Spirt is something you can feel, sometimes if your lucky see.

Yes, the other "refuge" of religious folk; that they are somehow special,
"touched by divinity."
Everyone dreams of have special powers when they are young. The sad part is
that most never truly grow up. Enjoy your "spirit" or "sprit" or whatever.
Yikes.

RB

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
He, on the
other hand, attacks me.

If I had realised that you suffered from a "victim" mentality, then I
would
have ignored you completely.

Donal, we can discuss beliefs without taking it to a personal level. I
respect
you for two reasons: 1-You sail.

Hah!! You do have faith!


2- You seem to have a sense of humor. There's
really very little else I can tell from what's written here, but in this
group
you MUST have those two items to survive.
Ultimately, I believe that the key reason people continue to believe in
god is
because they are unable to cope with the idea of dying; of not being.

I disagree. If you look at my posts, you will see that my views have a
scientific base. I would ask that you consider my original question - and
also my three options regarding the origins of the Universe.



The
control commanded by various religions is totally based on a promised
"quality
of afterlife." Meanwhile, our biology and real world efforts are clearly
geared
to the reality of a final and complete end.
If that seems sad, consider that many wonderful things (Roses, sunsets,
the
life of a beloved dog) all end quickly, making them all the more special.
We
need not invent a heaven for them, or ourselves.

Once again, I invite you to highlight *anything* in my posts that could be
deemed "unscientific".

I don't have blind faith. I've worked it out.

Regards


Donal
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I wish I could bottle it and sell it.

You can. What your described is exactly what can be felt through a wide variety
of drugs. And it's repeatable. It all takes place in your own head and not from
some external force...just like the "tunnel of light" dying folks claim to see.

RB

(Bobsprit) wrote in message ...
It's easy to see why religion kills so many.

It's easier to see why ignorance kills more.

Since more people have been driven to kill over religion, perhaps you'd
explain?

Because the largest groups of people on earth were members of
religions.

Religion IS ignorance. It preaches to abandon other ideas and belief
systems.

It's not religion persay. It is the interperters that use religion as
a tool to get,instead of give. It is a very ripe place to prey on the
meek and needy.
Guess that is why that Jesus guy was so well thought of. He was always
giving and seems to truly care. Love is above all giving of one self.


Thou who believeth in me must close thy mind forever!

Nonsence, unless your a brainwashed spineless sheep.


RB

Joe

Quick question: Do you have feelings of love for your wife?

If so... using science tell me about love?


Love, anger, hate...all are being traced and slowly understood and very complex
electro-chemical responses. Sorry, this is already pretty well established
fact. External stimuli are factors, but there are no special spirits involved.

RB

Oh boy. Did you get your boat in the water and sailing?

Are you the only person who doesn't know?

Scotty posted that he had not sailed his boat yet. Did you miss that post?

RB

Since more people have been driven to kill over religion, perhaps you'd
explain?

Because the largest groups of people on earth were members of
religions.

And specific belief systems were used to drive the hate mechanism. More good
work from god.

RB

It's not religion persay. It is the interperters that use religion as
a tool to get,instead of give.

God created the interpreters. Can't he do anything right?

RB

Guess that is why that Jesus guy was so well thought of. He was always
giving and seems to truly care.

You met this Jesus guy. 25 years after Elvis death, and no one can even agree
on how he died, what he ate or even if he's actually dead! And that's with
todays much more advanced record keeping and media. But you KNOW Jesus was a
caring fellow.
Oh, okay.

RB

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
As I pointed out, reigious folk tend to seek out a
dangerous and hurtful position.



That comment is hurtful!

But it's an honest observation. Religious people do one of the following
when
questioned about their faith:
1) They kill

Nonsense!

2) They attempt to belittle the independent thinker, attempting to kill
the
idea.

Rubbish!

3) They shun the person.



4) They try to force their ideas on the person.
I'm not saying you do these things, though your posts indicate that you
might.

Tsk. Tsk. (with acknowledgements to Wally)


The true moral highground is not tolerance, it's wholehearted acceptance.

You're absolutely correct!

Some
of my best friends are religious.

Uh oh! That sounds like "Some of my best friends are black"!!!!

We've gently exchanged ideas and philosophy
and moved on. If I'm right about it all, I'll never get to say "told ya
so."

Of course. You're not that kind of guy, are you?


If
I'm wrong, maybe god will explain why his "creation" is so poorly crafted.
If
the Rages of Injustice equal power in heaven, I'll have his job...and one
"hell" of a sailboat.....A Swan 40 with the interior of a Swan 100
perhaps.


Ahhh! You make the mistake of thinking that mankind is important in the
eyes of God. Why would we be?

Regards


Donal
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