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Bwahahahaha! At 8 MP? You mean "great" like we used to get out of the old
16mm films? Great if you don't mind buildings that look like they're falling over backward? Spend some time with full size cameras then tell us about "great". What is this loser talking about? 8MP exceeds the resolution of a 35mm negative by nearly 25%. It's close to the res of a medium format without the bother. RB |
Pro's can get good pictures with a pin hole camera.
Thom, I find it really annoying when someone like you chimes in on a topic you know nothing about. I worked as a still photographer and a pro can't get good results from a crappy optical set or a slappy shutter. Nor can you get very impressive results with low res CCDs. That's why we buy reasonably good gear. RB |
By the way, why don't you buy cameras like you do Boats? All that money
for only a picture when a boat can be a case of life and death for you and your family. I didn't pay for the Canon 20D, Thom. It was a gift. I suppose I could take it back and keep the 2K, but that would be pretty creepy. And the Nikon was bought to take pics of the baby. Sorry if this offends you, but we like the beautiful prints that this gear makes. RB |
Honestly, the Pro, according to her, has good bit
of noise above 100 and the vignetting was unacceptable. I'm not going to argue with her about it. S. "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... : The Pro is 8MP and the rebel is 6MP. : She I think she'd like the 1DsII, but can't : justify it for what she's doing at this point. : : : Honestly, the Pro can take really great pics with some practice. A lot rides on : how you print them. : My new Nikon 8800 is 8 MP. I've already taken some greats shots...but it's easy : enough to get it wrong, especially with the focusing. I'm glad the 20D has true : manual focus. : Your wife should take another crack at it and take her time. An Epson R300M : will deliver excellent 8X10s as will the 800. They are terrible for regular : text printing though. : : RB : : |
Honestly, the Pro, according to her, has good bit
of noise above 100 and the vignetting was unacceptable. I'm not going to argue with her about it. Well, it all depends on how you're shooting and where. I rarely set above 100. The new crop of cameras certainly do better with that. If she wants to avoid lens issues, she'd probably like a SLR like the Canon 20D, but overall it's probably best to wait another year or so rather than spend a small fortune. RB |
I think if you look at what people in the know you
will find that they have the same complaints about the Pro. I told you that she liked the 1DsII but not for 7k. S. "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... : Honestly, the Pro, according to her, has good bit : of noise above 100 and the vignetting was : unacceptable. I'm not going to argue with her : about it. : : : Well, it all depends on how you're shooting and where. I rarely set above 100. : The new crop of cameras certainly do better with that. If she wants to avoid : lens issues, she'd probably like a SLR like the Canon 20D, but overall it's : probably best to wait another year or so rather than spend a small fortune. : : RB |
I think if you look at what people in the know you
will find that they have the same complaints about the Pro. Agreed. I have seen some good results with it though. I bet a Canon 20D with the regular lens (1600.00) would perk her interest. But in another year we'll see some amazing cameras for under 1K I bet. RB |
"Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Bwahahahaha! At 8 MP? You mean "great" like we used to get out of the old 16mm films? Great if you don't mind buildings that look like they're falling over backward? Spend some time with full size cameras then tell us about "great". What is this loser talking about? 8MP exceeds the resolution of a 35mm negative by nearly 25%. It's close to the res of a medium format without the bother. If you are only interested in amateur snapshots for web posting you'll be satisfied with that resolution and the lack of contrast and perspective controls but this "looser" prefers better - like at least 10x the resolution of a 35mm minicam and buildings that don't appear to be falling over and foregrounds in focus, etc. Again, if you are really interested in quality photography, spend some time using a full size camera system. |
If you are only interested in amateur snapshots for web posting you'll be
satisfied with that resolution and the lack of contrast and perspective controls Vito, you clearly never used a modern digital camera. Modern 6 MP and better match or exceed the capability of a 35MM camera. My 8.2 MP camera is quite close to a medium format camera. Unless you're refering to 8X10 cameras which are less than practical. Not many pros used them these days. Your comment on contrast makes zero sense. A 5 Mp shot with a G5 can match contrast with a 35mm shot on Kodak F5 papers. Get back to me when you can google up a clue. RB |
"Bobsprit" wrote
Vito, you clearly never used a modern digital camera. Modern 6 MP and better match or exceed the capability of a 35MM camera. You are right. My 4.2 MP zoom is OK for snapshots used for web posting or newsprint where quality doesn't matter. It replaced my 35mm SLR that I used for essentially the same purposes - ie where quality didn't matter. Unless you're refering to 8X10 cameras which are less than practical. There is nothing so beautiful as a well concieved and executed 8x10 contact print with the lovely range of tones unachievable in miniture (35mm) film cameras or any digital camera I could afford. But you can compromise and still get acceptable quality out of a practical 4x5 and old Graphics can still be found in good shape. Not many pros used them these days. That's because customers have become inured to poor quality. Check out some old Life magazines and see what I mean. Your comment on contrast makes zero sense. A 5 Mp shot with a G5 can match contrast with a 35mm shot on Kodak F5 papers. That's because, like most minicam and digital tyros, you have no appreciation of contrast control. You point and shoot and take whatever your camera's computer gives you and deem it "good". But since you are reasonably intellegent your ignorance in this area can be cured by simply learning and understanding the Zone System. I suggest Ansel Adam's series on that subject. Works for color too, BTW. Get back to me when you can google up a clue. Yes, please do. |
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