I've sailed in 25 knot winds. Anyone who acts like
that is a walk in the park doesn't sail; they only talk about it.

The Veridican

huh? some damned fine sailing in 25 knots.

In a dinghy
you shouldn't go out at all (in 25 knot winds).

Olympic dinghy races (410's?, I don't keep up on racing) were once held in 35
knots and gusting.

I think your math needs a second look. 25 knots is roughly 29 mph.


You're right. So, my point is even more poignant.

The Veridican

Why is it poignant? Do you normally think of wind in MPH instead of knots? How
lubberly!



"Veridican" wrote in message
...
I think your math needs a second look. 25 knots is roughly 29 mph.


You're right. So, my point is even more poignant.

The Veridican

How Macish.


"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
Why is it poignant? Do you normally think of wind in MPH instead of
knots? How
lubberly!



"Veridican" wrote in message
...
I think your math needs a second look. 25 knots is roughly 29 mph.


You're right. So, my point is even more poignant.

The Veridican

Jeff Morris wrote:

Wow. Someone who just spent $32,000 claim they like the boat? What a surprise!
People with actual experience with the company don't think its that much of an
improvement. They must all be jealous.



And, you are suggesting that I speak with someone who hasn't sailed the
boat? Since no one on this ng has sailed the 26M, their opinions should
be given more weight than someone who has sailed the boat? No??? Then
who WOULD you accept as a reliable source? (To help you along, how
about: "those who are willing to bash the Mac decisively must, by
definition, know what they are talking about, even if they have never
even been near one." Is that about the size of it, Jeff?

Jim














You have a wonderful ability to rationalize, Jim. I suppose it makes life easy.


"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Jonathan Ganz wrote:


Yup. Now MacBoy has an unbiased opinion of a Mac ower turned
Hunter owner, who is definitely moving in the right direction.
So now MacBoy can *immediately* go sailing out on the ocean in
40kts wind. We'll all be waiting for your return... NOT.

I'm assuming that he was referring to the 26M model (the new boat?),
although it's not completely clear. As I understand the note, Ed didn't
actually sail the "new boat." So it's not really a very comprehensive
report, is it Johnathan?

By contrast, I happened to have had an extended discussion of the 26M
with an owner yesterday WHO HAD SAILED THE BOAT, under high wind and low
wind conditions. He was very pleased with its handling, and in contrast
with Ed, he thought the looks and interior of the boat were spectacular,
particularly for a boat in this price range. One thing I notice from
comments posted on the Mac discussion groups is that owners of the new
model like the new boat, whereas owners of the previous (26X) model
defend their own boats and pick fault with the new model, despite the
fact that few of them have ever sailed one. And since there are many
more owners of the 26X than owners of the 26M, the X owners are
predominate.

Jim

Veridican wrote:

maybe I know a different class of sailors.

no big thing, really.


[ sailing close hauled in 46 mph winds]

No big thing? Different class of sailors? You don't sail. No one who sails,
says no big deal to pert near gale force winds. You would have been more
believable if you had at least said you reefed and rolled in the jib, but you
don't know enough about sailing to put that into your lie, do you?

The Veridican

Maybe he owns a 100-foot ketch with a crew of 15 to help him reef it in.
You are right that in the real world, most of us wouldn't choose to
sail in such conditions if we had a choice.

Jim

On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 21:23:52 -0400, "Scott Vernon"
wrote:

How Macish.

How true It is a bit surprising how the Mac advertising seems to
assume that Mac prospective customers don't understand the concept of
knots. Nice of Verdican to prove them right


"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
Why is it poignant? Do you normally think of wind in MPH instead of
knots? How
lubberly!



"Veridican" wrote in message
...
I think your math needs a second look. 25 knots is roughly 29 mph.


You're right. So, my point is even more poignant.

The Veridican

Being able to right a boat is sailing 101. Everyone that sails a dink
should be able to right the boat they sail. And they should be left
alone and given the time and space to do it.


This is true. Also people should know how to lie-to (lay to?), and reef without
tipping over.
The Veridican
"Believe that truth is in the world when those who can see it follow it."

They've never tried to hide the fact that their boat is for beginners, in
fact they relish it.

Scotty

"felton" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 21:23:52 -0400, "Scott Vernon"
wrote:

How Macish.

How true It is a bit surprising how the Mac advertising seems to
assume that Mac prospective customers don't understand the concept of
knots. Nice of Verdican to prove them right


"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
Why is it poignant? Do you normally think of wind in MPH instead of
knots? How
lubberly!



"Veridican" wrote in message
...
I think your math needs a second look. 25 knots is roughly 29 mph.


You're right. So, my point is even more poignant.

The Veridican