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I hope some one besides me remembers that Day of Infamy. That sneak attack killed more Americans in 1/2 a day than have been killed in Irag total up to date OT |
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Thom Stewart wrote:
I hope some one besides me remembers that Day of Infamy. That sneak attack killed more Americans in 1/2 a day than have been killed in Irag total up to date OT I rememebered it Thom, unfortunately could not participate in the memorial since I was out of town. There is a military ceremony at the university bell tower that I go to most years. Regards Doug King |
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I just got back from D.C. Visited the WWII Memorial in the Mall. It was
inspiring. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... I hope some one besides me remembers that Day of Infamy. That sneak attack killed more Americans in 1/2 a day than have been killed in Irag total up to date OT |
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OzOne wrote
Just goes to show US Govt learns absolutely nothing by its mistakes. The attack on Pearl Harbour was very evident to all who had their eyes open and were not lulled by the percieved invincibility of the mighty USofA. 911 was exactly the same....and with approximately the same number of casualties Fortunately after Pearl, the US had an enemy and a leadership. After 911, you had a flock of chickens chasing anything that moved. You may or may not be right Oz. I think the anwer will come from future historians. The chapter on Iraq is still being written. Scout |
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The chapter on Iraq is still being written.
Don't be silly. This is a shamefull period in US history. We just went to war based on lies. It will only become more evident over time. RB 35s5 NY |
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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com... The chapter on Iraq is still being written. Don't be silly. This is a shamefull period in US history. We just went to war based on lies. It will only become more evident over time. All wars are started for the wrong reasons, although if attacked, one has no choice but to fight. All wars are shameful. All wars are based on lies. This one is no different. |
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So your saying we should of waited, let Saddam attack us.. or pay
someone to attack us... before we acted? Even with the whole world demanding that saddam prove he dis-armed? And Saddam telling the world to get ****ed and throwing out the inspectors? We should of waited.. No wonder you guys let the govt take your guns away. Joe |
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OzOne wrote
Just goes to show US Govt learns absolutely nothing by its mistakes. The attack on Pearl Harbour was very evident to all who had their eyes open and were not lulled by the percieved invincibility of the mighty USofA. 911 was exactly the same....and with approximately the same number of casualties Fortunately after Pearl, the US had an enemy and a leadership. After 911, you had a flock of chickens chasing anything that moved. The last is not entirely true. The leaders of the people who perp'd the 9-11 attacks were living comfortably among the Taliban in Afghanistan. The Taliban soon disappeared and the perps were about to be captured within a very short time - this with very little cost of US life or money thanks to an effective intel organization put in place by previous presidents. Then Bush invaded Iraq, diverting the resources needed to bring bin Ladin & Co to justice, not to capture Saddam but to find at least one WMD to justify his massive blunder. Jeeze, our local cops are less than the brightest stars in the sky, but if they want you in jail they *will* find a bag of dope and a murder weapon on you -- but Bush can't produce any WMDs without getting caught. Why he invaded Iraq remains a mistery .... perhaps even to Bush. Rumor has it that "the voices" told him to do it and he thought it was God. |
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So your saying we should of waited, let Saddam attack us.. or pay someone to attack us... before we acted? Even with the whole world demanding that saddam prove he dis-armed? And Saddam telling the world to get ****ed and throwing out the inspectors? We should of waited.. No wonder you guys let the govt take your guns away. Joe The inspectors didn't get thrown out. The US didn't give them enough time to confirm there was nothing to be found. |
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Why he invaded Iraq remains a mistery .... perhaps even to Bush.
Vito... I think not. I believe Irag has the third largest natural oil reserve in the world. And we have a Texas oil man (and cronies) in high office. Hmmmm.... Bill |
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"Gary" wrote in message The inspectors didn't get thrown out. The US didn't give them enough time to confirm there was nothing to be found. Sure Gary... next thing you'll claim that Iraq wasn't involved in 911! ..... or that Saddam had no intention of attacking the USA!! Americans are the most welcomed and loved people on the entire planet. They are the last bastions of freedom and peace. The USA single-handedly won both world wars. If it wasn't for the USA we'd all be speaking Gerpan or Japman!! Now they are fighting the crusade for proper Christian beliefs! Bless Them CM |
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"Scout" wrote
The chapter on Iraq is still being written. True, but indications are we are in deep trouble. Religious fundamentalism is the enemy of all mankind. Europeans were afraid to explore west because the church told them they would sail off the edge of the world - never mind that ancient Egyptians and Greeks had not only determined that Earth was round but estimated its diameter. Israel almost died abirthing when Jewish fundamentalists demanded that the rest stop defending themselves for Sabbath (Fortunately they didn't listen). Scientists know that the Earth will become another Easter Island if we do not limit population but only the "Godless Communists" in China are doing so. Here in the US faith is triumphing over logic and common sense and we are poised to again outlaw birth control and abortion. We encouraged Muslim fundamentalism because it was primarily directed at 'Godless Communism' and the USSR in Afghanistan. Now that buzzard has come home to roost. Saddam was ruthless dictator but a secular Muslim. As such, he opposed the Islamic fundamentalists in Iran and Afghanistan. When religious fundamentalists among Iraq's Shiite sect turned on him, at the behest of like extremists in Iran, he murdered them, filling mass graves - then went to war with fundamentalist Iran. And when bin Laden and his al Qaeda fighters tapped Saddam for money and training camps he not only refused but began systematically killing anyone associated with them caught in Iraq (Zuqari survived hidden by Saddams' own son). Iraq had long claimed that Kuwait was Iraqi property and invaded it, largely to recoup the costs of war with extremist Iran. This unsettled other Arab nations, who thought they might b next. So, the UN, led by the USA put a stop to this adventure - and ordered Saddam to get rid of any WMDs that he had previously had and used. Up til then, he had as legit a right to them as, say, Israel. The "invasion" of the "Holy Peninsula" and the killing of Muslims by the "army of infidels" that freed Kuwait infuriated Muslim fundamentalists. Bin Ladin himself says that is why his army of religious nutcases attacked the USA and other countries, including the 9-11 attacks. For reasons nobody understands, George Bush Jr attacked Iraq to depose Saddam. Saddam no longer had any WMDs and, except for paying widows pensions to Palestinians attacking Israel, took no part in terrorism. He and bin Ladin were bitter enemies over his refusal to help al Qaeda. And he was eager to sell all the oil he could pump. So why - to establish a western democracy in the region?? That might have worked if we'd sent enough troops to lock down all the ammo dumps, banks, museums and other places that got looted, and to capture the al Qaeda terrorists fleeing the Afghan tribesmen via Iran, but we did not. So with Saddam gone they found a nice home and are killing two or three Americans every day. Progress? Predictably, Shiite fundamentalists elected a big plurality in the new assembly and in turn devised a new constitution that will give Iraq a democracy, but not a western democracy. Oh no, it's one just like Iran's, where the people elect a powerless parliament and the country is run by - guess what - religious fundamentalists friendly to al Qaeda and other fundy terrorists!! And next month they will elect their parliament and it will appoint the fundamentallist mullahs who will rule thereafter. But, as Scout says, that chapter has yet to be written. But I'd bet on the fundies ...... |
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"Capt.Mooron" wrote
Now they are fighting the crusade for proper Christian beliefs! That's the most logical reason for attacking Iraq I've heard so far ..... |
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"Joe" wrote ...
So your saying we should of waited, let Saddam attack us.. or pay someone to attack us... before we acted? There's no evidence he planned to do that. He 'd been fighting Islamic fundies in Iran and his own country and was too broke to do that even if he wanted to. His survival depended on US help. Since we were fighting the same enemies it was only logical for us to leave him in power. |
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"Dave" wrote
"Vito" said: thanks to an effective intel organization put in place by previous presidents. Hey, you could prolly get a gig doing stand-up comedy on Jay Leno with lines like that. Prolly - but who do you think got the Afghans to oust the Taliban if not "an effective intel organization" and who do you believe fostered that organization if not previous presidents? Bush hadn't had time too do it and his record with "intellegence" is pretty spotty. |
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Amen!
"Vito" wrote in message ... "Capt.Mooron" wrote Now they are fighting the crusade for proper Christian beliefs! That's the most logical reason for attacking Iraq I've heard so far ..... |
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SHUT UP , Ozzhole!!!!!!!!!!!!
OzOne wrote .... nothing worth reading, again. Oz |
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What a Difference Four Years Makes
Why U.N. inspectors left Iraq--then and now "The U.N. orders its weapons inspectors to leave Iraq after the chief inspector reports Baghdad is not fully cooperating with them." -- Sheila MacVicar, ABC World News This Morning, 12/16/98 "To bolster its claim, Iraq let reporters see one laboratory U.N. inspectors once visited before they were kicked out four years ago." --John McWethy, ABC World News Tonight, 8/12/02 "The Iraq story boiled over last night when the chief U.N. weapons inspector, Richard Butler, said that Iraq had not fully cooperated with inspectors and--as they had promised to do. As a result, the U.N. ordered its inspectors to leave Iraq this morning" --Katie Couric, NBC's Today, 12/16/98 "As Washington debates when and how to attack Iraq, a surprise offer from Baghdad. It is ready to talk about re-admitting U.N. weapons inspectors after kicking them out four years ago." --Maurice DuBois, NBC's Saturday Today, 8/3/02 "The chief U.N. weapons inspector ordered his monitors to leave Baghdad today after saying that Iraq had once again reneged on its promise to cooperate--a report that renewed the threat of U.S. and British airstrikes." --AP, 12/16/98 "Information on Iraq's programs has been spotty since Saddam expelled U.N. weapons inspectors in 1998." --AP, 9/7/02 "Immediately after submitting his report on Baghdad's noncompliance, Butler ordered his inspectors to leave Iraq." --Los Angeles Times, 12/17/98 "It is not known whether Iraq has rebuilt clandestine nuclear facilities since U.N. inspectors were forced out in 1998, but the report said the regime lacks nuclear material for a bomb and the capability to make weapons." --Los Angeles Times, 9/10/02 "The United Nations once again has ordered its weapons inspectors out of Iraq. Today's evacuation follows a new warning from chief weapons inspector Richard Butler accusing Iraq of once again failing to cooperate with the inspectors. The United States and Britain repeatedly have warned that Iraq's failure to cooperate with the inspectors could lead to air strikes." --Bob Edwards, NPR, 12/16/98 "If he has secret weapons, he's had four years since he kicked out the inspectors to hide all of them." --Daniel Schorr, NPR, 8/3/02 "This is the second time in a month that UNSCOM has pulled out in the face of a possible U.S.-led attack. But this time there may be no turning back. Weapons inspectors packed up their personal belongings and loaded up equipment at U.N. headquarters after a predawn evacuation order. In a matter of hours, they were gone, more than 120 of them headed for a flight to Bahrain." --Jane Arraf, CNN, 12/16/98 "What Mr. Bush is being urged to do by many advisers is focus on the simple fact that Saddam Hussein signed a piece of paper at the end of the Persian Gulf War, promising that the United Nations could have unfettered weapons inspections in Iraq. It has now been several years since those inspectors were kicked out." --John King, CNN, 8/18/02 "Russian Ambassador Sergei Lavrov criticized Butler for evacuating inspectors from Iraq Wednesday morning without seeking permission from the Security Council." --USA Today, 12/17/98 "Saddam expelled U.N. weapons inspectors in 1998, accusing some of being U.S. spies." --USA Today, 9/4/02 "But the most recent irritant was Mr. Butler's quick withdrawal from Iraq on Wednesday of all his inspectors and those of the International Atomic Energy Agency, which monitors Iraqi nuclear programs, without Security Council permission. Mr. Butler acted after a telephone call from Peter Burleigh, the American representative to the United Nations, and a discussion with Secretary General Kofi Annan, who had also spoken to Mr. Burleigh." --New York Times, 12/18/98 "America's goal should be to ensure that Iraq is disarmed of all unconventional weapons.... To thwart this goal, Baghdad expelled United Nations arms inspectors four years ago." --New York Times editorial, 8/3/02 "Butler ordered his inspectors to evacuate Baghdad, in anticipation of a military attack, on Tuesday night--at a time when most members of the Security Council had yet to receive his report." --Washington Post, 12/18/98 "Since 1998, when U.N. inspectors were expelled, Iraq has almost certainly been working to build more chemical and biological weapons." --Washington Post editorial, 8/4/02 "Butler abruptly pulled all of his inspectors out of Iraq shortly after handing Annan a report yesterday afternoon on Baghdad's continued failure to cooperate with UNSCOM, the agency that searches for Iraq's prohibited weapons of mass destruction." -- Newsday, 12/17/98 "The reason Hussein gave was that the U.N. inspectors' work was completed years ago, before he kicked them out in 1998, and they dismantled whatever weapons they found. That's disingenuous." --Newsday editorial, 8/14/02 |
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I believe you Joe. So when do we invade Iran and North Korea, since they
said they have WMD's and declared their willingness to us the against the US? Is Bush coming up short on this one? Praise! "Joe" wrote in message ups.com... What a Difference Four Years Makes Why U.N. inspectors left Iraq--then and now "The U.N. orders its weapons inspectors to leave Iraq after the chief inspector reports Baghdad is not fully cooperating with them." -- Sheila MacVicar, ABC World News This Morning, 12/16/98 "To bolster its claim, Iraq let reporters see one laboratory U.N. inspectors once visited before they were kicked out four years ago." --John McWethy, ABC World News Tonight, 8/12/02 "The Iraq story boiled over last night when the chief U.N. weapons inspector, Richard Butler, said that Iraq had not fully cooperated with inspectors and--as they had promised to do. As a result, the U.N. ordered its inspectors to leave Iraq this morning" --Katie Couric, NBC's Today, 12/16/98 "As Washington debates when and how to attack Iraq, a surprise offer from Baghdad. It is ready to talk about re-admitting U.N. weapons inspectors after kicking them out four years ago." --Maurice DuBois, NBC's Saturday Today, 8/3/02 "The chief U.N. weapons inspector ordered his monitors to leave Baghdad today after saying that Iraq had once again reneged on its promise to cooperate--a report that renewed the threat of U.S. and British airstrikes." --AP, 12/16/98 "Information on Iraq's programs has been spotty since Saddam expelled U.N. weapons inspectors in 1998." --AP, 9/7/02 "Immediately after submitting his report on Baghdad's noncompliance, Butler ordered his inspectors to leave Iraq." --Los Angeles Times, 12/17/98 "It is not known whether Iraq has rebuilt clandestine nuclear facilities since U.N. inspectors were forced out in 1998, but the report said the regime lacks nuclear material for a bomb and the capability to make weapons." --Los Angeles Times, 9/10/02 "The United Nations once again has ordered its weapons inspectors out of Iraq. Today's evacuation follows a new warning from chief weapons inspector Richard Butler accusing Iraq of once again failing to cooperate with the inspectors. The United States and Britain repeatedly have warned that Iraq's failure to cooperate with the inspectors could lead to air strikes." --Bob Edwards, NPR, 12/16/98 "If he has secret weapons, he's had four years since he kicked out the inspectors to hide all of them." --Daniel Schorr, NPR, 8/3/02 "This is the second time in a month that UNSCOM has pulled out in the face of a possible U.S.-led attack. But this time there may be no turning back. Weapons inspectors packed up their personal belongings and loaded up equipment at U.N. headquarters after a predawn evacuation order. In a matter of hours, they were gone, more than 120 of them headed for a flight to Bahrain." --Jane Arraf, CNN, 12/16/98 "What Mr. Bush is being urged to do by many advisers is focus on the simple fact that Saddam Hussein signed a piece of paper at the end of the Persian Gulf War, promising that the United Nations could have unfettered weapons inspections in Iraq. It has now been several years since those inspectors were kicked out." --John King, CNN, 8/18/02 "Russian Ambassador Sergei Lavrov criticized Butler for evacuating inspectors from Iraq Wednesday morning without seeking permission from the Security Council." --USA Today, 12/17/98 "Saddam expelled U.N. weapons inspectors in 1998, accusing some of being U.S. spies." --USA Today, 9/4/02 "But the most recent irritant was Mr. Butler's quick withdrawal from Iraq on Wednesday of all his inspectors and those of the International Atomic Energy Agency, which monitors Iraqi nuclear programs, without Security Council permission. Mr. Butler acted after a telephone call from Peter Burleigh, the American representative to the United Nations, and a discussion with Secretary General Kofi Annan, who had also spoken to Mr. Burleigh." --New York Times, 12/18/98 "America's goal should be to ensure that Iraq is disarmed of all unconventional weapons.... To thwart this goal, Baghdad expelled United Nations arms inspectors four years ago." --New York Times editorial, 8/3/02 "Butler ordered his inspectors to evacuate Baghdad, in anticipation of a military attack, on Tuesday night--at a time when most members of the Security Council had yet to receive his report." --Washington Post, 12/18/98 "Since 1998, when U.N. inspectors were expelled, Iraq has almost certainly been working to build more chemical and biological weapons." --Washington Post editorial, 8/4/02 "Butler abruptly pulled all of his inspectors out of Iraq shortly after handing Annan a report yesterday afternoon on Baghdad's continued failure to cooperate with UNSCOM, the agency that searches for Iraq's prohibited weapons of mass destruction." -- Newsday, 12/17/98 "The reason Hussein gave was that the U.N. inspectors' work was completed years ago, before he kicked them out in 1998, and they dismantled whatever weapons they found. That's disingenuous." --Newsday editorial, 8/14/02 |
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North Korea would kick the USA's collective asses in any war... they is
short but really ill tempered, bitter and extremely petty. If youse guys went into Iran...... Canada would just move in and take over your entire nation while you were out! CM "Bob Crantz" wrote in message . net... I believe you Joe. So when do we invade Iran and North Korea, since they said they have WMD's and declared their willingness to us the against the US? Is Bush coming up short on this one? Praise! "Joe" wrote in message ups.com... What a Difference Four Years Makes Why U.N. inspectors left Iraq--then and now "The U.N. orders its weapons inspectors to leave Iraq after the chief inspector reports Baghdad is not fully cooperating with them." -- Sheila MacVicar, ABC World News This Morning, 12/16/98 "To bolster its claim, Iraq let reporters see one laboratory U.N. inspectors once visited before they were kicked out four years ago." --John McWethy, ABC World News Tonight, 8/12/02 "The Iraq story boiled over last night when the chief U.N. weapons inspector, Richard Butler, said that Iraq had not fully cooperated with inspectors and--as they had promised to do. As a result, the U.N. ordered its inspectors to leave Iraq this morning" --Katie Couric, NBC's Today, 12/16/98 "As Washington debates when and how to attack Iraq, a surprise offer from Baghdad. It is ready to talk about re-admitting U.N. weapons inspectors after kicking them out four years ago." --Maurice DuBois, NBC's Saturday Today, 8/3/02 "The chief U.N. weapons inspector ordered his monitors to leave Baghdad today after saying that Iraq had once again reneged on its promise to cooperate--a report that renewed the threat of U.S. and British airstrikes." --AP, 12/16/98 "Information on Iraq's programs has been spotty since Saddam expelled U.N. weapons inspectors in 1998." --AP, 9/7/02 "Immediately after submitting his report on Baghdad's noncompliance, Butler ordered his inspectors to leave Iraq." --Los Angeles Times, 12/17/98 "It is not known whether Iraq has rebuilt clandestine nuclear facilities since U.N. inspectors were forced out in 1998, but the report said the regime lacks nuclear material for a bomb and the capability to make weapons." --Los Angeles Times, 9/10/02 "The United Nations once again has ordered its weapons inspectors out of Iraq. Today's evacuation follows a new warning from chief weapons inspector Richard Butler accusing Iraq of once again failing to cooperate with the inspectors. The United States and Britain repeatedly have warned that Iraq's failure to cooperate with the inspectors could lead to air strikes." --Bob Edwards, NPR, 12/16/98 "If he has secret weapons, he's had four years since he kicked out the inspectors to hide all of them." --Daniel Schorr, NPR, 8/3/02 "This is the second time in a month that UNSCOM has pulled out in the face of a possible U.S.-led attack. But this time there may be no turning back. Weapons inspectors packed up their personal belongings and loaded up equipment at U.N. headquarters after a predawn evacuation order. In a matter of hours, they were gone, more than 120 of them headed for a flight to Bahrain." --Jane Arraf, CNN, 12/16/98 "What Mr. Bush is being urged to do by many advisers is focus on the simple fact that Saddam Hussein signed a piece of paper at the end of the Persian Gulf War, promising that the United Nations could have unfettered weapons inspections in Iraq. It has now been several years since those inspectors were kicked out." --John King, CNN, 8/18/02 "Russian Ambassador Sergei Lavrov criticized Butler for evacuating inspectors from Iraq Wednesday morning without seeking permission from the Security Council." --USA Today, 12/17/98 "Saddam expelled U.N. weapons inspectors in 1998, accusing some of being U.S. spies." --USA Today, 9/4/02 "But the most recent irritant was Mr. Butler's quick withdrawal from Iraq on Wednesday of all his inspectors and those of the International Atomic Energy Agency, which monitors Iraqi nuclear programs, without Security Council permission. Mr. Butler acted after a telephone call from Peter Burleigh, the American representative to the United Nations, and a discussion with Secretary General Kofi Annan, who had also spoken to Mr. Burleigh." --New York Times, 12/18/98 "America's goal should be to ensure that Iraq is disarmed of all unconventional weapons.... To thwart this goal, Baghdad expelled United Nations arms inspectors four years ago." --New York Times editorial, 8/3/02 "Butler ordered his inspectors to evacuate Baghdad, in anticipation of a military attack, on Tuesday night--at a time when most members of the Security Council had yet to receive his report." --Washington Post, 12/18/98 "Since 1998, when U.N. inspectors were expelled, Iraq has almost certainly been working to build more chemical and biological weapons." --Washington Post editorial, 8/4/02 "Butler abruptly pulled all of his inspectors out of Iraq shortly after handing Annan a report yesterday afternoon on Baghdad's continued failure to cooperate with UNSCOM, the agency that searches for Iraq's prohibited weapons of mass destruction." -- Newsday, 12/17/98 "The reason Hussein gave was that the U.N. inspectors' work was completed years ago, before he kicked them out in 1998, and they dismantled whatever weapons they found. That's disingenuous." --Newsday editorial, 8/14/02 |
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Sure Gary... next thing you'll claim that Iraq wasn't involved in 911!
.... or that Saddam had no intention of attacking the USA!! Saddam was a terrorist and was a known supporter of terrorist. After 911 and his invading Kuwait we could no longer afford to let him keep on...keeping on. Our concern was Saddam providing illicit weapons to terrorists and terrorist organizations that have no compunction about using such devices against innocent people around the world. Iraq and terrorism go back decades. Baghdad trains Palestine Liberation Front members in small arms and explosives. Saddam uses the Arab Liberation Front to funnel money to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers in order to prolong the intifada. And it's no secret that Saddam's own intelligence service was involved in dozens of attacks or attempted assassinations in the 1990s. Saddam has and had a sinister nexus with al-Qaeda and bin Laden....a nexus that combines classic terrorist organizations and modern methods of murder. Iraq today harbors a deadly terrorist network, headed by Abu Mussab al-Zarqawi, an associate and collaborator of Osama bin Laden and his al-Qaeda lieutenants. Zarqawi, a Palestinian born in Jordan, fought in the Afghan War more than a decade ago. Returning to Afghanistan in 2000, he oversaw a terrorist training camp. In 2000, Zarqawi offered al-Qaeda safe haven in the region. After we swept al-Qaeda from Afghanistan, some of its members accepted this safe haven. They remain there today. Zarqawi's activities were know thruout Iraq while under Saddams rule. He traveled to Baghdad in May 2002 for medical treatment, staying in the capital of Iraq for two months while he recuperated to fight another day. During this stay, nearly two dozen extremists converged on Baghdad and established a base of operations there. These al-Qaeda affiliates, based in Baghdad, now coordinate the movement of people, money and supplies into and throughout Iraq for his network, and they are still operating in Iraq. Iraqi officials denied ties with al-Qaeda. These denials are simply not credible. An al-Qaeda associate bragged before the war that the situation in Iraq was, quote, "good," that Baghdad could be transited quickly. Saddam was a supporter of terrorism long before these terrorist networks had a name, and this support continues. The nexus of poisons and terror is new; the nexus of Iraq and terror is old. The combination is lethal. With this track record, Iraqi denials of supporting terrorism take their place alongside the other Iraqi denials of weapons of mass destruction. It is all a web of lies. When we confront a regime that harbors ambitions for regional domination, hides weapons of mass destruction and provides haven and active support for terrorists, we are not confronting the past, we are confronting the present. And unless we act, we are confronting an even more frightening future. Americans are the most welcomed and loved people on the entire planet. They are the last bastions of freedom and peace. Well it seems we are doing most the work to put an end to Saddams Hitler type tatics. Not Canada, France, Germany, ect lifted a finger to stop Saddam's violations of human rights and utter contempt for human life. Saddam Hussein's use of mustard and nerve gas against the Kurds in 1988 was one of the 20th century's most horrible atrocities. Five thousand men, women and children died. His campaign against the Kurds from 1987 to '89 included mass summary executions, disappearances, arbitrary jailing, ethnic cleansing and the destruction of some 2,000 villages. He has also conducted ethnic cleansing against the Shi'a Iraqis and the Marsh Arabs, whose culture has flourished for more than a millennium. Saddam Hussein's police state ruthlessly eliminates anyone who dares to dissent. Iraq has more forced disappearance cases than any other country -- tens of thousands of people reported missing in the past decade. Nothing pointed more clearly to Saddam Hussein's dangerous intentions and the threat he posed to all of us than his calculated cruelty to his own citizens and to his neighbors. Clearly, Saddam Hussein and his regime would of stopped at nothing until we stopped him. For more than 20 years, by word and by deed, Saddam Hussein pursued his ambition to dominate Iraq and the broader Middle East using the only means he knows: intimidation, coercion and annihilation of all those who might stand in his way. Given Saddam Hussein's history of aggression, given what we knew of his grandiose plans, given what we knew of his terrorist associations and given his determination to exact revenge on those who oppose him, should we have taken the risk that he will not someday use weapons at a time and a place and in a manner of his choosing, at a time when the world was in a much weaker position to respond? The United States could not run that risk to the American people. Leaving Saddam Hussein in power was not an option, not in a post-September 11th world. The USA single-handedly won both world wars. If it wasn't for the USA we'd all be speaking Gerpan or Japman!! How true:0) Now they are fighting the crusade for proper Christian beliefs! Someone has to make a stand against evil people like Saddam. Canada could not bothered with such trivial things. Joe |
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"Joe" wrote in message Someone has to make a stand against evil people like Saddam. Canada could not bothered with such trivial things. We are much more nefarious... we allow them to immigrate, show them the good life and they adopt our national tendency to apathy. Next thing you know... they can't afford to send any money "back-home" because little Abdul has to get new hockey equipment! Why shoot'em??...... when you can get them to pay taxes!!!! CM |
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Sure Gary... next thing you'll claim that Iraq wasn't involved in 911!
.... or that Saddam had no intention of attacking the USA!! Joe wrote: Saddam was a terrorist and was a known supporter of terrorist. Actually, there has never been a single shred of proof that Saddam Hussein's gov't ever had the slightest involvement with anti-US terrorism. Iraq and terrorism go back decades. Baghdad trains Palestine Liberation Front members in small arms and explosives. Saddam uses the Arab Liberation Front to funnel money to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers in order to prolong the intifada. I see, we invaded Iraq and took out Saddam to proetect Israel? ... And it's no secret that Saddam's own intelligence service was involved in dozens of attacks or attempted assassinations in the 1990s. You're right Joe, it's not a secret... it's utter malarkey. Of course, they did make some vague threats about trying to assassinate President Bush's daddy... that's reason enough to start a war, sure. Saddam has and had a sinister nexus with al-Qaeda and bin Laden.... Wow, that's impressive. I didn't know you knew words like "nexus." Iraqi officials denied ties with al-Qaeda. These denials are simply not credible. Really? What actual evidence exists that Iraq and/or Saddam had *any* ties to Al Queda and the Sept 11th attack? There certainly has been none presented to any serious investigator. Vice President Cheney alluded to such things to the investigating committee but did not provide a single bit of corroborating info. None, nada, zip. Saddam Hussein's use of mustard and nerve gas against the Kurds in 1988 was one of the 20th century's most horrible atrocities. Five thousand men, women and children died. His campaign against the Kurds from 1987 to '89 included mass summary executions, disappearances, arbitrary jailing, ethnic cleansing and the destruction of some 2,000 villages. So why did we wait almost 20 years, Joe? For more than 20 years, by word and by deed, Saddam Hussein pursued his ambition to dominate Iraq and the broader Middle East using the only means he knows: intimidation, coercion and annihilation of all those who might stand in his way. And helped by his Reagan era business partners, George Bush Sr and Don Rumsfeld. It's a long long list of bluster & bull****, Joe. Very short on fact. Is that what you want America's future based on? I agree that things are very dangerous for us right now, but until we start actually fighting terrorism by effective means, and eliminating the nuclear weapons held by Iran & Korea, we're marching boldly into quicksand. DSK |
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Actually, there has never been a single shred of proof that Saddam Hussein's gov't ever had the slightest involvement with anti-US terrorism So you... like France... are willing to turn your head on murder and terror as long as it's not hurting you. France was getting blood money from the Oil for Food program, what were you getting? So why did we wait almost 20 years, Joe? 9-11 woke most people up to the real danger of letting a terrorist sponser remain in power. Just like Pearl Harbor "awakened a sleeping giant" so did 9-11. I do not understand your willing to keep hitting the snooze button. Joe |
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OzOne wrote in message Bush Logic....a dying art. For the Favour of the Gods and the Path of the Righteous!!?? What Better Reasons can you provide to Declare for War!??? It's an Age Old Rational... that's why I believe it wasn't questioned. Personally... I'm a firm believer in keeping friends close and enemies closer still. CM |
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OzOne wrote in message Joe, he was going to attack no-one! Now now Ozone..... let's not shatter any illusions of entitlement, they are feeling guilty enough as it is. How many Kangaroos & Wombats can you muster up for when they annex the Commonwealth?? We keep sending them these damned Canada Geese to crap all over their lawns already! You'd think they'd catch on!? :-) CM |
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"Vito" wrote in message ... Religious fundamentalism is the enemy of all mankind. Europeans were afraid to explore west because the church told them they would sail off the edge of the world I think that you will find that the church was in agreement with the scientific community at the time. Apart from that small disagreement, I would like to congratulate you on a brilliant post! Regards Donal -- |
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"Joe" wrote in message oups.com... So your saying we should of waited, let Saddam attack us.. or pay someone to attack us... before we acted? Joe, That is the MOST stupid thing that I have ever read on Usenet. Do you really believe that Saddam would have attacked the US? Regards Donal -- |
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OzOne wrote in message ... On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 12:05:35 -0500, "Scotty" scribbled thusly: SHUT UP , Ozzhole!!!!!!!!!!!! OzOne wrote .... nothing worth reading, again. Oz I'm gonna start calling you Ostrich....OK? What? I can't hear you! |
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OzOne wrote in message ... He reported that Iraq had been cooperative on the process of inspections, particularly on providing access to the more than 230 sites already visited by UN personnel. "Access has been provided to all sites we wanted to visit and on the whole it has been prompt," Mr Blix stated. snip Inspectors plead for more time Joe doesn't want to hear this. Regards Donal -- |
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HEY!!!
I said;"Remember Pearl Harbor!" |
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Sorry CM,
Canada couldn't take over a Coffee Shop without some one to direct them. |
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Vito wrote:
"Scout" wrote The chapter on Iraq is still being written. True, but indications are we are in deep trouble. Religious fundamentalism is the enemy of all mankind. Europeans were afraid to explore west because the church told them they would sail off the edge of the world - never mind that ancient Egyptians and Greeks had not only determined that Earth was round but estimated its diameter. Nonsense. Everyone (except apparently Columbus) thought that China was simply too far away. Israel almost died abirthing when Jewish fundamentalists demanded that the rest stop defending themselves for Sabbath (Fortunately they didn't listen). More nonsense. There may have been such fundamentalists, but the chances that anyone would listen to them on that point was about zero. Remember the original fighters were secular Jews, not ultra-orthodox. Scientists know that the Earth will become another Easter Island if we do not limit population but only the "Godless Communists" in China are doing so. Yet more nonsense. The world population is already leveling off. Many countries are slowing dramatically, and the only countries showing long term growth are in Africa and the sub-continent. It won't be long before the population of Japan exceeds Russia, for instance. Here in the US faith is triumphing over logic and common sense and we are poised to again outlaw birth control and abortion. time will tell ... |
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Donal wrote:
"Vito" wrote in message ... Religious fundamentalism is the enemy of all mankind. Europeans were afraid to explore west because the church told them they would sail off the edge of the world I think that you will find that the church was in agreement with the scientific community at the time. Yes. They both agreed the world was round, just like Aristotle told them. |
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I remembered Ol Thom. Thanks for doing your part to slap the Japs back
to Tokyo! And Captain America posted a list of every ship and boat in Pearl Harbor yesterday. Our local paper and High School honored a local sailor killed aboard the Arizona. Robert K Shaw was 19. Joe |
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I take it you've never been to a Tim Hortons at 10am...
CM "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... Sorry CM, Canada couldn't take over a Coffee Shop without some one to direct them. |
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I ran over two Toyotas on the way home today.
Hope this helps. Scotty "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... I hope some one besides me remembers that Day of Infamy. That sneak attack killed more Americans in 1/2 a day than have been killed in Irag total up to date OT |
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