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OzOne wrote in message
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On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:41:20 -0500, "Scotty"

scribbled thusly:

Any idea why? We have lots of Al tanks.

Scotty

None.
We use ally for Oxy and pest gases, Nitrogen and a few others,
but
none in LPG that I've seen.

Maybe because the steel tanks coming in from Asia make it
uneconomical
to bother.

I get forktrucks from Korea every month and they come with a
small 'shipping' Alum. propane tank.

Scotty

OzOne wrote in message
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On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:18:00 -0500, "Scotty"

scribbled thusly:

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
roups.com...
Changing cooking fuels is a very extensive project in that
the
tanks,
the
tank locker, the hose, the regulator, and the burner
orifices
must be
changed. This is not a do-it-yourself project. Only
qualified
service
technicians should perform the work.

The parts for the job are less than 125.

Have you priced a CNG tank? regulator?

Hey maybe I could start shipping the ones we pull out back over
there...we scrap em here and the boys have a nice little CNG
heater
set up in their lunch room to empty the gas remaining in the
cylinders.

yeah but, they have to be inspected/tested every so often.

Scotty

So, when you sail downwind do you place all crew on the rail to
induce heal?

I rarely sail dead downwind, so there's always some heel. I love the
feeling of a boat heeling, taking a set and off she goes. I've sailed a
PDQ 36 and the Gemini cat as well. They don't offer that sensation or
any real sailing sensations at all. Racing cats are another matter.
Sailing a tricked out Hobie 16 this summer when we rented a house in NC
was fantastic!

RB
35s5
NY

OzOne wrote in message
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On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:43:32 -0500, "Scotty"

scribbled thusly:

There are several right in my sailing area. Also, you can
exchange them via UPS.

Scotty

Crazy!
About the only use for CNG here is buses and forklifts.

Natural gas is piped into most homes here and factories with
high use
CNG put in a compressor to compress the NG into a liquid for
refills.

The tech may get into homes, but it'll take a big cut in the
cost of
compressors seeing that LPG is available at most servos these
days.

there's even 'gas stations' in most cities that sell CNG at the
pump ( for CNG cars).

SV

Capt. Rob wrote:

think you were quite explicit when you said: "We really loved the
boat, but could not find one that hadn't been raced to death."

Yep, old sails and worse ruined cushions from wet sails dumped on them
again and again. One needed updated running rigging along with new
cushions. One of the four boats had some of the interior removed, such
as the table. But the boats were generally solid and looked fine. Raced
to death doesn't mean a bad boat...it can be cosmetics which can cost a
fortune. Go price new cushions and sails. As usual you're clueless and
jump to conclusions. BTW of the four we looked at over the last 3
months, only one remains unsold! And all sold for more than what we
paid. The one with the bad deck sold for exactly what we paid!

blah blah blah ...
Do you really think anyone believes your "I bought it for half price
and then sold it for triple" stories? Gawd, what a jackass!

Right, it really hurt me when you said my boat doesn't heel. What
other faults did you find - too much ventilation?

According to you, when you want to have some sailing fun you go sail a
dinghy.

No, I said when I wanted the experience of heeling and holding a
tiller I sail a dinghy.

We all know that the PDQ 36 is something less than fun to sail.
Folks who love to sail buy 35s5's, or even Express 30's, Jeff. Nobody
equates "sporting fun" with sailing a PDQ 36. NO ONE. Not even you.

Gee, I think doing 12 to 14 knots for a few hours straight is a lot of
fun. So is doing 100 miles in a day. I know you think sailing in the
same 2 square miles for your entire life is fun, but I outgrew that
about 30 years ago.

When we go sailing with family, with friends or just the three of us we
like to be on a boat that's fun, a boat that heels and can get our
blood pumping. We don't want to be on a river raft. That's what you
like and that's fine, but don't compare it to the very different
activity of sailing a monohull. When we sailed on the PDQ 36, my wife
couldn't even see the point of it. We might as well have been on a
powerboat...a really slow one.

You probably weren't on a PDQ at all - its more likely you just made
up the story.

With the 35s5 we have a boat that's fun and can cruise on our weekend
trips or longer. Hell, I posted a link to folks cruising around the
world in one. They seem to be doing fine! Based on your criteria you
have the ONLY boat here suitable for cruising in this group BTW.

I never said that, I only said its better than yours. And thats what
this is about. You want everyone in the entire world to agree that
your boat is the best for every purpose and that every other boat made
sucks by comparison.

And frankly, your boat is fairly nice for some purposes, not so good
for others. But your continued groveling has convinced me (and
everyone else here) that A. you simply don't know anything about
boats, and 2. you're terrified that your bendy is the piece of ****
that you always claimed it was.

So keep trying to claim you have the best boat ever made, Booby.
Every time you do it everyone looks at you a thinks you're a pathetic
little loser.

And what makes you think I have no sense of humor?

Do you really think anyone believes your "I bought it for half price
and then sold it for triple" stories? Gawd, what a jackass!

Uh, this is your response to the boats that were "raced hard?"

Gee, I think doing 12 to 14 knots for a few hours straight is a lot
of
fun. So is doing 100 miles in a day.

This was probably Doug's reasoning to buy a powerboat. You're actually
suggesting that sailing your boat is as entertaining as sailing a fast
monohull? Or as challenging? Puh-lease!

You want everyone in the entire world to agree that
your boat is the best for every purpose and that every other boat made
sucks by comparison.

Actually, and in all honesty, I don't think Moorons, or even Sloco's
boat sucks. Sloco's Express is old, but it can be kick ass fun.
Mooron's boat is probably a real pleasure in certain conditions. But I
do think your boat sucks for a family who wants to enjoy the thrill of
sailing...simply because it's pedestrian and offers no thrills. That's
the damn selling point of the thing! No heeling, dryer ride, greater
comfort and so on. It's not what most sailors want or dream about. And
anyone looking to do a little racing is certanly left out.

So keep trying to claim you have the best boat ever made, Booby.

Never said that, Jeff. I said it was the best boat here. And that's a
fact. You're not taking your PDQ any distances now. Have you used it
much this season? A fast fun monohull like mine would suit you better.
Mooron can make a case because he likes full keelers. And here's
another thing that sucks about your boat: It offers no workout. When we
took out the 35s5 we found we could sail it easy, or push things an get
a real workout on her. Can you do that with the PDQ? Sure, set up a
Bowflex on the deck. Sorry, Jeff. We like sailing and the work and
"discomforts" associated with that. To us the PDQ was about as
interesting as a Trawler.

And what makes you think I have no sense of humor?

Because you've yet to compliment me on my wit and skills trolling this
group. You actually have no idea who I am or even if I have a
boat...yet all of you scamper around me like frustrated seal pups! And
THAT'S funny!

RB
35s5...a better boat than Jeff's.
NY

OzOne wrote in message
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On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:11:06 -0500, "Scotty"

scribbled thusly:

I get forktrucks from Korea every month and they come with a
small 'shipping' Alum. propane tank.

Scotty

Never seen one.
Are they refillable or more like those one shot LPG cylinders
you get
at the supermarket?

Yeah, standard LPG tank, only half the normal size, and Ally.
They only fill them 10% and we have to return them.

I met a guy on the weekend who imports forks here, I'll ask him
when I
see him next if that's how they arrive here.

These are from Daewoo ( now bought out by Doosan).

Scotty

Capt. Rob wrote:
Do you really think anyone believes your "I bought it for half price
and then sold it for triple" stories? Gawd, what a jackass!

Uh, this is your response to the boats that were "raced hard?"

No. It was a response to your claim that you paid less than what was
paid for all the bene's that had fallen apart already.

And speaking of falling apart, how's this for that warm and fuzzy feeling?
http://www.beneteau235.com/f235_rudder.htm

Gee, I think doing 12 to 14 knots for a few hours straight is a lot
of
fun. So is doing 100 miles in a day.

This was probably Doug's reasoning to buy a powerboat. You're actually
suggesting that sailing your boat is as entertaining as sailing a fast
monohull?

You've never sailed a cat at speed, so what do you know?

Or as challenging? Puh-lease!

You've already claimed that you didn't know how to sail the cat.
They're not for everyone, you actually have to know how to sail.

But still, riding a high performance boat for 30 minutes is different
from a 50 mile spinnaker run. Someday, if your health improves, you
may be able to do something like that.

....

So keep trying to claim you have the best boat ever made, Booby.

Never said that, Jeff. I said it was the best boat here. And that's a
fact. You're not taking your PDQ any distances now. Have you used it
much this season?

I've said a number of times that the cat is a bit of overkill for how
we use it now. However, we're already planning our next long trip, it
may only be a couple of years off. And we're still arranging the
schedule for next summer, but we want 3-4 weeks in Maine so we can get
Down East again.

And yes, we did use it a lot this season. We were out for 6 weeks
plus a couple of weekends. We had guests join us for more than one
night on three occasions. None had ever spent a night on a boat
before. With 3 generous staterooms everyone gets a quality berth.
Every night was spent at anchor or on a mooring, most meals were
prepared on board. We have no A/C and yet, it was never horrific.

A fast fun monohull like mine would suit you better.

No, it wouldn't, not a chance. You just don't understand the type of
boating we do. We went out for two daysails last summer, one was a
"tuneup" and the other was with an old friend who is so agoraphobic
she wouldn't go out of sight of the downtown waterfront. (It actually
a big step - the first time she's been out with us in about 15 years!)

Every other sail was for a cruise that took us 50 to 150 miles away.
Although there were a number of small hops, the "traveling days"
averaged 50 miles. We traveled almost every day we had planned, only
adjusting for hurricane remnants. If the wind was light, we powered,
otherwise we sailed. If the wind was strong and the seas rough, we
still forged ahead. (Now that I think of it, I can't remember a time
that we went out and then completely punted on the day.)

Much of the time we were hanging out in places like Hadley's Harbor,
Red Brook, Vineyard Haven, P'town, or Misery Island. We had our
rowing/sailing dink, plus a tandem kayak with us. We got to swim and
play, the dog swam and ran on the beach every day ... we had a blast.
And being able to bring a friend makes all the difference for our
daughter!

What if we had your boat? The traveling would have taken longer. On
those several days when the ride was rough we would have had a really
nasty ride. I can drive my boat for 6 hours in any weather and still
feel refreshed, you can't do that on your boat. Maybe your boat would
be more fun for some of the sailing; it would be a lot less fun other
times. A daysailor gets to say it doesn't look like a good day. When
you come out of the Cape Cod Canal and there's no turning back, and no
harbor for 20 miles, you have to be able to take what it gives.

And when you get to your destination, which boat is more comfortable?
Its not even close. You spend virtually all your time either tied up
at the marina or sailing, then you go home. We spend the great
majority of our time swinging at an anchor. Good grief! You've been
touting A/C as a replacement for ventilation! You've been bragging
about an electric stove!

I appreciate that having a baby has slowed you down some. But even
the year after ours was born we still went to the Vineyard in our 30
footer.

Mooron can make a case because he likes full keelers. And here's
another thing that sucks about your boat: It offers no workout. When we
took out the 35s5 we found we could sail it easy, or push things an get
a real workout on her. Can you do that with the PDQ?

So now you're complaining that my boat is too easy to sail fast? OK,
sure, that's part of what I like about it. I can raise the chute and
be doing over 10 knots without breaking a sweat. If I want excitement
I do it singlehanded.

I considered that a great advantage - your boat can almost keep up
with mine in winds over 12 knots, but only if you have a crew to
handle the chute. Racers are measured by what they can do with 6
people on board; cruisers often only have 1 on deck.

Sure, set up a
Bowflex on the deck. Sorry, Jeff. We like sailing and the work and
"discomforts" associated with that. To us the PDQ was about as
interesting as a Trawler.

You just didn't sail it. I doubt you were on it at all. Did you
raise the chute? What kind was it?

And what makes you think I have no sense of humor?

Because you've yet to compliment me on my wit and skills trolling this
group. You actually have no idea who I am or even if I have a
boat...yet all of you scamper around me like frustrated seal pups! And
THAT'S funny!

Sorry bob, you're the one who's been on the hook all this time. For
every post I've made, you've done ten. And you're still stuck with a
bendy toy!

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!

RB ...a better boob
NY

No. It was a response to your claim that you paid less than what was
paid for all the bene's that had fallen apart already.

Actually, we paid about the same or less. But the fact that many people
who want to race the boat and could care less about cushions has a lot
to do with that.

So now you're complaining that my boat is too easy to sail fast?

Easy as in boring = dull. Yup. Just buy a powerboat.

I've said a number of times that the cat is a bit of overkill for
how
we use it now.

Well that's honest. So now we can all agree that we have the better
boat for our purposes. Thanks, it's the point I've been trying to make
all along.

And when you get to your destination, which boat is more comfortable?

Its not even close.

Generally the larger one, which is yours. Bart, Gary and Ozzy also have
larger boats. But it's not what WE need.

I can raise the chute and
be doing over 10 knots without breaking a sweat. If I want excitement
I do it singlehanded.

Bwahahahahahhahahahaha! Oh man that is reallllly funnny!

Sorry bob, you're the one who's been on the hook all this time.

And yet I start just about EVERY thread with the intention of provoking
these debates again and again. In fact, they're just about ALL started
by me and the ones that aren't are ABOUT me...like this one!
Get a clue, stop sniffing glue, Jeff! You're not only on my hook and in
my net...your swimming in my ocean! Even Mooron would have to admit
that.

And you're still stuck with a
bendy toy!

It's a little late for that sort of post and insult Donal's or my boat.
You already said twice that it was a good choice.
So you LIKE my boat and I DON'T like yours. Whatsda bigga deal, eh?
Just live with it!

RB
35s5....on my own hook!
NY

Capt. Rob wrote:

I've said a number of times that the cat is a bit of overkill for
how
we use it now.

Well that's honest. So now we can all agree that we have the better
boat for our purposes. Thanks, it's the point I've been trying to make
all along.

Way to go Bob, you snipped everything about how we actually spent 6
weeks on the boat last summer.

How much time did you spend on your boat???

What's that? I can't hear you?

And when you get to your destination, which boat is more comfortable?

Its not even close.

Generally the larger one, which is yours. Bart, Gary and Ozzy also have
larger boats. But it's not what WE need.

So mow you're measuring my boat by what you need? What's the point of
that? Did I ever claim my boat would be better for you?

....

And you're still stuck with a
bendy toy!

It's a little late for that sort of post and insult Donal's or my boat.
You already said twice that it was a good choice.
So you LIKE my boat

No, I really, really don't like your boat. When we want a laugh we
talk about bendies we've been on. Sorry Bob, that's the honest truth.
Your's might be somewhat better than the ones that formed those
opinions, but its the truth.

I just admitted that its the right choice for you.

and I DON'T like yours. Whatsda bigga deal, eh?
Just live with it!

We all have to live with our choices. Next summer when we're anchored
he
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=stonin...9501&t=k&hl=en
you'll be sitting in your apartment watching reruns.

RB
35s5....on my own horrific hook!
NY