"Jim Cate" wrote in message
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Really Jeff? Why don't you ask the contributors to this ng whether their
boats can be beached for picnics,

I have a dinghy for that.

float in one foot of water,

I need 3'.

trailered
down the coast to a desired sailing area hundreds of miles away, etc.

down, up, over to the left coast, anywhere I want.


Can you sail into an anchorage without being laughed at?

SV

Interesting. And how many of the contributors to this newsgroup would
you think own boats with positive flotation? - Maybe 20%? Or 10%? Or
Maybe five percent?

I owned a Merit 22 for 9 years that had positive foam flotation. Turned out
to be a help when it was hit by lightning one evening at the pier. It only
partially sank during the night.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

A few days ago I averaged over 9 knots for about 15 miles
under main alone..

Averaged! Wind speed?______

S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

Jim Cate wrote:

If you can point to errors in my notes, I'll accept that criticism.
Until then, however, you are just another of the "Moorons" who aren't
willing to put up or shut up.

Hey Jim... I have pointed out many of your errors and you seem very
hostile to new ideas...

As for "put up or shut up" I am not the one making ridiculous & false
claims about my boat because I fervently believe the advertising.

Oh well, everybody needs a hobby.

DSK

About 25 knots wind, broad reach. This was the middle part of a leg were we
did about 8.5, waypoint to waypoint.

Had the seas been flatter and the wind a bit closer we would have done a knot or
two better. With more sail we've held over 12 knots for extended reaches.
However, that was before we filled the boat with crap. Now things have to be
perfect to see 11 knots.



"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
...
A few days ago I averaged over 9 knots for about 15 miles
under main alone..

Averaged! Wind speed?______

S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

In article , Jim Cate
wrote:

DSK wrote:

Jim Cate wrote:

I suppose that you are right in one respect. - The MacGregor boats
have incorporated a long list of advantageous features not available
in most displacement boats, and the new Mac 26M carries that tradition
forward as did the earlier models.


You really are addicted to Macgregor advertising, aren't you?

If you can point to errors in my notes, I'll accept that criticism.
Until then, however, you are just another of the "Moorons" who aren't
willing to put up or shut up.



... The Macs were one of the first cruising sailboats to popularize
the use of water ballast, the advantages of which are so obvious that
their competitors (e.g., Hunter, Catalina) are now offering it also.


Except that the Mac 26X was so poorly designed that it needed to have
lead ballast added. My wife & I owned a water ballasted Hunter 19 for 10
years and it sailed fine... in fact we outsailed Mac 26Xs many times in
it, and a Mac 26M a couple of times.


Really? From other ngs, it seems that lots of owners still prefer the 26X.



... Further advantages include positive flotation (the boats actually
float, even if the hull is compromised.


Imagine that... I've been sailing boats with positive flotation since
about 1968.


Interesting. And how many of the contributors to this newsgroup would
you think own boats with positive flotation? - Maybe 20%? Or 10%? Or
Maybe five percent?





... Further advantages that are unique with respect to most of their
competition is the ability to "fly away" from the
"displacement-speed-barrier" that keeps most sailboats locked in their
place (unless they are surfing down a wave during a storm).


If that's true, then why is the Mac 26X and Mac 26M so slow under sail,
compared to other boats of similar size? You don't have to look ver far
at all to find 26' boats that will sail rings around it.


Where, and when, have you seen such races involving the 22M?



... Still further advantages include the ability to float in waters as
shallow as one foot, and to be beached for picnics, camping, etc.


Comes in very handy, but it's hardly unique to MacGregors. There are
quite a few centerboarders that can be beached, including some 40+ footers.



And, did I say it was "unique" to the MacGregors? What I said was that
they offered a package of advantageous features not often found in a
such a cruising sailboat. If you don't believe me, why not conduct a
poll of the contributors to this ng.


... A still further advantage is that they are trailerable,
permitting them to be conveniently relocated to a desired sailing area
hundreds of miles from their usual port.


Comes in handy as long as you have a behemoth SUV to tow it. We used a
minivan with a V-6 for our trailerable... got about 25 MPG with it. It
is nice to be able to cruise far waters on a short vacation.

With the water ballast removed, the boat weighs only 3,500 pounds. I
pull it with my 2002 Mercury sedan, which I also drive to work, to the
symphony, to the opera, etc.

But again, this is hardly unique to the Mac 26X or Mac 26M. If you knew
more than what Macgregor told you, you'd find that out.


Again, did I say that the Mac was "unique" in being trailerable? -
Perhaps you should read my notes a little more carefully. (And once
again, what percentage of those owned by contributors to this ng do you
think are trailerable?)

Boat I looked at the other day is. You need a prime mover and a wide
load permit, but it has its own trailer and is therefore trailerable.
39' LOD, 12' beam, 4'6" draft.

PDW

Jim Cate wrote
... what percentage of those owned by contributors to this ng do you
think are trailerable?)


I don't know. Check the roll call on the "Where Be Ye" thread. Anyway I
happen to own two, so I can loan somebody else one


Peter Wiley wrote:
Boat I looked at the other day is. You need a prime mover and a wide
load permit, but it has its own trailer and is therefore trailerable.
39' LOD, 12' beam, 4'6" draft.

Big trailer, I bet. Could you launch that at a local ramp?

Seriously what kind of boat? I thought you had too much fun playing with
OPBs.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

In article , DSK
wrote:

Jim Cate wrote
... what percentage of those owned by contributors to this ng do you
think are trailerable?)


I don't know. Check the roll call on the "Where Be Ye" thread. Anyway I
happen to own two, so I can loan somebody else one


Peter Wiley wrote:
Boat I looked at the other day is. You need a prime mover and a wide
load permit, but it has its own trailer and is therefore trailerable.
39' LOD, 12' beam, 4'6" draft.

Big trailer, I bet. Could you launch that at a local ramp?

The current owner does but the ramp's 400m from his place, uses a big
tractor to tow the trailer.

Seriously what kind of boat? I thought you had too much fun playing with
OPBs.

John Pugh Morning Mist 2 modified a little. Stern cabin centre cockpit
cutter rigged sloop with hard dodger - gets cold & rough down here.
Arguably closer to a motor-sailer than a sailboat with an aux. Just
looking ATM; the current owner built it but has got to the point where
his health isn't up to keeping it. It's been out of the water the last
3 years. No modern electronics etc which is a plus; nothing to go
wrong.

Actually I'd appreciate any info people have on this design; can't find
any web sites tho there have been quite a few John Pugh designs built.
There are a couple for sale on Boatpoint but in Qld. Long way from
home.

I do have fun playing with OPB but once I finish building my house I'll
have more discretionary time and after the bad fall I had this year,
I'm reconsidering some of my priorities. If I can pass my annual
fitness exam I'll had off southwest of Heard Is in December, loop down
to the continent and get back to Hobart in March. After that, who
knows.

PDW

DSK wrote:
Jim Cate wrote:


If you can point to errors in my notes, I'll accept that criticism.
Until then, however, you are just another of the "Moorons" who aren't
willing to put up or shut up.


Hey Jim... I have pointed out many of your errors and you seem very
hostile to new ideas...

As for "put up or shut up" I am not the one making ridiculous & false
claims about my boat because I fervently believe the advertising.

Really? And could you be just a little more specific? Like, if I posted
all those "ridiculous and false" claims, could you cite a few of them?
(And please quote my own words. - No paraphrases or caricatures.)

Jim

Capt. Mooron wrote:

"DSK" wrote in message

| Funny you should mention this. Just yesterday I happened to walk by a
| Mac 26X and a Mac 26M parked on their trailers. Except that one was
| painted blue, there was not an iota of difference in the hull design.
|
| What is a "pivotable" mast? The rig of the Mac 26M appears to be very
| similar to the X. It would be interesting to compare the rig dimensions
| and the IJPE of each.

Amazing! ;-)
Maybe they were different model years?

CM


Ha-ha-ha! Another of your brilliant, erudite essays, Mooron. - How
stupid can you get.

Jim