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katysails October 17th 04 12:34 AM

It's Over
 
Another sailing season gone by the wayside...the boat is out...it rained,
snowed, haled, and blew all day...the row out to the mooring at 8 am was
very interesting. Gale warnings up...fortunately the wind was behind us but
we almost overshot the stern! We pulled 64 boats between 8:30 am until 4:30
om...now we're defrosting our feet and hoping tomorrow will be warmer so we
can go play with the pink Kool-Aid....
--
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32

"Women and cats will do as they please..." (Heinlein)...and we don't really
care what the men and dogs think....(katy)



SAIL LOCO October 17th 04 01:20 AM

We pulled 64 boats between 8:30 am until 4:30

How many travellifts does your marina have?
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

katysails October 17th 04 02:55 AM

We pull right at the yacht club with a crane...Torr4esen's Marine comes over
with a crane, 3 high-lo's and 2 trailer/tractor combos and it's like a giant
chain reaction....everyone is divided into teams...we were on the cradle
team....had to locate the cradle up next in the queue and point it out to
the hi=lo guy who then loaded it into a waiting trailer...then the crew
positions and the trailer takes off for the staging area to be loaded with a
boat...then there's a crew on the wall where they lift out and a crew on the
adjacent dock...you back up into the area with your boat and throw lines off
4 corners...the crane drops the slings down and they position the slings and
voila! up and out and onto the trailer....then they take you to your parking
place and the power washer crew comes and blasts all the grunge and mussels
off the bottom...the rule is that if you don't work, they don't pull your
boat.
"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
...
We pulled 64 boats between 8:30 am until 4:30

How many travellifts does your marina have?
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"




gonefishiing October 17th 04 05:03 AM

i'm impressed.
we haul about 75 boats in 2 months!
tide is an issue.

boat is still in the H20 but i've mostly called it quits for the year.
i may try to get out on one more day....we'll see
always next season to look forward to.................

gf.


"katysails" wrote in message
...
We pull right at the yacht club with a crane...Torr4esen's Marine comes
over with a crane, 3 high-lo's and 2 trailer/tractor combos and it's like
a giant chain reaction....everyone is divided into teams...we were on the
cradle team....had to locate the cradle up next in the queue and point it
out to the hi=lo guy who then loaded it into a waiting trailer...then the
crew positions and the trailer takes off for the staging area to be loaded
with a boat...then there's a crew on the wall where they lift out and a
crew on the adjacent dock...you back up into the area with your boat and
throw lines off 4 corners...the crane drops the slings down and they
position the slings and voila! up and out and onto the trailer....then
they take you to your parking place and the power washer crew comes and
blasts all the grunge and mussels off the bottom...the rule is that if you
don't work, they don't pull your boat.
"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
...
We pulled 64 boats between 8:30 am until 4:30

How many travellifts does your marina have?
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"






SAIL LOCO October 17th 04 06:26 AM

then they take you to your parking
place and the power washer crew comes and blasts all the grunge and mussels
off the bottom...the rule is that if you don't work, they don't pull your
boat.

1. Why would anyone with a sailboat have grunge and mussels on the bottom? How
do they sail?
2. If you have to work is the hull out free?
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

katysails October 17th 04 02:51 PM


"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
...
then they take you to your parking
place and the power washer crew comes and blasts all the grunge and
mussels


Because Miskegon Lake os dirty, because we had the hugest algae bloom I've
ever seen, and because zebra mussels don't care what they attach
to....everyone has them...they are not an exclusive animal...

and haulout and storage are GREATLY reduced from the prices ar local
marinas...enough that mist members take advantage of the situation,,,
off the bottom...the rule is that if you don't work, they don't pull your
boat.

1. Why would anyone with a sailboat have grunge and mussels on the bottom?
How
do they sail?
2. If you have to work is the hull out free?
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"




SAIL LOCO October 17th 04 04:49 PM

and because zebra mussels don't care what they attach
to....everyone has them..

Doesn't anyone get under the boat and wipe it off during the season?
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

Horvath October 17th 04 07:01 PM

On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 12:51:22 GMT, "katysails"
wrote this crap:


Because Miskegon Lake os dirty, because we had the hugest algae bloom I've
ever seen, and because zebra mussels don't care what they attach
to....everyone has them...they are not an exclusive animal...



I've never seen zebra mussels on a boat that had bottom paint.

And I sail on Lake Erie. If you put your hand in the water for ten
minutes, you'll have zebra mussels growing on it.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

katysails October 18th 04 04:18 AM

Yes...if the water is warm enough...Lake MI never got much above 65 this
year....i did scrub away a couple of times with the scrub brush as far as I
could reach...zebra mussels are not like your ocean mussels...they are very
tiny...big ones are not as big as a thumb nail...and they are razor sharp so
you have to be very careful of slicing yourself and getting an infection....
"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
...
and because zebra mussels don't care what they attach
to....everyone has them..

Doesn't anyone get under the boat and wipe it off during the season?
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"




katysails October 18th 04 04:21 AM

We all have bottom paint...we use VC 18 every year...and we all had zebra
mussels....Muskegon Lake is an industrial lake...we've noticed that our
bottom paint doesn't;t last as long as it did up at White Lake, which is
surprising since there were all those dilute contaminants from the old
Hooker plant there and the stuff from the tannery....no we've got a paper
mill...
"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 12:51:22 GMT, "katysails"
wrote this crap:


Because Miskegon Lake os dirty, because we had the hugest algae bloom I've
ever seen, and because zebra mussels don't care what they attach
to....everyone has them...they are not an exclusive animal...



I've never seen zebra mussels on a boat that had bottom paint.

And I sail on Lake Erie. If you put your hand in the water for ten
minutes, you'll have zebra mussels growing on it.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!




Scott Vernon October 18th 04 04:53 AM


"katysails" wrote in message
...
We all have bottom paint...we use VC 18 every year...and we all had

zebra
mussels....


Next year try some VC 17.

Scotty



SAIL LOCO October 18th 04 05:32 AM

we use VC 18 every year...and we all had zebra mussels

VC18 or VC18 Offshore? The non Offshore has no antifouling properties.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

Horvath October 18th 04 06:33 AM

On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 02:21:32 GMT, "katysails"
wrote this crap:

We all have bottom paint...we use VC 18 every year...and we all had zebra
mussels....Muskegon Lake is an industrial lake...we've noticed that our
bottom paint doesn't;t last as long as it did up at White Lake, which is
surprising since there were all those dilute contaminants from the old
Hooker plant there and the stuff from the tannery....no we've got a paper
mill...



Let's talk more about those hookers. Are they near the lake? Any of
them have most of their teeth? Are there some with less disgusting
tatoos?








Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Jonathan Ganz October 18th 04 09:27 AM

Horass can only get it with hookers with tatoos and no teeth... TMI

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 02:21:32 GMT, "katysails"
wrote this crap:

We all have bottom paint...we use VC 18 every year...and we all had zebra
mussels....Muskegon Lake is an industrial lake...we've noticed that our
bottom paint doesn't;t last as long as it did up at White Lake, which is
surprising since there were all those dilute contaminants from the old
Hooker plant there and the stuff from the tannery....no we've got a paper
mill...



Let's talk more about those hookers. Are they near the lake? Any of
them have most of their teeth? Are there some with less disgusting
tatoos?








Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!




Horvath October 18th 04 01:17 PM

On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 00:27:07 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:

Horass can only get it with hookers with tatoos and no teeth... TMI



You jealous? Trying to go straight?





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

DSK October 18th 04 06:45 PM

katysails wrote:
Another sailing season gone by the wayside...the boat is out...it rained,
snowed, haled, and blew all day...the row out to the mooring at 8 am was
very interesting. Gale warnings up...fortunately the wind was behind us but
we almost overshot the stern!


Yeah, but just think... they'll give you a waiver to enter the Chi-Mac
if you've crossed Lake Michigan in a dinghy...


... We pulled 64 boats between 8:30 am until 4:30
om...


That sounds like a lot of work. How many lifts?

... now we're defrosting our feet and hoping tomorrow will be warmer so we
can go play with the pink Kool-Aid....


Avoid the Kool-Aid. It destroys your taste in music & makes you talk to
the cartoon people living in the curtains.

DSK


Jonathan Ganz October 18th 04 07:12 PM

I'm sure some of the tattoos are nice, but I prefer women, not
transvestites.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 00:27:07 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote this crap:

Horass can only get it with hookers with tatoos and no teeth... TMI



You jealous? Trying to go straight?





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!




katysails October 19th 04 02:55 AM

Was a typo....
"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...

"katysails" wrote in message
...
We all have bottom paint...we use VC 18 every year...and we all had

zebra
mussels....


Next year try some VC 17.

Scotty





katysails October 19th 04 03:04 AM

Why would anyone in fresh water use VC Offshore?????

"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
...
we use VC 18 every year...and we all had zebra mussels

VC18 or VC18 Offshore? The non Offshore has no antifouling properties.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"




katysails October 19th 04 03:05 AM

Horvy,
I'm sure the White Lake variety would suit you just fine....

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 02:21:32 GMT, "katysails"
wrote this crap:

We all have bottom paint...we use VC 18 every year...and we all had zebra
mussels....Muskegon Lake is an industrial lake...we've noticed that our
bottom paint doesn't;t last as long as it did up at White Lake, which is
surprising since there were all those dilute contaminants from the old
Hooker plant there and the stuff from the tannery....no we've got a paper
mill...



Let's talk more about those hookers. Are they near the lake? Any of
them have most of their teeth? Are there some with less disgusting
tatoos?








Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!




katysails October 19th 04 03:10 AM

Muskegon Chrinicle had an article yesterday about the algae bloom that has
terorized us the past 2 months,....turns out it's the blue green variety and
caused by the Zebra mussels...and is quite toxic (monocystins...of the kill
your liver type...) They've just put up warnings to not wade, swim, or let
your dog go in the water, and to not eat any fish out of Muskegon lake,
White Lake or Lake Leelenau, the 3 affected lakes. Of course, we've now had
several freeZes and the stuff is dying off...ya think they could have
determined this when the stuff was in full bloom???? They've got NOAA, U of
M and GVSU all working on the problem....



SAIL LOCO October 19th 04 03:36 AM

Why would anyone in fresh water use VC Offshore?????

Um .................. So they wouldn't get zebra mussles maybe.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

Maxprop October 19th 04 06:07 AM


"katysails" wrote in message

Muskegon Chrinicle had an article yesterday about the algae bloom that has
terorized us the past 2 months,....turns out it's the blue green variety

and
caused by the Zebra mussels...and is quite toxic (monocystins...of the

kill
your liver type...) They've just put up warnings to not wade, swim, or

let
your dog go in the water, and to not eat any fish out of Muskegon lake,
White Lake or Lake Leelenau, the 3 affected lakes. Of course, we've now

had
several freeZes and the stuff is dying off...ya think they could have
determined this when the stuff was in full bloom???? They've got NOAA, U

of
M and GVSU all working on the problem....


A microbiologist from MSU was on TV today and stated that the fear of the
toxins was grossly overstated in that Muskegon Chronicle article. He said
you'd probably have to ingest a substantial amount of the actual algal
colonies to get enough to make yourself ill. Wading won't do it. Dogs,
OTOH, should be kept out of the water, as they tend to drink a lot while
swimming.

No, Chopper, stay on the dock. Oh wait! You don't have a dock, do ya?
:-)

Max



katysails October 19th 04 01:33 PM

Or a dog that goes in the water....

"Maxprop" wrote in message
nk.net...

"katysails" wrote in message

Muskegon Chrinicle had an article yesterday about the algae bloom that
has
terorized us the past 2 months,....turns out it's the blue green variety

and
caused by the Zebra mussels...and is quite toxic (monocystins...of the

kill
your liver type...) They've just put up warnings to not wade, swim, or

let
your dog go in the water, and to not eat any fish out of Muskegon lake,
White Lake or Lake Leelenau, the 3 affected lakes. Of course, we've now

had
several freeZes and the stuff is dying off...ya think they could have
determined this when the stuff was in full bloom???? They've got NOAA, U

of
M and GVSU all working on the problem....


A microbiologist from MSU was on TV today and stated that the fear of the
toxins was grossly overstated in that Muskegon Chronicle article. He said
you'd probably have to ingest a substantial amount of the actual algal
colonies to get enough to make yourself ill. Wading won't do it. Dogs,
OTOH, should be kept out of the water, as they tend to drink a lot while
swimming.

No, Chopper, stay on the dock. Oh wait! You don't have a dock, do ya?
:-)

Max





katysails October 19th 04 01:35 PM

NC Offshore is fine for salt water but doeas little in fresh water....it is
not the bottom paint of choice here...VC 17 works fine except for the little
problem of the blue green algae this year....I think that's a freshwater
phenomenon....as are zebra mussels....read the flyers on VC Offshire...it is
not meant for freshwater
"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
...
Why would anyone in fresh water use VC Offshore?????

Um .................. So they wouldn't get zebra mussles maybe.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"




DSK October 19th 04 02:10 PM

katysails wrote:
Nah...we never drink water from the tank...


How do you "never" drink from the tank?

.... but the dog does...is that why he
does those funny things???


Dogs think *we* do funny things. It's not for me to say who is right!

"Did you drink the Kool-Aid" was sort of a hippy joke. At one point I
read quite a lot about LSD and it was used experimentally on dogs...
cats too. It's hard to tell if a dog is hallucinating... most observers
agreed that they seemed to be. Makes me wonder if they were
hallucinating smells.

Side note- A tripping cat is often afraid of mice. At least, that's what
the researchers wrote.

DSK



Scott Vernon October 19th 04 04:25 PM


"DSK" wrote in message
...
katysails wrote:
Nah...we never drink water from the tank...


How do you "never" drink from the tank?


I don't drink from my tank. I carry bottled water for drinking, use
the tank water for everything else.

Scotty



SAIL LOCO October 19th 04 04:57 PM

read the flyers on VC Offshire...it is
not meant for freshwater

Kate, the Offshore is for hard growth. Zebra mussles are hard growth.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

DSK October 19th 04 06:54 PM

Scott Vernon wrote:
I don't drink from my tank. I carry bottled water for drinking, use
the tank water for everything else.


That seems redundant. Why not get a drinking water filter? We have one,
it's not perfect but it's better than the tap water in many places.

Fresh Water
Doug King


Scott Vernon October 19th 04 06:58 PM

Thought about it.



"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
Scott Vernon wrote:
I don't drink from my tank. I carry bottled water for drinking,

use
the tank water for everything else.


That seems redundant. Why not get a drinking water filter? We have

one,
it's not perfect but it's better than the tap water in many places.

Fresh Water
Doug King




Maxprop October 20th 04 03:25 AM


"katysails" wrote in message

Or a dog that goes in the water....


We should be so lucky. Niki won't stay outta the drink.

Max



katysails October 20th 04 04:21 AM

Boatyards around here do not recommend it at all.....

"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
...
read the flyers on VC Offshire...it is
not meant for freshwater

Kate, the Offshore is for hard growth. Zebra mussles are hard growth.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"




katysails October 20th 04 04:26 AM

I thought you were referring to the possibility of using real anti-freeze,
which also causes hallucinations (and eventually death...) Wouldn't know
about acid but I do know that horses get really weird when you blow pot
smoke up their nostrils....

We have gallon jugs of water that we fill at home or at the dock on the boat
so we don't drink from the tank....even with chlorine drops in it, i still
do not trust it and it is usually lukewarm...yech.....

My dog does not think we're weird...he thinks we're God.....
"DSK" wrote in message
...
katysails wrote:
Nah...we never drink water from the tank...


How do you "never" drink from the tank?

.... but the dog does...is that why he does those funny things???


Dogs think *we* do funny things. It's not for me to say who is right!

"Did you drink the Kool-Aid" was sort of a hippy joke. At one point I read
quite a lot about LSD and it was used experimentally on dogs... cats too.
It's hard to tell if a dog is hallucinating... most observers agreed that
they seemed to be. Makes me wonder if they were hallucinating smells.

Side note- A tripping cat is often afraid of mice. At least, that's what
the researchers wrote.

DSK





katysails October 20th 04 04:29 AM

If we're down on the beach he'll wade in without prompt, but he has never
shown any desire to leap off the boat, except to leap into the dinght (which
can be a very exciting event...and sometimes damp...)but hey, he doesn't
chase rabbits or squirrels either...he hasn't forgotten that cocker spaniels
are evil devils, though...the other day we were walking by a yard where a
young one ran up to the fence and he peed on it....he will never forget
Reggie....
"Maxprop" wrote in message
.net...

"katysails" wrote in message

Or a dog that goes in the water....


We should be so lucky. Niki won't stay outta the drink.

Max





Horvath October 20th 04 05:04 AM

On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:25:40 -0400, "Scott Vernon"
wrote this crap:


"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
katysails wrote:
Nah...we never drink water from the tank...


How do you "never" drink from the tank?


I don't drink from my tank. I carry bottled water for drinking, use
the tank water for everything else.



Poor guy. We drink beer and rum.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Scott Vernon October 20th 04 05:05 AM


"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:25:40 -0400, "Scott Vernon"
wrote this crap:


"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
katysails wrote:
Nah...we never drink water from the tank...

How do you "never" drink from the tank?


I don't drink from my tank. I carry bottled water for drinking,

use
the tank water for everything else.



Poor guy. We drink beer and rum.



while sailing?



Horvath October 20th 04 06:00 AM

On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 23:05:56 -0400, "Scott Vernon"
wrote this crap:


How do you "never" drink from the tank?

I don't drink from my tank. I carry bottled water for drinking,

use
the tank water for everything else.



Poor guy. We drink beer and rum.



while sailing?



While breathing.






Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Maxprop October 20th 04 06:08 AM


"katysails" wrote in message

If we're down on the beach he'll wade in without prompt, but he has never
shown any desire to leap off the boat, except to leap into the dinght

(which
can be a very exciting event...and sometimes damp...)but hey, he doesn't
chase rabbits or squirrels either...he hasn't forgotten that cocker

spaniels
are evil devils, though...the other day we were walking by a yard where a
young one ran up to the fence and he peed on it....he will never forget
Reggie....


Nor will anyone on A-dock. He apparently left a calling card on the steps
just above the ramp and it never got cleaned off. I don't know why Don
bothered to take him to the dog walk area. He never made it, as far as I
could tell.

Max



DSK October 20th 04 01:42 PM

katysails wrote:
I thought you were referring to the possibility of using real anti-freeze,
which also causes hallucinations (and eventually death...)


Yes, it's dangerous stuff. Supposedly it tastes good to dogs, too.

... Wouldn't know
about acid but I do know that horses get really weird when you blow pot
smoke up their nostrils....


Do tell. Was this in a research report that you read?


We have gallon jugs of water that we fill at home or at the dock on the boat
so we don't drink from the tank....even with chlorine drops in it, i still
do not trust it and it is usually lukewarm...yech.....


If you treat the system right, it'll be fine. We have a water filter for
drinking water, but the water out of the tank is no different from the
tap water. Is the U.S. turning into one of those 3rd world countries
where you can't drink the water?


My dog does not think we're weird...he thinks we're God.....


We had Chesapeakes for years... they're too smart and too strong-willed
to fall for that. Our current dog is a pound hound and I'm not sure of
his religious beliefs... he is learning, though.

DSK


Scott Vernon October 20th 04 04:41 PM

"DSK" wrote ...

If you treat the system right, it'll be fine. We have a water filter

for
drinking water, but the water out of the tank is no different from

the
tap water. Is the U.S. turning into one of those 3rd world countries
where you can't drink the water?


We have a well here at home, great tasting water. I don't like 'city
water'.
I know it's clean, but I don't like the taste.
So I fill a few jugs at home to take on the boat.

Scotty





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