"Lady Pilot" wrote in message
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OzOne wrote:

Call me a braggard ...but...


NO WAY! I just read a thread where you were *humble*.

How could they both be truth?

er, I should have stated "true"...lest Dave or others correct my grammer..
;-)

LP

OzOne wrote:
Call me a braggard ...but...
We won a heat of an Oz champs in dinghys in conditions that built
quickly from around 25 at the start to 35+ after only a few minutes.
It was hard work but managable..we were a full leg ahead by the top
mark the second time..carried a kite on both downwind legs then backed
off and cruised to victory.

Sounds like a lot of fun. How did you get so far ahead? Were you worried
about anything breaking? I've had that happen.

In our case, it was simply time in the boat. I had spent probably 3X as
much time sailing that particular boat than any of the others, and had a
much better sense of when to pinch and when to foot in the chop. The
others learned fast though.

It's always fun to arrive at the top mark in a big breeze and see who
goes to work and who starts worrying. Most of the time I just go for it,
but once in a while in the Lightning we said "Let's wait and not set
the spinnaker until the traffic thins out after some of the others have
capsized."

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Navigator wrote:
Sure, in your dreams.

You're calling me a liar, yet again? You don't ever learn.


40+ gust - 27 steady
33+ av - 50+ peak
35 av (a full gale) - 52 gusts.

Oh right, wind patterns are *always* exactly the same, even in different
hemispheres... aren't they?


I maintain, at 35 knt wind speed a dinghy is out of the range of
managability. Anyone who says otherwise has either never sailed in such
winds or is a braggard.

Like Oz1?

Sorry, you just plain don't know what you're talking about. Since you've
always insulted dinghy sailing, how can you now claim to be an expert on it?


Just as a matter of record, Doug what is your club policy on wind
strength for abandoning dinghy races?

One club I used to belong to had a policy of cancelling in "sustained
winds" over 25 knots. The College of Charleston sailing club will not
start a race with measured winds over 30 (I think this is on their web
site). The club I have done most of my sailing with the past few years
doesn't have a policy... but if the race committee has to leave station
to go rescue boats, then obviously the race cannot be scored.

The races I was referring to earlier were on Sarasota Bay. I don't know
what their club policy might be, but it looked like they were holding
races as long as anybody was out there running the course.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

OzOne wrote:
Call me a braggard ...but...


Lady Pilot wrote
NO WAY! I just read a thread where you were *humble*.

How could they both be truth?

He comes from humble origins but has now risen to undeniable greatness.

"If'n you can really do it, it ain't braggin'"

DSK

OzOne wrote:
We got so far ahead by having totally superior boatspeed in the
conditions and making absolutely no mistakes.
We did it again on the next two races and totally demoralised the
fleet by the 4th race of a 7 race series...Yep, it was fun :-)

Sounds like a great reward for a lot of hard work.


We'd built a brand new boat for this series using everything we'd
learned on the 3 others of the preceding seasons. Used some
innovations that became de rigeur later.

So you built the boat from scratch? Was this the Skate? What were the
innovations?

... We were totally confident in
the ability of the boat to handle anything we demanded of it and
maintained it to perfection. It was a great few years.

I've never built a boat from scratch but have reworked & refurbished a
number of old one-designs. First, the hull has to be solid & light. It's
amazing how many older small fiberglass boats oilcan like crazy, plus
are a few pounds overweight.

One thing I like about the JY-15s is that they are mostly new and very
strong. Racing some other older boats, it was a contest to see if my
work was strong enough for the heavy days, or if the old unfixed stuff
would break faster than I could fix it.


WE usually flew a kite at every opportunity and used it to put huge
pressure on boats in front in fresh stuff. They knew they had to go
for it to stay in front because we would definately fly it.
Often we didn't need to as they had gone for it when we had already
decided that we wouldn't try it on unless they managed to survive the
first hundred metres or so.

I was crew and the skipper, I regard as absolutely without peer in the
fresh.

Nothing like a good set of reflexes attuned to the particular boat.

I had a steady crew through college and a few years after... he was a
great guy and could concentrate totally on the race like few people I've
sailed with. Our on board racing conversations were usually a "yes" or
"no" and perhaps "got it" or "let's go." Since then I usually have a
bunch of newbies, or in the Lightning we have a nearly-newbie friend and
my wife (excellent crew but not interested in racing any more). It's a
big help when you have somebody to work with who is committed & skilled.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Doug doesn't believe in modesty for modest ability.

Cheers

OzOne wrote:

On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 08:22:42 -0400, DSK
scribbled thusly:


OzOne wrote:

Call me a braggard ...but...


Lady Pilot wrote
NO WAY! I just read a thread where you were *humble*.

How could they both be truth?

He comes from humble origins but has now risen to undeniable greatness.

"If'n you can really do it, it ain't braggin'"

DSK


Yeah, it is :-)


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

SDo youi prove my point. Over 35 knots average dinghies are outside the
range of managability 'cos thats why the races are canecelled. You still
don't understand?

DSK wrote:

Navigator wrote:

Sure, in your dreams.


You're calling me a liar, yet again? You don't ever learn.


40+ gust - 27 steady
33+ av - 50+ peak
35 av (a full gale) - 52 gusts.


Oh right, wind patterns are *always* exactly the same, even in different
hemispheres... aren't they?

No, that's a met. service observation, true world wide. The gusts are
generally up to 1.5 times windspeed. A real sailor knows this.



I maintain, at 35 knt wind speed a dinghy is out of the range of
managability. Anyone who says otherwise has either never sailed in
such winds or is a braggard.


Like Oz1?


Yep. Memory always exaggerates wind speed.


Just as a matter of record, Doug what is your club policy on wind
strength for abandoning dinghy races?


One club I used to belong to had a policy of cancelling in "sustained
winds" over 25 knots. The College of Charleston sailing club will not
start a race with measured winds over 30 (I think this is on their web
site). The club I have done most of my sailing with the past few years
doesn't have a policy... but if the race committee has to leave station
to go rescue boats, then obviously the race cannot be scored.


So you prove my point. Over 35 knots average, dinghies are
outside the range of managability and that's why the races are
cancelled. I've never heard of a race started in a full gale. As far as
I've experienced, force 7 is considered the point where the race
committee really starts to wonder whether to start a keel boat race and
looks hard at the Meteorology for the race period.

Cheers MC

Navigator wrote:
SDo youi prove my point. Over 35 knots average dinghies are outside the
range of managability 'cos thats why the races are canecelled.

Oh, now you want to add the qualifier "average" dinghies? I guess the
ones that keep sailing are above average? And the clubs that don't
cancel races, they also prove your point?

... You still
don't understand?

I don't understand why anybody would think you know diddly squat about
sailing.

DSK

DSK wrote:

Navigator wrote:

SDo youi prove my point. Over 35 knots average dinghies are outside
the range of managability 'cos thats why the races are canecelled.


Oh, now you want to add the qualifier "average" dinghies? I guess the
ones that keep sailing are above average? And the clubs that don't
cancel races, they also prove your point?

... You still don't understand?


I don't understand why anybody would think you know diddly squat about
sailing.


I'm suprised at your level of english comprehension.

It's the wind speed that's average, not the dinghies.

Checked up on what the likely gusts are at 35 kn average windspeed yet?

But at least now you know why they cancel races
Bwhahahahhahahaha

Cheers

DSK wrote:


I don't understand why anybody would think you know diddly squat about
sailing.


Of course you must be right, you're DSK!
Bwhahahhahahah

Cheers