"Dave" wrote
Doug, that chestnut's been kicking around for 23 years and will probably
be
kicking around for another 20 among the conspiracy theorists of the left.
.....

Left? I voted against JFK. I was a card-carrying Republican having worked
for Goldwater and helped Nixon get elected twice. My job gave me insights
into military intelligence and, since So American hot spots were closer to
my folks in So Cal than I was in DC, I contributed $$ and time to Contra and
other anti-communist organizations.

Remember the Shaw? He'd bought a $jillion worth of US weapon systems in
case he had to fight Iraq. Questioned on national TV, he put the blame for
the first gas shortage squarely on the US, Brit and Dutch oil cartel vs
OPEC. Nixon's people called his remarks "unfortunate" and "irresponsible"
but not false and within months the Shaw was overthrown then, like Ruby,
dead of cancer. Point is the CIA giveth and the CIA taketh away in those
pre-carter days and it was CIA who let the Ayatollah in. No doubt they
reminded him of his debt from time to time. So why did it take RR to get
the hostages back? You tell me.

Like many loyal Republicans, I was appalled when Reagan pulled the right
wing rug out from under Ford to assure a Carter victory because he knew he'd
be too sick if he had to wait thru 8 years of Ford to run. Four years later
he cut the deal with Iran and paid them off through a mid-east arms dealer
who made billions. Casey and Ollie leaned on that dealer to divert some of
his profits to the Contras. That's why Democrats were on Iran-Contra like
bull dogs - if Ollie had rolled over they prolly could have impeached RR, or
at least tried.

Of course everybody, especially Casey's kids, kept careful diaries of these
events which they donated to libraries and are now available to you and I on
the internet - right? So I otta be able to prove this "left wing theory"
right? Ok, but first lets talk about some Florida land and a bridge I'd like
to sell you (c:

DSK wrote in message . ..
"Vito" said:
Reagan bribed Iran to keep the US Embassy
hostages in prison long enough to embarass Carter then illegally paid them
off with embargoed military goodies.


Dave wrote:
Look out for those black helicopters.

It's true, Reagan did negotiate with Iran to keep the hostages through
the 1980 election.

Here is my take of the conversation and events. I was pert near the
center of the action in Iran at the time.

Atoyolla Komanie(sp? but who cares) said: Lets keep them tied up and
force the filthy heathen dog to pay to release them.

Carter: Well I could try another half assed assault with our wore out
equipment and we could make a last ditch effort to free them maybe.

Election day comes and the Gipper is elected.

Regans call to Ayatolla Komanie: Listen here you *^#$!% rag head, you
cut em lose today or Im going to send in the 1 calvery backed by a
dozen B-52 and a couple 100 tomahawk missles. I guarrenty Im going to
make sure we kill you after we kill 100 of your followers for every
hostage that even has a scratch on a finger, do you understand you
flea infested camel jockey?

Next day the hostages were set free.

Reagan knew how to make a deal IMO :0)

Joe







It's been admitted by several Reagan cabinet members
and is mentioned in official Iran history (although you might note that
they don't seem to be proud of it).

http://www.iranchamber.com/history/a..._iraq_war1.php

DSK

On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:26:40 -0700, Joe wrote:


Election day comes and the Gipper is elected.

Regans call to Ayatolla Komanie: Listen here you *^#$!% rag head, you cut
em lose today or Im going to send in the 1 calvery backed by a dozen B-52
and a couple 100 tomahawk missles. I guarrenty Im going to make sure we
kill you after we kill 100 of your followers for every hostage that even
has a scratch on a finger, do you understand you flea infested camel
jockey?

Next day the hostages were set free.

A couple of problems with your take, the hostages were not set free the
next day, the hostages were set free 15 minutes after Reagan was
inaugurated. Just when was this call supposed to be made? Secondly, the
arms shipments began a few weeks later. Why would we reward a country
that had just held 52 hostages 444 days?

Reagan knew how to make a deal IMO :0)

Yeah, right, Reagan (more likely Casey) knew how to make a deal alright,
but it wasn't the deal you're referring to.

Now I know why he lost. :-)

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"Dave" wrote in message
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On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 11:14:13 -0400, "Vito" said:

Left? I voted against JFK. I was a card-carrying Republican having worked
for Goldwater and helped Nixon get elected twice.

Back when I was young and foolish I worked in McGovern's NH primary
campaign.

So I otta be able to prove this "left wing theory"
right? Ok, but first lets talk about some Florida land and a bridge I'd
like
to sell you (c:

Hear those beating helicopter blades outside?



Dave
S/V Good Fortune
CS27

Who goes duck hunting with Jamie Gorelick?

Dave, you are either way too thin-skinned or just stupid. I was
making a joke. If you worked for McG, then I can now for sure
understand why he lost.

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"Dave" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 13:57:54 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
said:

Now I know why he lost. :-)

I take it you were too young or too inattentive to pay any attention to
the
1972 primaries. Else you would not advertise your ignorance with such a
foolish statement.


Dave
S/V Good Fortune
CS27

Who goes duck hunting with Jamie Gorelick?

"Dave" wrote

Hear those beating helicopter blades outside?

Sure do Dave! Every day. I even get to see heavily armed men parachute out
of helo's' only yards overhead, practicing to kill people. Almost got to try
it but they found out I'm old. I used to hear 16 inch rifles firing but now
settle for rapid fire 5 inch and 90mm guns. I work on a Navy base and
Marines, SEALS and SWAT FBI fly over my house on their way to woodland
training exercises.

thunder wrote in message ...
On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:26:40 -0700, Joe wrote:


Election day comes and the Gipper is elected.

Regans call to Ayatolla Komanie: Listen here you *^#$!% rag head, you cut
em lose today or Im going to send in the 1 calvery backed by a dozen B-52
and a couple 100 tomahawk missles. I guarrenty Im going to make sure we
kill you after we kill 100 of your followers for every hostage that even
has a scratch on a finger, do you understand you flea infested camel
jockey?

Next day the hostages were set free.

A couple of problems with your take, the hostages were not set free the
next day, the hostages were set free 15 minutes after Reagan was
inaugurated. Just when was this call supposed to be made?

Legend is....He made the call first thing after he left the podium
from the swearing in ceramony. It was the number 1 pressing issue in
the USA at the time.



Secondly, the
arms shipments began a few weeks later. Why would we reward a country
that had just held 52 hostages 444 days?


Well it goes back to the trader days on the silk route thru the middle
east. The are very skilled people in bartering and have a keen skill
in the art of negotiating. Ronald by heart was a Texan, but the sad
fact was he lived in California. Had he been a true Texas he would not
of bartered with dogs, no matter how big a palace they live in. Not
saying what he did was wrong looking at the big picture at the time.

Thats one of the reasons I like Bush as president. It's been a tough
hard road the last few years, and he's still stickin to his guns.

BTW I just heard 8 out of the 10 suicide murders on the planes in NY
on 9/11 passed thru Iran on the way to Canada. Coming out in the 911
commissions reports


Joe

Reagan knew how to make a deal IMO :0)

Yeah, right, Reagan (more likely Casey) knew how to make a deal alright,
but it wasn't the deal you're referring to.

Clearly, Iran is next on the hit list. Too bad, I placed my
bets on Syria. Maybe we could do both?

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"Joe" wrote in message
om...
thunder wrote in message
...
On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:26:40 -0700, Joe wrote:


Election day comes and the Gipper is elected.

Regans call to Ayatolla Komanie: Listen here you *^#$!% rag head, you
cut
em lose today or Im going to send in the 1 calvery backed by a dozen
B-52
and a couple 100 tomahawk missles. I guarrenty Im going to make sure
we
kill you after we kill 100 of your followers for every hostage that
even
has a scratch on a finger, do you understand you flea infested camel
jockey?

Next day the hostages were set free.

A couple of problems with your take, the hostages were not set free the
next day, the hostages were set free 15 minutes after Reagan was
inaugurated. Just when was this call supposed to be made?

Legend is....He made the call first thing after he left the podium
from the swearing in ceramony. It was the number 1 pressing issue in
the USA at the time.



Secondly, the
arms shipments began a few weeks later. Why would we reward a country
that had just held 52 hostages 444 days?


Well it goes back to the trader days on the silk route thru the middle
east. The are very skilled people in bartering and have a keen skill
in the art of negotiating. Ronald by heart was a Texan, but the sad
fact was he lived in California. Had he been a true Texas he would not
of bartered with dogs, no matter how big a palace they live in. Not
saying what he did was wrong looking at the big picture at the time.

Thats one of the reasons I like Bush as president. It's been a tough
hard road the last few years, and he's still stickin to his guns.

BTW I just heard 8 out of the 10 suicide murders on the planes in NY
on 9/11 passed thru Iran on the way to Canada. Coming out in the 911
commissions reports


Joe

Reagan knew how to make a deal IMO :0)

Yeah, right, Reagan (more likely Casey) knew how to make a deal alright,
but it wasn't the deal you're referring to.

Election day comes and the Gipper is elected.

Regans call to Ayatolla Komanie: Listen here you *^#$!% rag head, you cut
em lose today or Im going to send in the 1 calvery backed by a dozen B-52
and a couple 100 tomahawk missles. I guarrenty Im going to make sure we
kill you after we kill 100 of your followers for every hostage that even
has a scratch on a finger, do you understand you flea infested camel
jockey?

Next day the hostages were set free.

Umm.. problem...
1- Tomahawk missiles weren't invented yet
2- Without prepositioned forces (which Carter did some, but not anywhere
near enough to support such an attack) it would be a totally empty
threat, which the Iranians would know quite well
3- for a President to threaten war in such a manner would be a greivous
violation of the Constitution.

Clearly you think it's cool to just kill lots of people with no reason.
So tell me, what seperates you from the average terrorist?

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message

| Clearly you think it's cool to just kill lots of people with no reason.
| So tell me, what seperates you from the average terrorist?

He's wearing a Cowboy Hat?? ;-)

CM