With the valiant exceptions of a few, notably Bart Senior, Thom and Katy
(and a few others so don't feel slighted I just picked on those of us who
have been around the longest) the majority of .asa has denigrated into a
pale and for the most part useless comparison of it's glory days. The
sailing content is vastly overshadowed by insipid political commentary which
in itself is of no merit. Bart does a good job of holding his finger in
the dike but I fear the dike has ceased to exist around his finger.
Especially when any thread is routinely hijacked by the fringe loonies who
vie for the unattainable goal 'group leadership?' It takes more than
quantity to be a leader especially in a free society (does the word
unmoderated ring a bell?) For the majority of the spam propaganda posts
it's just Neal wannabes. He knew when to push a button or ring chimes or
zing in a barbed conversation starting content but the majority of it was
always about sailing. And you ain't Neal. BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

Recuerde SFO!

M.

The key is read what you want and laugh at the putzes who are pretending to be
something they ain't.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

"Michael" wrote ...

With the valiant exceptions of a few, notably Bart Senior, Thom and
Katy
the majority of .asa has denigrated into a
pale and for the most part useless comparison of it's glory days.
Bart does a good job of holding his finger in
the dike but I fear the dike has ceased to exist around his finger.

You calling Katy a......., aww, better not go there.

Scotty

Michael wrote:
With the valiant exceptions of a few, notably Bart Senior, Thom and Katy
(and a few others so don't feel slighted I just picked on those of us who
have been around the longest) the majority of .asa has denigrated into a
pale and for the most part useless comparison of it's glory days.

Which "glory days" were those?

... The
sailing content is vastly overshadowed by insipid political commentary which
in itself is of no merit.

Actually there is more sailing content in this discussion group than
most others I've sampled.

.... Bart does a good job of holding his finger in
the dike

Not what I'd call a good choice of words there.


....It takes more than
quantity to be a leader especially in a free society

Yes, it does.


... For the majority of the spam propaganda posts
it's just Neal wannabes. He knew when to push a button or ring chimes or
zing in a barbed conversation starting content but the majority of it was
always about sailing.

Which ones were those? The ones where he bragged about imaginary
voyages, pontificated on Jaxxian laws of physics applied to sailing, or
the ones where he displayed total ignorance about common sailing
equipment & it's employment (for example, jib sheets).



... And you ain't Neal.

Thank goodness.

DSK

Doug,

The Crapton (Neal) was all those thing you've said BUT by God you
remembered them.

The group is pretty much a creation of his and without him we' re
struggling for a personality.

Michael seem to like Bart's way, I've kind of been following your lead.
Nutsy gets to much, "I am" into his style. We are in a state of change
right now. I'm hoping that after the Nov elections we will settle down
and re-develop a Style.

I have great faith in the un-monitored formate and a loose leadership,
with a sense of humor is needed.

Let's face it, we are a group of sailors in a Bull Session as in a Bar.
What we need is a Bartender as a leader

Ole Thom

I'm sorry, but this can't be accurate. Well, maybe it is... I mean
I just can't picture Bart holding his finger in a dyke.

In article ,
Michael wrote:
With the valiant exceptions of a few, notably Bart Senior, Thom and Katy
(and a few others so don't feel slighted I just picked on those of us who
have been around the longest) the majority of .asa has denigrated into a
pale and for the most part useless comparison of it's glory days. The
sailing content is vastly overshadowed by insipid political commentary which
in itself is of no merit. Bart does a good job of holding his finger in
the dike but I fear the dike has ceased to exist around his finger.
Especially when any thread is routinely hijacked by the fringe loonies who
vie for the unattainable goal 'group leadership?' It takes more than
quantity to be a leader especially in a free society (does the word
unmoderated ring a bell?) For the majority of the spam propaganda posts
it's just Neal wannabes. He knew when to push a button or ring chimes or
zing in a barbed conversation starting content but the majority of it was
always about sailing. And you ain't Neal. BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

Don't let the door hit you on the way out, but feel free to come back
any time you feel up to it.

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

Thom Stewart wrote:
The Crapton (Neal) was all those thing you've said BUT by God you
remembered them.

??? I remember the Mickey Mouse theme song too, but I wish I didn't.
There are lots of better things to expend brain cells on.



The group is pretty much a creation of his

???

I beg to differ. This newsgroup was around before the Crapton found it,
and it was much the same as it is now... sailing discussion on a wide
range of topics and lots of banter & blather.



Michael seem to like Bart's way, I've kind of been following your lead.
Nutsy gets to much, "I am" into his style. We are in a state of change
right now. I'm hoping that after the Nov elections we will settle down
and re-develop a Style.

I hope that after the November elections, whoever wins, the divisive
spirit will subside. I don't call other people traitors and do not
appreciate being called on myself.

It looks to me like some people mistake the insults & propaganda for the
issues, and for them, it will never subside. But maybe, they'll leave
the rest of us alone.



I have great faith in the un-monitored formate and a loose leadership,
with a sense of humor is needed.

Agreed.



Let's face it, we are a group of sailors in a Bull Session as in a Bar.
What we need is a Bartender as a leader

I dunno, this group is my favorite example of positivistic anarchy. OTOH
one of the things that keep it that way is that nobody here can do
anybody else any real harm, so those with malevolent intent can only
seethe & stew.

It would be nice to have Tadpole back more often, but OTOH maybe you
should appreciate Scout & Wally, both relative newcomers with something
to contribute... sense of humor too.

My advice is to ignore Boobsie more, and start a few sailing threads of
your own. That discussion of keels you got going some time ago was
great... encore!


Fresh Breezes- Doug King

In article ,
Thom Stewart wrote:
The Crapton (Neal) was all those thing you've said BUT by God you
remembered them.

True, but we also remember Hitler and Stalin.

The group is pretty much a creation of his and without him we' re
struggling for a personality.

Not really. Several of us were here long before he showed up.

Let's face it, we are a group of sailors in a Bull Session as in a Bar.
What we need is a Bartender as a leader

If we nominated you for bartender, could we trust you not to drink the
profits?
--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

"Michael" wrote in message ...
With the valiant exceptions of a few, notably Bart Senior, Thom and Katy
(and a few others so don't feel slighted I just picked on those of us who
have been around the longest) the majority of .asa has denigrated into a
pale and for the most part useless comparison of it's glory days. The
sailing content is vastly overshadowed by insipid political commentary which
in itself is of no merit.

Some yes indeed do. Yet this is a very important election. Even the
wise ol thom who is best at holding his tounge has put his 2 cents in
the discussions.

Have you forgotten how Capt Neal... thru his great nautical skills
single took credit for swinging Floridas vote. He carried on for
months touting W.

PLEASE..Between Bush and the Unibombers worship.. disquised and
sailing threads Neal would have been invisiable.

Bart does a good job of holding his finger in
the dike but I fear the dike has ceased to exist around his finger.

Well the election will be over soon..Bush will be President...and we
can all get back to the serious world of Sailing.

Especially when any thread is routinely hijacked by the fringe loonies who
vie for the unattainable goal 'group leadership?'

Your talking bout Bob right?

It takes more than
quantity to be a leader especially in a free society (does the word
unmoderated ring a bell?) For the majority of the spam propaganda posts
it's just Neal wannabes. He knew when to push a button or ring chimes or
zing in a barbed conversation starting content but the majority of it was
always about sailing. And you ain't Neal. BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

Recuerde SFO!



J.

M.

Watch it, bub...you're on the "b" list....
"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...

"Michael" wrote ...

With the valiant exceptions of a few, notably Bart Senior, Thom and
Katy
the majority of .asa has denigrated into a
pale and for the most part useless comparison of it's glory days.
Bart does a good job of holding his finger in
the dike but I fear the dike has ceased to exist around his finger.

You calling Katy a......., aww, better not go there.

Scotty