In reviewing the 1889 and 1948 rules I was reminded that the sailing
rules are different now from what I had learned as a youth. In most
cases, the 1972 rules follow the older rules, but there is one change.

In what way have did the sailing rules make a significant change from
the traditional rules?

OzOne wrote:
On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 18:45:55 -0500, Jeff Morris
scribbled thusly:


In reviewing the 1889 and 1948 rules I was reminded that the sailing
rules are different now from what I had learned as a youth. In most
cases, the 1972 rules follow the older rules, but there is one change.

In what way have did the sailing rules make a significant change from
the traditional rules?


Arrrgh, Racing Rules, I was gonna say No Collisions....but it was 2000
IIRC.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Nope - that rule has always been there, though not worded as strongly.
This is a case where the standon/giveway relationship got reversed.

Arrrgh, Racing Rules, I was gonna say No Collisions....but it was 2000
IIRC.


Jeff Morris wrote:
Nope - that rule has always been there, though not worded as strongly.
This is a case where the standon/giveway relationship got reversed.


It used to be that a boat with it's spinnaker up had ROW over a boat on
an upwind leg. This was the case up thru the mid 1960s or so... back
when it was NAYRU (and of course, dinosaurs roamed the earth)

DSK

DSK wrote:
Arrrgh, Racing Rules, I was gonna say No Collisions....but it was 2000
IIRC.


Jeff Morris wrote:

Nope - that rule has always been there, though not worded as strongly.
This is a case where the standon/giveway relationship got reversed.


It used to be that a boat with it's spinnaker up had ROW over a boat on
an upwind leg. This was the case up thru the mid 1960s or so... back
when it was NAYRU (and of course, dinosaurs roamed the earth)

DSK

A very good guess, but I was specifically thinking about ColRegs and its
predecessors, not the racing rules.

Jeff Morris wrote:
A very good guess, but I was specifically thinking about ColRegs and its
predecessors, not the racing rules.


Oh, sorry.

Were you thinking of the ColRegs change to reflect the new hi-tech
method of steering with a rudder instead of with an oar draped over the
aft quarter? For some of us, that is a recent change and hard to get
used to...



DSK

You racers are so narrow-minded and hypocritical. Why don't
you put your mind in gear before you open your yaps. The
question is about the COLREGS - not stupid racing rules.

CN


It used to be that a boat with it's spinnaker up had ROW over a boat on
an upwind leg. This was the case up thru the mid 1960s or so... back
when it was NAYRU (and of course, dinosaurs roamed the earth)

DSK

Hey I remember that!


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Of course I know the answer, I know everything worth knowing.

I'm just waiting to see how long it takes for somebody else
to answer the question for once.

CN


OzOne wrote in message ...
On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:00:11 -0500, Capt. Neal®
scribbled thusly:

You racers are so narrow-minded and hypocritical. Why don't
you put your mind in gear before you open your yaps. The
question is about the COLREGS - not stupid racing rules.

CN

Then you know the answer?


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

OzOne wrote:
Hint please :-)

One of the answers given already should be hint enough. Since Neal
claims to know the answer (even though this was a few decades before a
woman taught him how to sail) I'll hold of on giving the answer until
Neal enlightens us. BTW, I've spent I lot of time scouring the net for
old rules and haven't found much, so I wouldn't recommend Google. I've
had better luck finding old text books at used bookstores and yard sales.

As I've said before, this a situation in the sailing rules where the
standon/giveway relationship has been reversed. In other words, if you
learned the rules before 1972 (or whenever your country adopted the
recent Colregs) you would have to relearn them.

Jeff Morris wrote:
OzOne wrote:

Hint please :-)


One of the answers given already should be hint enough. Since Neal
claims to know the answer (even though this was a few decades before a
woman taught him how to sail) I'll hold of on giving the answer until
Neal enlightens us. BTW, I've spent I lot of time scouring the net for
old rules and haven't found much, so I wouldn't recommend Google. I've
had better luck finding old text books at used bookstores and yard sales.

As I've said before, this a situation in the sailing rules where the
standon/giveway relationship has been reversed. In other words, if you
learned the rules before 1972 (or whenever your country adopted the
recent Colregs) you would have to relearn them.



There are some interesting differences.
otn

Capt. Neal® wrote:
Of course I know the answer, I know everything worth knowing.

I'm just waiting to see how long it takes for somebody else
to answer the question for once.

Last chance Neal, before I post the answer. BTW, in answer to your
claim that the Colregs did not exist before 1972, both the 1889 and 1948
versions were called the "Collision Regulations."

Here's a tidbit from the early rules:
In the 1800's there were various steering arrangements leading to
confusion when issuing orders. The 1889 rules clarified this with:

Article 32. All orders to the helmsman shall be given as follows:
"Right Rudder" to mean "Direct the vessel's head to starboard."
"Left Rudder" to mean "Direct the vessel's head to port."

For some reason, in 1948 they changed the wording to:

RULE 32
All orders to helmsmen shall be given in the following sense:
right rudder or starboard to mean "put the vessel's rudder to
starboard;" left rudder or port to mean "put the vessel's rudder to port."

This rule was dropped in 1972.

Recently, I've heard the claim that there was confusion of the bridge of
the Titanic because the wheel worked in reverse and thus the commands
were ambiguous. Given the attempt to standardize was 20 years earlier,
it seems a bit unlikely.