It's the futility of academics.


Academics, even without resolution, can always build brain power and improve
life.

RB

I think you are overlooking one of the prime reasons for the
establishment of organized religion from the earliest times.

Simply put; The need to establish a higher authority on which to hang
and enforce the rules for living in organized societies. The
establishment of which was far more efficiently done with a priestly
class as opposed to a standing army.

On 21 May 2004 02:40:23 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote:

Don't mean to be insulting, but you sound like you don't
know, and you really don't give a damn.


Wrong. I care, but I also see the problem as unsolvable. I'm sure not taking
anyone's word for it. And that's all god is, a belief passed on through
generations. Pretty much how Voodoo survived into modern times. Still, I can't
prove there's no god to my satisfaction, so the possibility exists however
remote. An Athiest is certain that there is no god which is in itself a type of
close minded faith as narrow as any other.

Agnostic - a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is
unknown and prob. unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing
in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god -open to
consideration, discussion and so on.

RB

"Joe" wrote
There arises in all of us, of any culture, universal feelings of right and
wrong.

Wrong! There is no *universal* feeling of right and wrong. You believe there
is because you are ignorant of other cultures but the very notion that there
is "right" and "wrong" is the poison of Eve's Apple. Is it OK for me to
murder you and your family? It is if I'm a radical Muslim and you're a
heretic who believes in democracy and thinks men should make laws instead of
obeying the god-given sharia (sp?). The Taliban executed women for learning
to read, believing they followed YHWH's orders. It's also OK if you're a bit
odd. After all the "good" people of Salem who executed people for witchcraft
were fighting evil and, like serial killers and child molesters, show no
remorse. Are Michael Jackson's relations with young boys good or bad? Nazis
thought they were doing "the right thing" and, as we speak, Israel is doing
the same "right thing" to the indigineous Palistinians.

Where did we get this sense of wrongness Blobster?

From parents and peers whilst growing up from infanthood, Joe. That's why no
sense of wrongness agrees. Sheeple are all worked up over "torture" in
Iraqui prisons because they grew up wimpy; but I have yet to see anything
worse than a frat initiation cuz my peers thot it great sport to pour gas
down somebody's crack and light it off. OTOH I'm appalled by GW's ban on
medical research - 1000s doomed to die of diabetes and heart disease, or to
live out their lives as parapheligics just because some idiots sense of
wrongness says stem cell research is evil.

...... Our conscience can best be explained by a loving
Creator who cares about the decisions and harmony of humanity.

You're joking! Christians, Jews and Muslims all worship the same god, the
joker who conned Abraham into mutilating his penis, yet they murder each
other daily. If we pulled out of Iraq today the Shia majority would butcher
the Sunni minority for it's sins, just like Christians and Muslims did when
the "godless communists" pulled out of Yugoslavia! Same with Catholics and
Protestants in Ireland. So much for your god-given sense of right and wrong.
There is a documentary movie named "Marjo" that you really should see.

"EdGordonRN" wrote

An historical Jesus is irrelevant. What we have are the Gospels: Matthew,
Mark,
Luke, John and I suggest Thomas. We consider the truth of these documents
and
they either change us into Christ or they don't. What Jesus was as a human
is
irrelevant; whether or not you transform into Christ is all that matters.

YES!! You're right! These "documents" can change one into an irrelevent
figure!

topspam (EdGordonRN) wrote in message ...
Ed & Lil Stevie support the murder of americans going to work.

Amazing. Just amazing.

Ed, you said it was "justified". Amazing.

Horvath wrote:

Lake Erie is the Southernmost, and warmest of the Great Lakes. There
are some nice beaches on Lake Superior, but you can't swim there. The
water temperature at my end of Lake Erie exceeds 80 degrees in the
summertime, making swimming a pleasure.

And it's fresh water, pure enough to drink.

After you, sir. By all means, after you.

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katysails wrote:

....Lake
Michigan beaches are infinitely more superior in every way...and we don't
have big old dead sheephead washing up all over the beach, either.

Ever been to Gary? Might change your mind...


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Walt asked: Ever been to Gary? Might change your mind...

Gary is far to the south of us...except for the air pollution, the water
part goes down the Mississippi to visit Joe....

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"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

"Vito" wrote in message ...
"Joe" wrote
There arises in all of us, of any culture, universal feelings of right and
wrong.

Wrong! There is no *universal* feeling of right and wrong.

Yes there is. It is often overridden by many things. But it is there.

You believe there
is because you are ignorant of other cultures but the very notion that there
is "right" and "wrong" is the poison of Eve's Apple.

BS

Is it OK for me to
murder you and your family? It is if I'm a radical Muslim and you're a
heretic who believes in democracy and thinks men should make laws instead of
obeying the god-given sharia (sp?).

Whatever, If you did your just suckin up to your radical Muslim
friends, not following your sence of whats right or wrong.

The Taliban executed women for learning
to read, believing they followed YHWH's orders. It's also OK if you're a bit
odd. After all the "good" people of Salem who executed people for witchcraft
were fighting evil and, like serial killers and child molesters, show no
remorse. Are Michael Jackson's relations with young boys good or bad? Nazis
thought they were doing "the right thing" and, as we speak, Israel is doing
the same "right thing" to the indigineous Palistinians.

Yelp...... the way people act sometimes is sick. And I think they
know what they are doing in most cases. Take out all the politics,
overriding hate, revenge and the mental cases and talk to the average
earthling you will find most people know what is right and wrong and
act decent.

Where did we get this sense of wrongness Blobster?

From parents and peers whilst growing up from infanthood, Joe. That's why no
sense of wrongness agrees.

degree of wrongness ?


1000s doomed to die of diabetes and heart disease, or to
live out their lives as parapheligics just because some idiots sense of
wrongness says stem cell research is evil.

Politics. I have no ideal if its right or wrong. Guess that has to do
with how
the get the stem cell. If you can get them without harm, then its
great.

So much for your god-given sense of right and wrong.

There is a documentary movie named "Marjo" that you really should see.

Seen it, I liked Elmer Gantry better.

Joe

On Thu, 20 May 2004 22:28:35 -0400, "katysails"
wrote this crap:

Walt declared: You're even more delusional than I thought

Absolutely. The sand on the beaches down by Sandusky is dark and looks more
like road grade sand than beach sand...On the other hand, our sand on Lake
Michigan is pristine and white and has a very fine grain comparably....Lake
Michigan beaches are infinitely more superior in every way...and we don't
have big old dead sheephead washing up all over the beach, either.


The water in Lake Michigan is cold.




Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!