And, he might want to consider a smaller jib. Might give better balance.

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"Wally" wrote in message
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tom wrote:

The knockdown was a first and a surprise for the both of us as
neither of us are anything but a "weekend sailor." We were sailing
as we usually sailed, with the jib sheet held by a cam* cleat.
There is no way in my estimation that one could physically hold
the sheet as there is considerable pull being exerted. Obviously,
if it was known or suspected that we were heading for a knockdown
the jib sheet would have been loosened, but such was not the case.
And once we were knocked down there was too much pressure on the
mechanism to quickly release the sheet. The boat does have winches
but we have never used them to restrain a jib sheet.

Sounds like you should be putting the jibsheet on a winch, then.

With 2 or 3 turns around the winch, there'll be enough friction to be able
to keep the sheet tight without cleating it, and still be able to ease it
instantly should a knockdown loom. If you get a gust and the crew has to
ease the jib, he just has to step over once the boat comes back up and
turn
the winch to sheet in, rope already around the winch, minimal effort.


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On 29 Oct 2004 17:57:12 -0700, (Jonathan Ganz)
wrote:

In article , gonefishiing
wrote:
yes it around the winch
chafe happens when lines move back and forth
not enough from an even sliding that anything discernible should be
discussed

Well, seems to me that if there's any significan easing of the sheet,
there would be significant friction on the line... on a relatively
rough surface also. I try not to treat my lines to that. You must sail
in pretty light wind conditions most of the time.

He's mostly a "hot air" sailor, like Tougboat.

Jealous of you? Bwahwhahahahaaaa!

You've got to be kidding "binary bill". BTW, have you ever posted a binary
in the last year and a half that I've been here? Or ever for that matter?

You've got to be a Bobspirt clone, nothing more or nothing less.

Post your binaries or STFU!

LP

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
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Ozzy wrote

Been rowing since I was a kid, and still haven't gotten any where.

Only one 'oar in the water?

Seahag

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
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"Seahag" wrote in message
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"Scott Vernon" wrote:

"Seahag" wrote ...

Look up!

For the helicopter?

It can be a very welcome sight ya know:^)

I wouldn't know.

Yet.

More likely up a creek without a paddle....
"Seahag" wrote in message
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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
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Ozzy wrote

Been rowing since I was a kid, and still haven't gotten any where.

Only one 'oar in the water?

Seahag

This from a guy pretending to be a dyke.

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"Lady Pilot" wrote in message
news:WzZgd.39698$EZ.5798@okepread07...

wrote in message
...
On 29 Oct 2004 17:57:12 -0700, (Jonathan
Ganz)
wrote:

In article , gonefishiing
wrote:
yes it around the winch
chafe happens when lines move back and forth
not enough from an even sliding that anything discernible should be
discussed

Well, seems to me that if there's any significan easing of the sheet,
there would be significant friction on the line... on a relatively
rough surface also. I try not to treat my lines to that. You must sail
in pretty light wind conditions most of the time.

He's mostly a "hot air" sailor, like Tougboat.

Jealous of you? Bwahwhahahahaaaa!

You've got to be kidding "binary bill". BTW, have you ever posted a
binary in the last year and a half that I've been here? Or ever for that
matter?

You've got to be a Bobspirt clone, nothing more or nothing less.

Post your binaries or STFU!

LP

"Seahag" wrote

Look up!

For the helicopter?

It can be a very welcome sight ya know:^)

I wouldn't know.

Yet.


You mean there's still hope?

Ozone wrote

scull...empty
sweep 1 oar.

"Scott Vernon" wrote:
"Seahag" wrote

Look up!

For the helicopter?

It can be a very welcome sight ya know:^)

I wouldn't know.

Yet.

You mean there's still hope?

It's probably too late for you!

"Wally" wrote in message ...
tom wrote:

The knockdown was a first and a surprise for the both of us as
neither of us are anything but a "weekend sailor." We were sailing
as we usually sailed, with the jib sheet held by a cam* cleat.
There is no way in my estimation that one could physically hold
the sheet as there is considerable pull being exerted. Obviously,
if it was known or suspected that we were heading for a knockdown
the jib sheet would have been loosened, but such was not the case.
And once we were knocked down there was too much pressure on the
mechanism to quickly release the sheet. The boat does have winches
but we have never used them to restrain a jib sheet.

Sounds like you should be putting the jibsheet on a winch, then.

With 2 or 3 turns around the winch, there'll be enough friction to be able
to keep the sheet tight without cleating it, and still be able to ease it
instantly should a knockdown loom. If you get a gust and the crew has to
ease the jib, he just has to step over once the boat comes back up and turn
the winch to sheet in, rope already around the winch, minimal effort.


I don't mean to flog a dead horse, so I'll close this with a thank
you, but
I was looking for action/s which would either prevent a knockdown at
the time circumstances are causing such; or if knocked down: action/s
which can limit the severity of the knockdown. Obviously, there are a
number of things we could have done to prevent a knockdown, such as
reefing the main more and furling the jib before we went out on the
water; however, that's hindsight. Prior to the knockdown we both were
of the opinion that releasing/easing the main and jib sheets was
sufficient action to largely control heeling. We are probably right in
our assumption; however, such is qualified by the fact that it seems
almost impossible to uncleat the jib sheet from the high side when a
knockdown occurs, and it still isn't easy when one grasps the sheet
mere inches from the cleating mechanism.

Once again, thanks to all who offered an opinion.

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