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yeah you boobsie.
Go ahead send your money to the Japs and the French. You will go thru daddys money in no time and little Thom will be stuck in America without jobs, or a future in Mfg, he will be unable to find work unless he wants to work for the Chinese. Go ahead and trash your son future, no sence in supporting American companies. Train him how to suck up to the Japs and French and to dis anything American. Keep renting low end junk cars and calling all GM's junk mooron. For an extra 20 bucks a day you could of rented a Caddy or a crossfire a corvette ect....but just like your boat why pay for quality when you can get it with cheap disposable thin skined crap. Your Jap cars are crap and your French boats stinks, It's World Famous for being cheap. To bad you could not afford a quality boat like a Pacific Seacraft. You should move to France BTW, you would fit in perfectly. Joe |
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Your Jap cars are crap and your French boats stinks, It's World Famous
for being cheap. To bad you could not afford a quality boat like a Pacific Seacraft. Joe, I'm not going to buy junk just to support cars and boats that don't measure up. If the US wants to compete with Honda and Beneteau, they better get thier asses in gear. A Pacific Seacraft is a good boat, but not suited to the type of sailing most people do. Hunter and Catalina are the only two builders truly competing with Beneteau and I'm sad to say the designs are just weak vs. the Europeans. The only boat that competes with my 35s5 are the new C&Cs fer cripes sake! Get into a Lincoln Navigator and go for a drive. Then try my Subaru Tribeca, which is not only a better quiter ride, but safer in a crash. The US carmakers should be ashamed of what they've allowed to happen. I've driven the Crossfire and last year's Vette. To bad a 33K Subaru STI is still better than either. Hell, when we spend big on a boat we STILL won't buy American! RB 35s5 NY |
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Capt. Rob wrote:
Your Jap cars are crap and your French boats stinks, It's World Famous for being cheap. To bad you could not afford a quality boat like a Pacific Seacraft. Joe, I'm not going to buy junk just to support cars and boats that don't measure up. If the US wants to compete with Honda and Beneteau, they better get thier asses in gear. A Pacific Seacraft is a good boat, but not suited to the type of sailing most people do. Hunter and Catalina are the only two builders truly competing with Beneteau and I'm sad to say the designs are just weak vs. the Europeans. The only boat that competes with my 35s5 are the new C&Cs fer cripes sake! Get into a Lincoln Navigator and go for a drive. Then try my Subaru Tribeca, which is not only a better quiter ride, but safer in a crash. The US carmakers should be ashamed of what they've allowed to happen. I've driven the Crossfire and last year's Vette. To bad a 33K Subaru STI is still better than either. Hell, when we spend big on a boat we STILL won't buy American! RB 35s5 NY I don't understand why you are going on at such length about this boat and hacking everyone elses? It's quite clear that you are enamoured with your new boat and you should be. It's also clear that you are not fond of the Nordica; who cares? Ugly boats, like women, always find someone. Who is it that said they don't judge boat by SA/D or LWL but by the size of the white slash the cut across an ocean? Just go sailing already. Brag about where you have taken it, not about the shape of it's stern, or the teak laminate honeycombed whatever the #%%$*. |
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Then try my Subaru Tribeca, which is not only a better quiter ride,
but safer in a crash. Prove it. |
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Then try my Subaru Tribeca, which is not only a better quiter ride,
but safer in a crash. Prove it. Go see for yourself. The Tribeca has a quieter cabin than the Lexus RX330, has best handling in it's class, has traction and stability control and full time AWD. It just scored 5 stars on all points in crash tests, beating all other SUVs and certainly all cars. It has the highest side impact safety rating of ANY car or SUV under 5000 lbs. At 125 MPH it's stable and all you hear is the wind...much like the Lexus which is equal in most areas. Your "car" isn't even close to this level and it's old...just like your boat! It's only been two seasons and we're already getting the new STI. You are one pathetic dude! RB 35s5 NY |
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It's also clear that you are not
fond of the Nordica; who cares? I've always said that I liked the Nordica. In fact, when I rated people's boats here I rated at or close to #1. That was before I had the First 35s5 which makes everyone elses boat seem like floating turdcakes with popsicle sticks for masts! I don't understand why you are going on at such length about this boat and hacking everyone elses? For the reactions. I could really care less about who owns what. ALL production boats below Swans, Shannons and Baltics are all about the same. And that includes boats from Sabre and Tartan. But these mega-morons are so thin-skinned, such simpletons, that I can lead them around my the leash at will. Look at poor Loco, Jeff, Doug! These straight men have been garuffing all over themselves like characters from Dickens for years! And all because I say things like "Nah nah, my boat is better than yours!" Can you imagine? The irony is beyond them. I'm playing a game, but their anger is real, exposing how material they truly are. And BOY does THAT make them mad! Some folks here "get it." Mooron, Ozzy, Scotty...they pretty much play when it suits them. I pay them less attention because I know they're in on the gag. Look at the posts from Jeff or John Cairns...do you detect any sense of humor on these poor blokes? Loco Sloco is the all time champ. He's made a royal ass of himself so many times the Queen i ready to have him knighted! And don't let anyone tell you different...I DROVE Doug into buying a trawler. RB 35s5....the better boat! NY |
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Can you imagine? The irony is beyond them. I'm playing a game, but
their anger is real, exposing how material they truly are. And BOY does THAT make them mad! . LOL............... Nobody's mad Boobie. Everybody just gets a kick out of proving you wrong. Beneteau ........ European Hunter. |
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Everybody just gets a kick out
of proving you wrong. See what I mean? How can I be wrong when everything I post is a troll? Where's my boat, Sloco? RB 35s5 NY |
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Capt. Rob wrote:
It's also clear that you are not fond of the Nordica; who cares? I've always said that I liked the Nordica. In fact, when I rated people's boats here I rated at or close to #1. That was before I had the First 35s5 which makes everyone elses boat seem like floating turdcakes with popsicle sticks for masts! I don't understand why you are going on at such length about this boat and hacking everyone elses? For the reactions. I could really care less about who owns what. ALL production boats below Swans, Shannons and Baltics are all about the same. And that includes boats from Sabre and Tartan. But these mega-morons are so thin-skinned, such simpletons, that I can lead them around my the leash at will. Look at poor Loco, Jeff, Doug! These straight men have been garuffing all over themselves like characters from Dickens for years! And all because I say things like "Nah nah, my boat is better than yours!" Can you imagine? The irony is beyond them. I'm playing a game, but their anger is real, exposing how material they truly are. And BOY does THAT make them mad! Some folks here "get it." Mooron, Ozzy, Scotty...they pretty much play when it suits them. I pay them less attention because I know they're in on the gag. Look at the posts from Jeff or John Cairns...do you detect any sense of humor on these poor blokes? Loco Sloco is the all time champ. He's made a royal ass of himself so many times the Queen i ready to have him knighted! And don't let anyone tell you different...I DROVE Doug into buying a trawler. RB 35s5....the better boat! NY So you're just being an asshole for fun? |
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Your "car" isn't even close to this level and it's old.
Do a web search nimrod. The LS was voted one of the 5 safest cars of all time. has best handling in it's class LOL every review I saw said the handeling was too soft and it was squirrely at speed. Listed onder "cons" was handeling. Keep trolling. Another review said it handeled like a bus on the highway. On top of all that EVERY reviewer said the styling was ummmmmmmmm unique. In other words ugly. I guess that's why you bought it. |
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"Gary" wrote RB 35s5....the limo version of the Mac26X! NY So you're just being an asshole for fun? No, he's an asshole naturally, but he tries to make the best of it. SBV |
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LOL every review I saw said the handeling was too soft and it was
squirrely at speed. Uh....EVERY review? EVERY review but one comments on the Tribeca's handling being top of the class! I can give you a link to ALL reviews if you like, but here are a few major ones..... Motor Trend Magazine "The Tribeca doesn't mind being tossed around, as reflected in its 61.2-mph slalom speed, which is faster than that of the X5 3.0i, Pilot, Murano, and even the V-8 Touareg. The B9 has rack-and-pinion steering with variable power assist; it's responsive without being twitchy or feeling too light. Not bad for a two ton family SUV!" MotorTrends.com "Drop the hammer, and the B9 steps off briskly enough to discount Subaru's 8.0-second 0-to-60-mph estimate as at least a half-second conservative. A front strut/rear multilink suspension was tuned to closely match the handling dynamics of the BMW, while softening the suspension settings for improved ride quality. Fat 255/55R18 Goodyear Eagles match the size of the X5's sport suspension tires. An hour behind the wheel afforded few twisty sections, but each was threaded with aplomb and minimal body roll." Car & Driver "With communicative steering, four-wheel disc brakes with ABS, and big footprints, the B9 is impressively flat through turns and treats passengers to a compliant ride that still offers enough firmness to encourage you to take the back roads to Woodstock." Nice research Sloco! RB 35s5 NY |
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So you're just being an asshole for fun?
Please look at Sloco or Jeff's responses...it's a sport! RB 35s5 NY |
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Gary wrote:
.... Some folks here "get it." Mooron, Ozzy, Scotty...they pretty much play when it suits them. I pay them less attention because I know they're in on the gag. Look at the posts from Jeff or John Cairns...do you detect any sense of humor on these poor blokes? Loco Sloco is the all time champ. He's made a royal ass of himself so many times the Queen i ready to have him knighted! And don't let anyone tell you different...I DROVE Doug into buying a trawler. RB 35s5....the better boat! NY So you're just being an asshole for fun? Its the role model he chosen for his kid. But at least its a step up from his true personality. |
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So you're just being an asshole for fun?
Its the role model he chosen for his kid. Hey, Gary. Note that Jeff is so humorless he's now trolling using people's kids. You won't find a post from me using Jeff's kids. In case you wanted to know why Jeff gets his ass kicked here most days, it's because I may "play" an ass on these boards...but he's one in real life. I can keep it down to boats and wives! The amazing thing is that I always end up on the high road because Jeff, Doug and Sloco are driven to the depths. And remember...when Jeff wants "sailing fun" he gets off his PDQ and sails a dinghy...but he liked his boat for SOME reason! RB 35s5...the better boat! NY |
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Bob is the one with no sense of humor. He has no idea that the entire
group has been laughing at him thrash around as he tries to convince himself that he didn't waste Suzy's money on her new boat! Just remember, his highest priority was a large berth, but what he actually got was an unventilated cave you have to crawl into. And worse, he claims that sleeping on board would be "horrific"! And the galley is so unusable the PO added an electric hotplate rather than use the stove. Stop Bob, you're cracking us up!!! Capt. Rob wrote: So you're just being an asshole for fun? Its the role model he chosen for his kid. Hey, Gary. Note that Jeff is so humorless he's now trolling using people's kids. You won't find a post from me using Jeff's kids. In case you wanted to know why Jeff gets his ass kicked here most days, it's because I may "play" an ass on these boards...but he's one in real life. I can keep it down to boats and wives! The amazing thing is that I always end up on the high road because Jeff, Doug and Sloco are driven to the depths. And remember...when Jeff wants "sailing fun" he gets off his PDQ and sails a dinghy...but he liked his boat for SOME reason! RB 35s5...the better boat! NY |
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And the
galley is so unusable the PO added an electric hotplate rather than use the stove. Watch out for Jeff, Gary. He'll go to ANY level to troll. For example: How does a dual power stove make cooking easier? He says unventelated but we have air conditioning and two zone venting for it. Jeff doesn't even seem to know that a small genset easily runs the AC on those rare, but nasty opressive days! Also note the word "waste" after Jeff already admitted we bought a good boat for the area purposes. The poor fool ****es on himself on a regular basis. Ooops! Jeff got busted again! Hnt for Jeff....keep track of your previous posts! RB 35s5 NY |
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Capt. Rob wrote:
And the galley is so unusable the PO added an electric hotplate rather than use the stove. Watch out for Jeff, Gary. He'll go to ANY level to troll. Any level??? I'll even use the truth! For example: How does a dual power stove make cooking easier? Dual power? If you have a propane system that you trust, what good is an electric system that only works dockside? He says unventelated but we have air conditioning and two zone venting for it. There's a true cruiser for you: "We don't need ventilation because we A/C!" And he says without A/C it would be "horrific"! Bob's concept of "cruising" is hopping 3 miles over to Capri West! Jeff doesn't even seem to know that a small genset easily runs the AC on those rare, but nasty opressive days! Bob said August would be "horrific." I agree that without ventilation it would be, on his boat. Mine has 8 overhead hatches, plus 8 opening side hatches. As for gensets, is Bob saying that he would install a proper genset and run it all night? Or that he would keep a portable on deck and fire it up to make coffee in the morning? Either way, he'll be the jackass that real cruisers in the anchorage hate. Also note the word "waste" after Jeff already admitted we bought a good boat for the area purposes. I said the boat is a nice daysailer/club racer. Maybe it would be nice for one or two overnights. Bob insists its a great cruiser. At this point Bob cites owners that have done "extensive" cruising and love it. That's fine. I used to cruise an Eastwind (similar to Cape Dory 25) and loved it. I also cruised an Irwin, and while the boat was a piece of crap, I loved the cruising. People use all sorts of boats in all sorts of ways. The fact that they do it doesn't mean that its a great boat for the purpose. The poor fool ****es on himself on a regular basis. Bob's speaking about himself here. He claims that a medical condition prevent him from going out overnight. Ooops! Jeff got busted again! Hnt for Jeff....keep track of your previous posts! Bob is the one who seems uncertain about his purchase, I really couldn't care less. He's spent 20% overvalue for the boat, then paid another 5% to ship it up. If he doesn't use it and sells it soon, it may work out. But he's already told us how after a a few seasons of racing they can't pass survey, so he's out on a limb with this one. Sorry Bob, you're sounding like a Republican here; you keep telling the bull**** hoping someone will believe. |
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Watch out for Jeff, Gary. He'll go to ANY level to troll.
Any level??? I'll even use the truth! Except there is no hotplate. Oops...you lied. If you have a propane system that you trust, what good is an electric system that only works dockside? More lies. I've already posted we're converting the system. Propane does not belong on a boat. Mine has 8 overhead hatches, plus 8 opening side hatches. Lie #3 from Jeff. Jeff ALREADY ADMITTED that he's had some oppressive nights on his boat. I bet if he was honest he'd admit that air conditioning would be nice on occasion. I'd really prefer to skip those oppressive nights and flip the switch, esepcially since AC came with our boat. He claims that a medical condition prevent him from going out overnight. This has been the case at times, sadly. He's spent 20% overvalue for the boat, then paid another 5% to ship it up. Yet another lie. We paid aprox 8K below market and 5 K below 3 35s5's sold recently. And we have what is probably the nicest example with new gear. But he's already told us how after a a few seasons of racing they can't pass survey, so he's out on a limb with this one. Another lie. Jeff can't post a link to my saying any such thing. I found a single boat out of four with a deck problem after a mast was dropped on it. So, Jeff lies and lies. What drives him batty is that I can be so brutal about his boat and do it with honest comments, while he has to make stuff up...and do it badly at that! HE SAID that for sailing fun he goes to play with his dinghy. So he admits that PDQ aint a whole lot of fun. Truth...even if he won't admit to it after admitting to it! RB 35s5 NY |
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Propane doesn't belong on a boat?? Why's that? It works perfectly and safely
if it's installed properly and you know how to use it... the former is a prerequisite for insurance, the latter obvious. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt. Rob" wrote in message ups.com... Watch out for Jeff, Gary. He'll go to ANY level to troll. Any level??? I'll even use the truth! Except there is no hotplate. Oops...you lied. If you have a propane system that you trust, what good is an electric system that only works dockside? More lies. I've already posted we're converting the system. Propane does not belong on a boat. Mine has 8 overhead hatches, plus 8 opening side hatches. Lie #3 from Jeff. Jeff ALREADY ADMITTED that he's had some oppressive nights on his boat. I bet if he was honest he'd admit that air conditioning would be nice on occasion. I'd really prefer to skip those oppressive nights and flip the switch, esepcially since AC came with our boat. He claims that a medical condition prevent him from going out overnight. This has been the case at times, sadly. He's spent 20% overvalue for the boat, then paid another 5% to ship it up. Yet another lie. We paid aprox 8K below market and 5 K below 3 35s5's sold recently. And we have what is probably the nicest example with new gear. But he's already told us how after a a few seasons of racing they can't pass survey, so he's out on a limb with this one. Another lie. Jeff can't post a link to my saying any such thing. I found a single boat out of four with a deck problem after a mast was dropped on it. So, Jeff lies and lies. What drives him batty is that I can be so brutal about his boat and do it with honest comments, while he has to make stuff up...and do it badly at that! HE SAID that for sailing fun he goes to play with his dinghy. So he admits that PDQ aint a whole lot of fun. Truth...even if he won't admit to it after admitting to it! RB 35s5 NY |
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Yeah I was wondering what sky he pulled that one out of myself.
Propane is not a problem unless your brain dead and unable to maintain a system properly. Joe |
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Capt. Rob wrote:
Watch out for Jeff, Gary. He'll go to ANY level to troll. Any level??? I'll even use the truth! Except there is no hotplate. Oops...you lied. Well, I don't think you identified the model - it looked like a stove top plunked down on top of the built in stove. If you have a propane system that you trust, what good is an electric system that only works dockside? More lies. I've already posted we're converting the system. Propane does not belong on a boat. But, you just bragged about a "dual use" system, now you're claiming its so dangerous you're removing it. Actually, I have no problem with those who think propane is unsafe, though I think there are very few problem when its properly installed. I only have one appliance, the stove, and its not even gimbaled so there's one continuous hose from the locker. Also, the locker is vented not just by a small tube, but with an opening of about 6 square inches. But this leaves the question, if you remove the propane, how do you run the stove? You can dance around this all day, but firing up a genset to make coffee in the morning is not ideal for a small cruising boat. Mine has 8 overhead hatches, plus 8 opening side hatches. Lie #3 from Jeff. Jeff ALREADY ADMITTED that he's had some oppressive nights on his boat. I bet if he was honest he'd admit that air conditioning would be nice on occasion. I'd really prefer to skip those oppressive nights and flip the switch, esepcially since AC came with our boat. And again Bob tries to bull**** his way out of this. What I said is that in staying dockside for most of a year in FL there were a few nights that were oppressive. Actually, I'd even agree that if I were to live at the dock year round I might opt for A/C, though might wife might veto it. However, I've never had any desire or need for A/C while cruising. Running a genset all night to power A/C on a small boat in an anchorage is an abomination. Its no surprise that Booby doesn't agree. In fact, he just sounds like an idiot by repeatedly bragging about A/C that he can only use in the marina, while claiming that he doesn't need ventilation! He's spent 20% overvalue for the boat, then paid another 5% to ship it up. Yet another lie. We paid aprox 8K below market and 5 K below 3 35s5's sold recently. And we have what is probably the nicest example with new gear. The BUC value is $50-55K, and there seem to be a number asking well under $70K. But I'm sure you have to keep telling yourself you got a good deal. But he's already told us how after a a few seasons of racing they can't pass survey, so he's out on a limb with this one. Another lie. Jeff can't post a link to my saying any such thing. I found a single boat out of four with a deck problem after a mast was dropped on it. I think you were quite explicit when you said: "We really loved the boat, but could not find one that hadn't been raced to death." So, Jeff lies and lies. I know they look like lies - but they're actually quotes from you! What drives him batty is that I can be so brutal about his boat and do it with honest comments, Right, it really hurt me when you said my boat doesn't heel. What other faults did you find - too much ventilation? while he has to make stuff up...and do it badly at that! HE SAID that for sailing fun he goes to play with his dinghy. So he admits that PDQ aint a whole lot of fun. Truth...even if he won't admit to it after admitting to it! Yup. If I want to do an hour of daysailing I just hop in a small boat at my club. I don't have to spend $60K for a daysailer. |
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But this leaves the question, if you remove the propane, how do you
run the stove? It's called CNG, Jeff. Costs 200 dollars to set it up with our current stove. But, you just bragged about a "dual use" system, now you're claiming its so dangerous you're removing it. Another lie from Jeff. We're changing it. Actually, I'd even agree that if I were to live at the dock year round Holy backpedal Batman!!! think you were quite explicit when you said: "We really loved the boat, but could not find one that hadn't been raced to death." Yep, old sails and worse ruined cushions from wet sails dumped on them again and again. One needed updated running rigging along with new cushions. One of the four boats had some of the interior removed, such as the table. But the boats were generally solid and looked fine. Raced to death doesn't mean a bad boat...it can be cosmetics which can cost a fortune. Go price new cushions and sails. As usual you're clueless and jump to conclusions. BTW of the four we looked at over the last 3 months, only one remains unsold! And all sold for more than what we paid. The one with the bad deck sold for exactly what we paid! Right, it really hurt me when you said my boat doesn't heel. What other faults did you find - too much ventilation? According to you, when you want to have some sailing fun you go sail a dinghy. We all know that the PDQ 36 is something less than fun to sail. Folks who love to sail buy 35s5's, or even Express 30's, Jeff. Nobody equates "sporting fun" with sailing a PDQ 36. NO ONE. Not even you. When we go sailing with family, with friends or just the three of us we like to be on a boat that's fun, a boat that heels and can get our blood pumping. We don't want to be on a river raft. That's what you like and that's fine, but don't compare it to the very different activity of sailing a monohull. When we sailed on the PDQ 36, my wife couldn't even see the point of it. We might as well have been on a powerboat...a really slow one. With the 35s5 we have a boat that's fun and can cruise on our weekend trips or longer. Hell, I posted a link to folks cruising around the world in one. They seem to be doing fine! Based on your criteria you have the ONLY boat here suitable for cruising in this group BTW. The 35s5 has a proven record of blue water sailing AND it has a larger interior than most of the other boats here. So it looks like only you and Joe can go to sea! What a laugh. Face it, Jeff. It's check and mate. You lost. I won't even begin to bash the idiotic idea of comparing the 35s5 directly to dinghy sailing. Hell, I got yelled at for even suggesting it earlier. People who love the shape of boats rarely love a monohull, Jeff. Good luck, RB 35s5 NY |
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You need to be careful if you're going to do this...
http://www.sabreyachts.com/owner_resources/faq.php Q. How do I go about changing the stove in my boat from CNG to propane? A. Many owners inquire about making a change from CNG to propane fuel for the galley stove. The main reason given is that propane is more widely available and it is sometimes preferred despite CNG's safer properties. (CNG is lighter than air and thus escapes from the yacht's interior. Propane sinks to the boats bilges if it escapes from the system.) Changing cooking fuels is a very extensive project in that the tanks, the tank locker, the hose, the regulator, and the burner orifices must be changed. This is not a do-it-yourself project. Only qualified service technicians should perform the work. The commonly available sizes of propane tanks will not fit in the same tank locker designed for CNG tanks. Although Sabre fabricates fiberglass tank lockers for our CNG systems, these are not retrofitable. They will not fit though a cockpit locker opening which was created for the original installation. It is also worth noting that Sabre fiberglasses these lockers in place, the only exception being the Sabre 362. We recommend that any Sabre owner who has a Regal CNG stove and wishes to pursue this switch, start by contacting www.seawardproducts.com. They offer kits for switching the burner orifices. Unfortunately, the changing of the burner parts is only the first part of this project. The rest of the work should be discussed with experienced service personnel. If you're a subscriber to Practical Sailor magazine, you may recall (or wish to look up) their June 1, 1994 edition. On the last page is their response to a letter in which they discuss this subject. Looking for CNG? Try www.corpbrothers.com -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com... But this leaves the question, if you remove the propane, how do you run the stove? It's called CNG, Jeff. Costs 200 dollars to set it up with our current stove. But, you just bragged about a "dual use" system, now you're claiming its so dangerous you're removing it. Another lie from Jeff. We're changing it. Actually, I'd even agree that if I were to live at the dock year round Holy backpedal Batman!!! think you were quite explicit when you said: "We really loved the boat, but could not find one that hadn't been raced to death." Yep, old sails and worse ruined cushions from wet sails dumped on them again and again. One needed updated running rigging along with new cushions. One of the four boats had some of the interior removed, such as the table. But the boats were generally solid and looked fine. Raced to death doesn't mean a bad boat...it can be cosmetics which can cost a fortune. Go price new cushions and sails. As usual you're clueless and jump to conclusions. BTW of the four we looked at over the last 3 months, only one remains unsold! And all sold for more than what we paid. The one with the bad deck sold for exactly what we paid! Right, it really hurt me when you said my boat doesn't heel. What other faults did you find - too much ventilation? According to you, when you want to have some sailing fun you go sail a dinghy. We all know that the PDQ 36 is something less than fun to sail. Folks who love to sail buy 35s5's, or even Express 30's, Jeff. Nobody equates "sporting fun" with sailing a PDQ 36. NO ONE. Not even you. When we go sailing with family, with friends or just the three of us we like to be on a boat that's fun, a boat that heels and can get our blood pumping. We don't want to be on a river raft. That's what you like and that's fine, but don't compare it to the very different activity of sailing a monohull. When we sailed on the PDQ 36, my wife couldn't even see the point of it. We might as well have been on a powerboat...a really slow one. With the 35s5 we have a boat that's fun and can cruise on our weekend trips or longer. Hell, I posted a link to folks cruising around the world in one. They seem to be doing fine! Based on your criteria you have the ONLY boat here suitable for cruising in this group BTW. The 35s5 has a proven record of blue water sailing AND it has a larger interior than most of the other boats here. So it looks like only you and Joe can go to sea! What a laugh. Face it, Jeff. It's check and mate. You lost. I won't even begin to bash the idiotic idea of comparing the 35s5 directly to dinghy sailing. Hell, I got yelled at for even suggesting it earlier. People who love the shape of boats rarely love a monohull, Jeff. Good luck, RB 35s5 NY |
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Changing cooking fuels is a very extensive project in that the tanks,
the tank locker, the hose, the regulator, and the burner orifices must be changed. This is not a do-it-yourself project. Only qualified service technicians should perform the work. The parts for the job are less than 125. The original locker vents fine for CNG...not always the case of course. A larger tank bracket is being glassed in by yard, no charge. Cooking times will be reduced as CNG is not as space effective. We prefer to do most of our cooking on deck via the Force 10 grill, so the stove/oven will see little use anyway, unless the weather is bad. RB 35s5 NY |
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Yeah I know Oz, rumor is they dont let you guys have guns either.
Joe |
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"Commode Joe wrote in ... On 28 Nov 2005 12:14:02 -0800, "Joe" wrote: Yeah I was wondering what sky he pulled that one out of myself. Propane is not a problem unless your brain dead and unable to maintain a system properly. Joe I guess that means I can't have propane! Commode Joe You are not brain dead, you are brainless. |
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OzOne wrote in message ... On 28 Nov 2005 12:14:02 -0800, "Joe" scribbled thusly: Yeah I was wondering what sky he pulled that one out of myself. Propane is not a problem unless your brain dead and unable to maintain a system properly. Joe Not allowed to maintain LPG systems here unless licenced to do so....too bloody dangerous having people do their own work. Also, the system must be certified safe at regular intervals, usually 3 or 4 years for insurance. Cylinders retested or replaced every 10 years, must be galv on a boat. What about Al.? SV |
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But Bob is changing FROM propane TO CNG. Your site talks about
the opposite. CNG is a much safer and cleaner burning fuel. Scotty "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... You need to be careful if you're going to do this... http://www.sabreyachts.com/owner_resources/faq.php Q. How do I go about changing the stove in my boat from CNG to propane? A. Many owners inquire about making a change from CNG to propane fuel for the galley stove. The main reason given is that propane is more widely available and it is sometimes preferred despite CNG's safer properties. (CNG is lighter than air and thus escapes from the yacht's interior. Propane sinks to the boats bilges if it escapes from the system.) Changing cooking fuels is a very extensive project in that the tanks, the tank locker, the hose, the regulator, and the burner orifices must be changed. This is not a do-it-yourself project. Only qualified service technicians should perform the work. The commonly available sizes of propane tanks will not fit in the same tank locker designed for CNG tanks. Although Sabre fabricates fiberglass tank lockers for our CNG systems, these are not retrofitable. They will not fit though a cockpit locker opening which was created for the original installation. It is also worth noting that Sabre fiberglasses these lockers in place, the only exception being the Sabre 362. We recommend that any Sabre owner who has a Regal CNG stove and wishes to pursue this switch, start by contacting www.seawardproducts.com. They offer kits for switching the burner orifices. Unfortunately, the changing of the burner parts is only the first part of this project. The rest of the work should be discussed with experienced service personnel. If you're a subscriber to Practical Sailor magazine, you may recall (or wish to look up) their June 1, 1994 edition. On the last page is their response to a letter in which they discuss this subject. Looking for CNG? Try www.corpbrothers.com -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com... But this leaves the question, if you remove the propane, how do you run the stove? It's called CNG, Jeff. Costs 200 dollars to set it up with our current stove. But, you just bragged about a "dual use" system, now you're claiming its so dangerous you're removing it. Another lie from Jeff. We're changing it. Actually, I'd even agree that if I were to live at the dock year round Holy backpedal Batman!!! think you were quite explicit when you said: "We really loved the boat, but could not find one that hadn't been raced to death." Yep, old sails and worse ruined cushions from wet sails dumped on them again and again. One needed updated running rigging along with new cushions. One of the four boats had some of the interior removed, such as the table. But the boats were generally solid and looked fine. Raced to death doesn't mean a bad boat...it can be cosmetics which can cost a fortune. Go price new cushions and sails. As usual you're clueless and jump to conclusions. BTW of the four we looked at over the last 3 months, only one remains unsold! And all sold for more than what we paid. The one with the bad deck sold for exactly what we paid! Right, it really hurt me when you said my boat doesn't heel. What other faults did you find - too much ventilation? According to you, when you want to have some sailing fun you go sail a dinghy. We all know that the PDQ 36 is something less than fun to sail. Folks who love to sail buy 35s5's, or even Express 30's, Jeff. Nobody equates "sporting fun" with sailing a PDQ 36. NO ONE. Not eve n you. When we go sailing with family, with friends or just the three of us we like to be on a boat that's fun, a boat that heels and can get our blood pumping. We don't want to be on a river raft. That's what you like and that's fine, but don't compare it to the very different activity of sailing a monohull. When we sailed on the PDQ 36, my wife couldn't even see the point of it. We might as well have been on a powerboat...a really slow one. With the 35s5 we have a boat that's fun and can cruise on our weekend trips or longer. Hell, I posted a link to folks cruising around the world in one. They seem to be doing fine! Based on your criteria you have the ONLY boat here suitable for cruising in this group BTW. The 35s5 has a proven record of blue water sailing AND it has a larger interior than most of the other boats here. So it looks like only you and Joe can go to sea! What a laugh. Face it, Jeff. It's check and mate. You lost. I won't even begin to bash the idiotic idea of comparing the 35s5 directly to dinghy sailing. Hell, I got yelled at for even suggesting it earlier. People who love the shape of boats rarely love a monohull, Jeff. Good luck, RB 35s5 NY |
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Hmmm... well, if you're not going to use it much, why bother with the
expense... -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com... Changing cooking fuels is a very extensive project in that the tanks, the tank locker, the hose, the regulator, and the burner orifices must be changed. This is not a do-it-yourself project. Only qualified service technicians should perform the work. The parts for the job are less than 125. The original locker vents fine for CNG...not always the case of course. A larger tank bracket is being glassed in by yard, no charge. Cooking times will be reduced as CNG is not as space effective. We prefer to do most of our cooking on deck via the Force 10 grill, so the stove/oven will see little use anyway, unless the weather is bad. RB 35s5 NY |
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"Swab Rob" wrote ... Right, it really hurt me when you said my boat doesn't heel. What other faults did you find - too much ventilation? According to you, when you want to have some sailing fun you go sail a dinghy. We all know that the PDQ 36 is something less than fun to sail. Folks who love to sail buy 35s5's, or even Express 30's, Jeff. Nobody equates "sporting fun" with sailing a PDQ 36. NO ONE. Not even you. When we go sailing with family, with friends or just the three of us we like to be on a boat that's fun, a boat that heels and can get our blood pumping. We don't want to be on a river raft. That's what you like and that's fine, but don't compare it to the very different activity of sailing a monohull. When we sailed on the PDQ 36, my wife couldn't even see the point of it. We might as well have been on a powerboat...a really slow one. So, when you sail downwind do you place all crew on the rail to induce heal? People who love the shape of boats rarely love a monohull, Jeff. Huh? SBV |
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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com... Changing cooking fuels is a very extensive project in that the tanks, the tank locker, the hose, the regulator, and the burner orifices must be changed. This is not a do-it-yourself project. Only qualified service technicians should perform the work. The parts for the job are less than 125. Have you priced a CNG tank? regulator? The original locker vents fine for CNG... You don't need a vented locker for a CNG tank. SV |
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Hmmm... well, if you're not going to use it much, why bother with the
expense... I don't see 200 bucks or less much expense and we will use in rare occasions...just like the air conditiioning. It's not in the way and nice to have when we want to use it. RB 35s5 NY |
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OzOne wrote in message ... On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:03:01 -0500, "Scotty" scribbled thusly: OzOne wrote in message .. . On 28 Nov 2005 12:14:02 -0800, "Joe" scribbled thusly: Yeah I was wondering what sky he pulled that one out of myself. Propane is not a problem unless your brain dead and unable to maintain a system properly. Joe Not allowed to maintain LPG systems here unless licenced to do so....too bloody dangerous having people do their own work. Also, the system must be certified safe at regular intervals, usually 3 or 4 years for insurance. Cylinders retested or replaced every 10 years, must be galv on a boat. What about Al.? SV No ally LPG cylinders here, Plenty of SS ones. Any idea why? We have lots of Al tanks. Scotty |
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OzOne wrote in message ... On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:12:57 -0500, "Scotty" scribbled thusly: But Bob is changing FROM propane TO CNG. Your site talks about the opposite. CNG is a much safer and cleaner burning fuel. Scotty Absolutely! And because Oz is so far behind the times in this respect, one of my companies does quite a lot of business converting CNG to LPG on boats purchased in the US, and a few motorhomes. There are virtually no CNG cylinder exchange or refill centres here in Oz, and those taht are, are well away from the water...Pity. There are several right in my sailing area. Also, you can exchange them via UPS. Scotty |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... Hmmm... well, if you're not going to use it much, why bother with the expense... Safety. Bob's a new parent, he's paranoid right now. Scotty |
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"Commodore Joe Redcloud" wrote in message ... On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:02:00 -0500, "Scotty" wrote: "Commode Joe wrote in ... On 28 Nov 2005 12:14:02 -0800, "Joe" wrote: Yeah I was wondering what sky he pulled that one out of myself. Propane is not a problem unless your brain dead and unable to maintain a system properly. Joe I guess that means I can't have propane! Commode Joe You are not brain dead, you are brainless. What's that? I can't hear you! Pull your head out of Bob's ass.... CM |
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I WON!
"Commode Joe " wrote in message ... On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:02:00 -0500, "Scotty" wrote: "Commode Joe wrote in ... On 28 Nov 2005 12:14:02 -0800, "Joe" wrote: Yeah I was wondering what sky he pulled that one out of myself. Propane is not a problem unless your brain dead and unable to maintain a system properly. Joe I guess that means I can't have propane! Commode Joe You are not brain dead, you are brainless. What's that? I can't hear you! SCOTT B VERMON 1882 CHESTNUT HILL RD MOHNTON, PA (609) 858-7718 Commode Joe |
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Are you an idiot? No, we know the answer.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Commodore Joe Redcloud" wrote in message ... On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 13:57:40 -0800, "Capt. JG" wrote: The main reason given is that propane is more widely available and it is sometimes preferred despite CNG's safer properties. ummm... You have an odd form of dyslexia? Robert is not changing from CNG to propane. Commodore Joe Redcloud |
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People who love the shape of boats rarely love a monohull,
Jeff. Huh? Over the years well meaning freinds have given me a fare share of sailing calendars and coffee table books. They have pictures of great old J boats and newer racers and tough little catboats, but I rarely, if ever see a boat like Jeffs. People learn to accept the looks, but beautiful is a term I've never heard used on a cruising cat. I think some of those huge ocean racers flying their hulls are dramatically beautiful in their own way though. People in love with the shape of boats rarely love a multihull. RB 35s5...one hull of a boat! NY |
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