On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 23:42:39 +0100, "Donal"
wrote this crap:

In contrast, Kerry actually went to war in Vietnam.

It seems to me that, on one hand we have a corrupt coward, and on the other
hand we have an honest citizen who was willing to do his duty.


I guess you haven't heard of kerry's eight years of AWOL.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

"Donal" wrote
Perhaps we have been lied to on this side of the Atlantic. We've been
told that Bush avoided active duty by using family influence to get a
position in the National Guard.

I thot so too but my misconception was corrected. LBJ had the Texas draft
quota set so low that only Hispanics and poor whites had to go. Bush, a
wealthy playboy and town drunk, would never have been called - he joined the
NG on a lark to fly jet planes.



Did Bill Clinton serve in the military?

Yes, as CIC, just like Reagan (c:

OzOne wrote
Interesting that you guys are debating history while your leader and
his Govt preside over pushing the country into horrendous debt.
revoking of personal freedom, heightened risk of terrorist attack and
looming high interest rates and reduction of services.

Hell, that's the good news. You should see what he's done to our schools and
how our roads and highways are falling apart.

Any news about the EU putting So African type sanctions on Israel from Down
Under?

"John Cairns" wrote
Hmmm. Are you saying he didn't use his influence to get into the guard?
.....

Here's what I've been told. He didn't need the NG to dodge the draft - no
Texans of his social status were being drafted, nor did he need influence to
get into the Texas NG - they were advertising for college grads.

"Maxprop" wrote in message
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"John Cairns" wrote in message

I think to most intelligent folk it's patently obvious that Bush used
his
family connections to get by,

Actually, John, the truly intelligent realize it is mere speculation
and/or
folly to jump to such conclusions when there is no evidence for or
against.

Actually, Max, there is lots of evidence to prove that Kerry fought for his
country. There is also lots of evidence that proves that Bush did *not*
fight for his country.

Your ability to analyse evidence is very suspect indeed.

Bear in mind that there was almost no evidence at all to suggest that Saddam
had WMD.... and yet you swallowed the lies - hook, line and sinker.



Regards


Donal
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On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 02:11:23 GMT, "John Cairns"
wrote this crap:

Hmmm. Are you saying he didn't use his influence to get into the guard? I


I got into the guard, and I didn't have any family influence.


don't have any evidence that the sun will rise tomorrow but I am reasonably
sure that it will happen. Next thing you'll be telling us is that junior is
a self-made man. In any event, this guy characterizes Bush as a draft
dodger, and I don't think you can call him a liberal. Bottom line, when Bush
had an opportunity to prove his "bravery" or whatever else you might want to
call it, he declined.


It takes a lot of guts to get into a jet, and fly off. Probably more
guts than cruising around in a stinkboat.






Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

In article ,
Horvath wrote:
On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 02:11:23 GMT, "John Cairns"
wrote this crap:

Hmmm. Are you saying he didn't use his influence to get into the guard? I


I got into the guard, and I didn't have any family influence.

You can also get into gay bars without any influence.

It takes a lot of guts to get into a jet, and fly off. Probably more
guts than cruising around in a stinkboat.

Yeah, especially when they aren't x-raying the cargo.

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"If there's no wind, row."

"John Cairns" wrote in message

"Maxprop" wrote in message

"John Cairns" wrote in message

I think to most intelligent folk it's patently obvious that Bush used
his
family connections to get by,

Actually, John, the truly intelligent realize it is mere speculation
and/or
folly to jump to such conclusions when there is no evidence for or
against.

Max

Hmmm. Are you saying he didn't use his influence to get into the guard?

Do you have evidence that he did? I'd be pleased to take a look at it, if
so. Or are you simply making assumptions based upon your prejudice?

I
don't have any evidence that the sun will rise tomorrow but I am
reasonably
sure that it will happen.

I can provide concrete evidence that it will. I'll ask again--can you
provide ANY evidence that W used influence to get into the Guard (not that
getting into the Guard required any)?

Next thing you'll be telling us is that junior is
a self-made man. In any event, this guy characterizes Bush as a draft
dodger, and I don't think you can call him a liberal. Bottom line, when
Bush
had an opportunity to prove his "bravery" or whatever else you might want
to
call it, he declined.

Bravery? Lunacy is more like it. Were you around during Vietnam? If so
you'd realize it was no place to go with the intent of returning home alive
or even in one piece. Kerry was stupid to volunteer to go. The only
intelligence he displayed in the matter was using minor injuries to get his
ass outta there.

As for Bush, he WAS in the military, he DID fulfill his obligation, and he
DID receive an honorable discharge. Beyond that anything you and Mr. Ganz
contend about his service is mere speculation. To paraphrase Cuba Gooding,
Jr. in "Jerry McGuire": Show me the evidence!

Max

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message


It's a documented fact. Open your eyes.

How about you open my eyes for me, Jonny. Provide me with a source, and no,
your liberal 527 websites don't count. Give me a bona fide source proving
that Bush used family influence to get into the Air Guard.

Max

"Donal" wrote in message

"Maxprop" wrote in message

"John Cairns" wrote in message

I think to most intelligent folk it's patently obvious that Bush used
his
family connections to get by,

Actually, John, the truly intelligent realize it is mere speculation
and/or
folly to jump to such conclusions when there is no evidence for or
against.

Actually, Max, there is lots of evidence to prove that Kerry fought for
his
country. There is also lots of evidence that proves that Bush did *not*
fight for his country.

Actually, Donal, I've never questioned Kerry's service. And I never
disputed that Bush was never in combat or overseas. Which brings me to the
conclusion that you can't stay on topic for even a moment. Which generally
supports my conclusion about you: you can't debate. About time for
another ad hominem attack, boyo.

Max