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Yeah I was wondering what sky he pulled that one out of myself.
Propane is not a problem unless your brain dead and unable to maintain a system properly. Joe |
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Capt. Rob wrote:
Watch out for Jeff, Gary. He'll go to ANY level to troll. Any level??? I'll even use the truth! Except there is no hotplate. Oops...you lied. Well, I don't think you identified the model - it looked like a stove top plunked down on top of the built in stove. If you have a propane system that you trust, what good is an electric system that only works dockside? More lies. I've already posted we're converting the system. Propane does not belong on a boat. But, you just bragged about a "dual use" system, now you're claiming its so dangerous you're removing it. Actually, I have no problem with those who think propane is unsafe, though I think there are very few problem when its properly installed. I only have one appliance, the stove, and its not even gimbaled so there's one continuous hose from the locker. Also, the locker is vented not just by a small tube, but with an opening of about 6 square inches. But this leaves the question, if you remove the propane, how do you run the stove? You can dance around this all day, but firing up a genset to make coffee in the morning is not ideal for a small cruising boat. Mine has 8 overhead hatches, plus 8 opening side hatches. Lie #3 from Jeff. Jeff ALREADY ADMITTED that he's had some oppressive nights on his boat. I bet if he was honest he'd admit that air conditioning would be nice on occasion. I'd really prefer to skip those oppressive nights and flip the switch, esepcially since AC came with our boat. And again Bob tries to bull**** his way out of this. What I said is that in staying dockside for most of a year in FL there were a few nights that were oppressive. Actually, I'd even agree that if I were to live at the dock year round I might opt for A/C, though might wife might veto it. However, I've never had any desire or need for A/C while cruising. Running a genset all night to power A/C on a small boat in an anchorage is an abomination. Its no surprise that Booby doesn't agree. In fact, he just sounds like an idiot by repeatedly bragging about A/C that he can only use in the marina, while claiming that he doesn't need ventilation! He's spent 20% overvalue for the boat, then paid another 5% to ship it up. Yet another lie. We paid aprox 8K below market and 5 K below 3 35s5's sold recently. And we have what is probably the nicest example with new gear. The BUC value is $50-55K, and there seem to be a number asking well under $70K. But I'm sure you have to keep telling yourself you got a good deal. But he's already told us how after a a few seasons of racing they can't pass survey, so he's out on a limb with this one. Another lie. Jeff can't post a link to my saying any such thing. I found a single boat out of four with a deck problem after a mast was dropped on it. I think you were quite explicit when you said: "We really loved the boat, but could not find one that hadn't been raced to death." So, Jeff lies and lies. I know they look like lies - but they're actually quotes from you! What drives him batty is that I can be so brutal about his boat and do it with honest comments, Right, it really hurt me when you said my boat doesn't heel. What other faults did you find - too much ventilation? while he has to make stuff up...and do it badly at that! HE SAID that for sailing fun he goes to play with his dinghy. So he admits that PDQ aint a whole lot of fun. Truth...even if he won't admit to it after admitting to it! Yup. If I want to do an hour of daysailing I just hop in a small boat at my club. I don't have to spend $60K for a daysailer. |
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But this leaves the question, if you remove the propane, how do you
run the stove? It's called CNG, Jeff. Costs 200 dollars to set it up with our current stove. But, you just bragged about a "dual use" system, now you're claiming its so dangerous you're removing it. Another lie from Jeff. We're changing it. Actually, I'd even agree that if I were to live at the dock year round Holy backpedal Batman!!! think you were quite explicit when you said: "We really loved the boat, but could not find one that hadn't been raced to death." Yep, old sails and worse ruined cushions from wet sails dumped on them again and again. One needed updated running rigging along with new cushions. One of the four boats had some of the interior removed, such as the table. But the boats were generally solid and looked fine. Raced to death doesn't mean a bad boat...it can be cosmetics which can cost a fortune. Go price new cushions and sails. As usual you're clueless and jump to conclusions. BTW of the four we looked at over the last 3 months, only one remains unsold! And all sold for more than what we paid. The one with the bad deck sold for exactly what we paid! Right, it really hurt me when you said my boat doesn't heel. What other faults did you find - too much ventilation? According to you, when you want to have some sailing fun you go sail a dinghy. We all know that the PDQ 36 is something less than fun to sail. Folks who love to sail buy 35s5's, or even Express 30's, Jeff. Nobody equates "sporting fun" with sailing a PDQ 36. NO ONE. Not even you. When we go sailing with family, with friends or just the three of us we like to be on a boat that's fun, a boat that heels and can get our blood pumping. We don't want to be on a river raft. That's what you like and that's fine, but don't compare it to the very different activity of sailing a monohull. When we sailed on the PDQ 36, my wife couldn't even see the point of it. We might as well have been on a powerboat...a really slow one. With the 35s5 we have a boat that's fun and can cruise on our weekend trips or longer. Hell, I posted a link to folks cruising around the world in one. They seem to be doing fine! Based on your criteria you have the ONLY boat here suitable for cruising in this group BTW. The 35s5 has a proven record of blue water sailing AND it has a larger interior than most of the other boats here. So it looks like only you and Joe can go to sea! What a laugh. Face it, Jeff. It's check and mate. You lost. I won't even begin to bash the idiotic idea of comparing the 35s5 directly to dinghy sailing. Hell, I got yelled at for even suggesting it earlier. People who love the shape of boats rarely love a monohull, Jeff. Good luck, RB 35s5 NY |
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You need to be careful if you're going to do this...
http://www.sabreyachts.com/owner_resources/faq.php Q. How do I go about changing the stove in my boat from CNG to propane? A. Many owners inquire about making a change from CNG to propane fuel for the galley stove. The main reason given is that propane is more widely available and it is sometimes preferred despite CNG's safer properties. (CNG is lighter than air and thus escapes from the yacht's interior. Propane sinks to the boats bilges if it escapes from the system.) Changing cooking fuels is a very extensive project in that the tanks, the tank locker, the hose, the regulator, and the burner orifices must be changed. This is not a do-it-yourself project. Only qualified service technicians should perform the work. The commonly available sizes of propane tanks will not fit in the same tank locker designed for CNG tanks. Although Sabre fabricates fiberglass tank lockers for our CNG systems, these are not retrofitable. They will not fit though a cockpit locker opening which was created for the original installation. It is also worth noting that Sabre fiberglasses these lockers in place, the only exception being the Sabre 362. We recommend that any Sabre owner who has a Regal CNG stove and wishes to pursue this switch, start by contacting www.seawardproducts.com. They offer kits for switching the burner orifices. Unfortunately, the changing of the burner parts is only the first part of this project. The rest of the work should be discussed with experienced service personnel. If you're a subscriber to Practical Sailor magazine, you may recall (or wish to look up) their June 1, 1994 edition. On the last page is their response to a letter in which they discuss this subject. Looking for CNG? Try www.corpbrothers.com -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com... But this leaves the question, if you remove the propane, how do you run the stove? It's called CNG, Jeff. Costs 200 dollars to set it up with our current stove. But, you just bragged about a "dual use" system, now you're claiming its so dangerous you're removing it. Another lie from Jeff. We're changing it. Actually, I'd even agree that if I were to live at the dock year round Holy backpedal Batman!!! think you were quite explicit when you said: "We really loved the boat, but could not find one that hadn't been raced to death." Yep, old sails and worse ruined cushions from wet sails dumped on them again and again. One needed updated running rigging along with new cushions. One of the four boats had some of the interior removed, such as the table. But the boats were generally solid and looked fine. Raced to death doesn't mean a bad boat...it can be cosmetics which can cost a fortune. Go price new cushions and sails. As usual you're clueless and jump to conclusions. BTW of the four we looked at over the last 3 months, only one remains unsold! And all sold for more than what we paid. The one with the bad deck sold for exactly what we paid! Right, it really hurt me when you said my boat doesn't heel. What other faults did you find - too much ventilation? According to you, when you want to have some sailing fun you go sail a dinghy. We all know that the PDQ 36 is something less than fun to sail. Folks who love to sail buy 35s5's, or even Express 30's, Jeff. Nobody equates "sporting fun" with sailing a PDQ 36. NO ONE. Not even you. When we go sailing with family, with friends or just the three of us we like to be on a boat that's fun, a boat that heels and can get our blood pumping. We don't want to be on a river raft. That's what you like and that's fine, but don't compare it to the very different activity of sailing a monohull. When we sailed on the PDQ 36, my wife couldn't even see the point of it. We might as well have been on a powerboat...a really slow one. With the 35s5 we have a boat that's fun and can cruise on our weekend trips or longer. Hell, I posted a link to folks cruising around the world in one. They seem to be doing fine! Based on your criteria you have the ONLY boat here suitable for cruising in this group BTW. The 35s5 has a proven record of blue water sailing AND it has a larger interior than most of the other boats here. So it looks like only you and Joe can go to sea! What a laugh. Face it, Jeff. It's check and mate. You lost. I won't even begin to bash the idiotic idea of comparing the 35s5 directly to dinghy sailing. Hell, I got yelled at for even suggesting it earlier. People who love the shape of boats rarely love a monohull, Jeff. Good luck, RB 35s5 NY |
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Changing cooking fuels is a very extensive project in that the tanks,
the tank locker, the hose, the regulator, and the burner orifices must be changed. This is not a do-it-yourself project. Only qualified service technicians should perform the work. The parts for the job are less than 125. The original locker vents fine for CNG...not always the case of course. A larger tank bracket is being glassed in by yard, no charge. Cooking times will be reduced as CNG is not as space effective. We prefer to do most of our cooking on deck via the Force 10 grill, so the stove/oven will see little use anyway, unless the weather is bad. RB 35s5 NY |
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Yeah I know Oz, rumor is they dont let you guys have guns either.
Joe |
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"Commode Joe wrote in ... On 28 Nov 2005 12:14:02 -0800, "Joe" wrote: Yeah I was wondering what sky he pulled that one out of myself. Propane is not a problem unless your brain dead and unable to maintain a system properly. Joe I guess that means I can't have propane! Commode Joe You are not brain dead, you are brainless. |
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OzOne wrote in message ... On 28 Nov 2005 12:14:02 -0800, "Joe" scribbled thusly: Yeah I was wondering what sky he pulled that one out of myself. Propane is not a problem unless your brain dead and unable to maintain a system properly. Joe Not allowed to maintain LPG systems here unless licenced to do so....too bloody dangerous having people do their own work. Also, the system must be certified safe at regular intervals, usually 3 or 4 years for insurance. Cylinders retested or replaced every 10 years, must be galv on a boat. What about Al.? SV |
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But Bob is changing FROM propane TO CNG. Your site talks about
the opposite. CNG is a much safer and cleaner burning fuel. Scotty "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... You need to be careful if you're going to do this... http://www.sabreyachts.com/owner_resources/faq.php Q. How do I go about changing the stove in my boat from CNG to propane? A. Many owners inquire about making a change from CNG to propane fuel for the galley stove. The main reason given is that propane is more widely available and it is sometimes preferred despite CNG's safer properties. (CNG is lighter than air and thus escapes from the yacht's interior. Propane sinks to the boats bilges if it escapes from the system.) Changing cooking fuels is a very extensive project in that the tanks, the tank locker, the hose, the regulator, and the burner orifices must be changed. This is not a do-it-yourself project. Only qualified service technicians should perform the work. The commonly available sizes of propane tanks will not fit in the same tank locker designed for CNG tanks. Although Sabre fabricates fiberglass tank lockers for our CNG systems, these are not retrofitable. They will not fit though a cockpit locker opening which was created for the original installation. It is also worth noting that Sabre fiberglasses these lockers in place, the only exception being the Sabre 362. We recommend that any Sabre owner who has a Regal CNG stove and wishes to pursue this switch, start by contacting www.seawardproducts.com. They offer kits for switching the burner orifices. Unfortunately, the changing of the burner parts is only the first part of this project. The rest of the work should be discussed with experienced service personnel. If you're a subscriber to Practical Sailor magazine, you may recall (or wish to look up) their June 1, 1994 edition. On the last page is their response to a letter in which they discuss this subject. Looking for CNG? Try www.corpbrothers.com -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com... But this leaves the question, if you remove the propane, how do you run the stove? It's called CNG, Jeff. Costs 200 dollars to set it up with our current stove. But, you just bragged about a "dual use" system, now you're claiming its so dangerous you're removing it. Another lie from Jeff. We're changing it. Actually, I'd even agree that if I were to live at the dock year round Holy backpedal Batman!!! think you were quite explicit when you said: "We really loved the boat, but could not find one that hadn't been raced to death." Yep, old sails and worse ruined cushions from wet sails dumped on them again and again. One needed updated running rigging along with new cushions. One of the four boats had some of the interior removed, such as the table. But the boats were generally solid and looked fine. Raced to death doesn't mean a bad boat...it can be cosmetics which can cost a fortune. Go price new cushions and sails. As usual you're clueless and jump to conclusions. BTW of the four we looked at over the last 3 months, only one remains unsold! And all sold for more than what we paid. The one with the bad deck sold for exactly what we paid! Right, it really hurt me when you said my boat doesn't heel. What other faults did you find - too much ventilation? According to you, when you want to have some sailing fun you go sail a dinghy. We all know that the PDQ 36 is something less than fun to sail. Folks who love to sail buy 35s5's, or even Express 30's, Jeff. Nobody equates "sporting fun" with sailing a PDQ 36. NO ONE. Not eve n you. When we go sailing with family, with friends or just the three of us we like to be on a boat that's fun, a boat that heels and can get our blood pumping. We don't want to be on a river raft. That's what you like and that's fine, but don't compare it to the very different activity of sailing a monohull. When we sailed on the PDQ 36, my wife couldn't even see the point of it. We might as well have been on a powerboat...a really slow one. With the 35s5 we have a boat that's fun and can cruise on our weekend trips or longer. Hell, I posted a link to folks cruising around the world in one. They seem to be doing fine! Based on your criteria you have the ONLY boat here suitable for cruising in this group BTW. The 35s5 has a proven record of blue water sailing AND it has a larger interior than most of the other boats here. So it looks like only you and Joe can go to sea! What a laugh. Face it, Jeff. It's check and mate. You lost. I won't even begin to bash the idiotic idea of comparing the 35s5 directly to dinghy sailing. Hell, I got yelled at for even suggesting it earlier. People who love the shape of boats rarely love a monohull, Jeff. Good luck, RB 35s5 NY |
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Hmmm... well, if you're not going to use it much, why bother with the
expense... -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com... Changing cooking fuels is a very extensive project in that the tanks, the tank locker, the hose, the regulator, and the burner orifices must be changed. This is not a do-it-yourself project. Only qualified service technicians should perform the work. The parts for the job are less than 125. The original locker vents fine for CNG...not always the case of course. A larger tank bracket is being glassed in by yard, no charge. Cooking times will be reduced as CNG is not as space effective. We prefer to do most of our cooking on deck via the Force 10 grill, so the stove/oven will see little use anyway, unless the weather is bad. RB 35s5 NY |
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