"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
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| Gee, Mooron is my hero. He knows a lot about boats. He hates Macs and
| Hunters.

If I didn't know any better... I'd swear there was a hint of sarcasm in your
statement.

CM

Loco, sarcasm?????? nah....

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"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
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"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
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| Gee, Mooron is my hero. He knows a lot about boats. He hates Macs and
| Hunters.

If I didn't know any better... I'd swear there was a hint of sarcasm in
your
statement.

CM

Capt. Mooron wrote:
"Jim Cate" wrote in message

| Really, Mooron? And how many hours have you spend sailing the Mac 26M?
| None? Then maybe you are full of it when you spout your usual BS
| concerning the Mac 26M.

Are you related to Loco by any chance?? Or are you telling me that because
the "M" is a different 'model' it miraculously evolves into a dream boat????

| Once more, Moron, have you sailed the Mac 26M on ANY occasion? No? -
| Interesting.

Sailed a Mac 19 Power Sailor, a Mac26X.... both of them CRAP! You suddenly
believe that changing the X to an M makes radical performance changes to a
vessel?
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Mooron,

You may have a pilot's license, and a captain's license, and you may
have crossed the Atlantic and/or the Pacific, or whatever, but you still
don't understand even the most basic, elementary principles of logic
and evidence. Fyi, the Mac 26M is an entirely new boat incorporating a
totally different hull design, a pivotable mast, and a dagger board,
NONE OF WHICH were used in the Mac 26X or 19.

Mooron, although it's evident that you think you're hot ****, the facts
are that you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground.

Jim

It's a piece of junk Jim. Everyone knows it except for a few haplass
buyers.

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
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Capt. Mooron wrote:
"Jim Cate" wrote in message

| Really, Mooron? And how many hours have you spend sailing the Mac 26M?
| None? Then maybe you are full of it when you spout your usual BS
| concerning the Mac 26M.

Are you related to Loco by any chance?? Or are you telling me that
because
the "M" is a different 'model' it miraculously evolves into a dream
boat????

| Once more, Moron, have you sailed the Mac 26M on ANY occasion? No? -
| Interesting.

Sailed a Mac 19 Power Sailor, a Mac26X.... both of them CRAP! You
suddenly
believe that changing the X to an M makes radical performance changes to
a
vessel?
----------------------------------------------------------------

Mooron,

You may have a pilot's license, and a captain's license, and you may
have crossed the Atlantic and/or the Pacific, or whatever, but you still
don't understand even the most basic, elementary principles of logic
and evidence. Fyi, the Mac 26M is an entirely new boat incorporating a
totally different hull design, a pivotable mast, and a dagger board,
NONE OF WHICH were used in the Mac 26X or 19.

Mooron, although it's evident that you think you're hot ****, the facts
are that you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground.

Jim

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

It's a piece of junk Jim. Everyone knows it except for a few haplass
buyers.


You're just jealous, Johnathan. The supply is very limited, and only a
few, fortunate sailors have been able to get one of the 26M's.

Jim

On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 15:15:15 -0500, Jim Cate wrote:



Jonathan Ganz wrote:

It's a piece of junk Jim. Everyone knows it except for a few haplass
buyers.


You're just jealous, Johnathan. The supply is very limited, and only a
few, fortunate sailors have been able to get one of the 26M's.

Jim

Thanks They say laughing is good for the blood pressure

Hahahahaa... sure..whatever you say little boy.

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Jonathan Ganz wrote:

It's a piece of junk Jim. Everyone knows it except for a few haplass
buyers.


You're just jealous, Johnathan. The supply is very limited, and only a
few, fortunate sailors have been able to get one of the 26M's.

Jim

Jim Cate wrote:
... Fyi, the Mac 26M is an entirely new boat incorporating a
totally different hull design, a pivotable mast, and a dagger board,
NONE OF WHICH were used in the Mac 26X or 19.

Funny you should mention this. Just yesterday I happened to walk by a
Mac 26X and a Mac 26M parked on their trailers. Except that one was
painted blue, there was not an iota of difference in the hull design.

What is a "pivotable" mast? The rig of the Mac 26M appears to be very
similar to the X. It would be interesting to compare the rig dimensions
and the IJPE of each.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

DSK wrote:
Jim Cate wrote:

... Fyi, the Mac 26M is an entirely new boat incorporating a totally
different hull design, a pivotable mast, and a dagger board, NONE OF
WHICH were used in the Mac 26X or 19.


Funny you should mention this. Just yesterday I happened to walk by a
Mac 26X and a Mac 26M parked on their trailers. Except that one was
painted blue, there was not an iota of difference in the hull design.

What is a "pivotable" mast? The rig of the Mac 26M appears to be very
similar to the X. It would be interesting to compare the rig dimensions
and the IJPE of each.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Doug, I don't know where you were at the time, but this was discussed
over and over again, ad nauseum, a few months ago. One of the strings
exceeded 600 notes. The truth is that the 26M has a completely new
hull. Differences include the fact that:

A. The swing keel and the (200 gallon) longitudinal open cavity built
into the hull for receiving the keel (when the keel was retracted
upwardly into the slot) has been eliminated in the 26M, eliminating the
drag produced by the large open cavity.

B. The 26M incorporating a vertically retractable dagger-board instead
of a swing keel.

C. The hull of the 26M has a deep-V forward configuration for minimizing
pitch, particularly when motoring. Thus, the 26X had a much "flatter"
bow configuration.

D. The ballast of the 26X was exclusively water ballast, the water being
let into the ballast chamber prior to sailing the boat. The 26M has
a combination of water ballast and permanent ballast built into the hull.

E. The hull of the 26M has an additional layer of fiberglass, and over
100 additional pounds of resin; chain plates have been added, the
hull-to-deck joint has been modified, and the deck structure has been
modified for greater rigidity.

F. In the M, a traveler has been added for providing greater control
of the mainsheet.

G. The M has an axially rotatable mast, mounted on two sets of
bearings, permitting it to rotate with the luff of the mainsail.

H. Flotation has been added to upper sections of the mast to provide
further resistance to "turtleing." (This is in addition to the
righting forces provided by the water ballast and the permanent ballast.)

Both models incorporate the usual Mac features such as positive
flotation, trailerability, ability to move over very shallow water,
ability to be brought to the shore and beached, etc.


PLEASE NOTE: THE POINT OF THIS POST IS TO CLARIFY AGAIN THE FACT THAT
THE 26M AND 26X ARE NOT THE SAME BOAT, AND THAT THE 26M WAS NOT A MERE
COSMETIC MODEL CHANGE RELATIVE TO THE 26X. WHETHER OR NOT YOU PREFER THE
26X OR THE 26M, AND WHETHER OR NOT YOU WOULD PREFER EACH OF THE ABOVE
MODIFICATIONS, AND WHETHER OR NOT YOU WOULD EVER BE WILLING TO SAIL ON
ANY OF THE MACGREGORS, THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT THE TWO BOATS ARE
SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT.

Jim

"DSK" wrote in message

| Funny you should mention this. Just yesterday I happened to walk by a
| Mac 26X and a Mac 26M parked on their trailers. Except that one was
| painted blue, there was not an iota of difference in the hull design.
|
| What is a "pivotable" mast? The rig of the Mac 26M appears to be very
| similar to the X. It would be interesting to compare the rig dimensions
| and the IJPE of each.

Amazing! ;-)
Maybe they were different model years?

CM