3) It was created in a single event which resulted in equal amounts of
"matter" and "anti-matter".

Are you talking about god or Gene Rodenberry? Does the bible mention anything
about warp drive? I know it tries to take credit for everything.

RB

Bobsprit wrote:

People once believed with all certainly that the world was
flat, just as you believe in a mythical being, just as some folks
believe in ghosts.

I would include faith in the truth of the causality hypothesis. Virtually
everybody has faith - it's a question of what one has faith in.


--
Wally
www.forthsailing.com
www.wally.myby.co.uk

Let me guess! You are sooooo shallow that you don't subscribe to any
of the above theories???

Tsk, tsk.

Wally, I'm impressed. Quite a reasonable response, but faith does not allow
reason.

RB

Virtually
everybody has faith - it's a question of what one has faith in.

I have no faith in anything, Wally. It's a dangerous term. But then you could
say I have faith in my lack of faith.
You'll note that I'm attacking Donal's belief system, but not Donal. He, on the
other hand, attacks me. As I pointed out, reigious folk tend to seek out a
dangerous and hurtful position.

RB

RB

Bobsprit wrote:

I have no faith in anything, Wally. It's a dangerous term. But then
you could say I have faith in my lack of faith.

I can go with what you're saying - I see the causality hypothesis as a
description with a high level of consistency with observation. Use of it
amounts to little more than a gamble.


You'll note that I'm attacking Donal's belief system, but not Donal.
He, on the other hand, attacks me. As I pointed out, reigious folk
tend to seek out a dangerous and hurtful position.

My allusion in my previous post was that, whatever one has faith in, having
that faith would seem a personal or individual thing, such that trying to
get someone else to share that faith is a pointless excercise unless they're
already so disposed.


--
Wally
www.forthsailing.com
www.wally.myby.co.uk

Wally wrote:
Donal wrote:


How did the Universe come into existence?


I have never heard any answer to that question that isn't predicated on
assumption.



Faith is the only option that is available to the enquiring mind.


Agreed - faith that whatever assumptions one makes are true.



If your small mind is capable of considering the origins of the
Universe, then you will realise that there are only three options.

1) God created it.


Not only does this presuppose that there was a god to do the creating, it
begs the quesiton of how he came into existence. If one is to claim that he
has always existed, then Occam's Razor would suggest that there is no need
to invoke a creator that has always existed, when a universe that has always
existed will do just as well.



If the universe contains everything then God is a self made
man/woman/thing. A bit like the american dream really.

Cheers

Are you talking about dark energy or matter?

Cheers

Bobsprit wrote:

3) It was created in a single event which resulted in equal amounts of
"matter" and "anti-matter".


Which option do you believe in?

Bwahaahaha! Pretty funny, Donal. I'm smart enough to not simply blindly except
what some clown tells me. "God" was taught to you, just as it was taught to me.
The difference is, I had the strength of character to question it. I'm not a
sheep and I know that a lack of facts should not invite mumbo jumbo, voodoo or
aliens.
I'm off to meet Elvis on the Death Star now. E-mail me there!

RB

With that point of view, you're sure to remain a pathetic loser.


Why, Dave, because I don't spend my life chasing money? A person is a winner or
loser based on their bank account, right? You see, this is what I mean by the
wealthy having a major handicap.

Faith IS blind trust, regardless of your other comments. You've never been
touched by a spirit, though you may actually believe that.
It's easy to see why religion kills so many.

Faith is a funny thing. It's not what most people think it is. It's not
synonymous with believing. It's something altogether different. Jesus says that
the amount of faith is irrelevant and any faith can literally change the
physical world. I think faith is more like when you're in a dream, and you
think you can fly and so you start to fly. I think faith has more to do with
understanding the "unreality" of the physical universe then it does with
believing something. IMHO

bob**** puts all his faith in his dock lines.

Scotty

"Wally" wrote in message
...
Bobsprit wrote:

People once believed with all certainly that the world was
flat, just as you believe in a mythical being, just as some folks
believe in ghosts.

I would include faith in the truth of the causality hypothesis. Virtually
everybody has faith - it's a question of what one has faith in.


--
Wally
www.forthsailing.com
www.wally.myby.co.uk