http://today.reuters.com/news/newsar...JAD.xml&rpc=22

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 18:55:13 GMT, "Bob Crantz"
scribbled thusly:


http://today.reuters.com/news/newsar...toryid=2005-12
-08T171212Z_01_RID850121_RTRUKOC_0_US-MIDEAST-IRAN-AHMADINEJAD.xml&rpc=22


From the article.
"Religious hardliners in Iran do not publicly deny the Holocaust
occurred but say its scale has been exaggerated to justify the
creation of Israel and continued Western support for it."


Many, me included are just a tad sick of the unforgiving nature of the
holocaust survivors and jews in general.
They are similar to those who still think Japan is run by the same
people who initiated war in the 40's.

The jews are professional victims. They play the holocaust thing for all its
worth. Other groups have been persecuted too, but they moved on.



Time marches on....


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

I don't agree at all. It's hard to forget or forgive after an attempt at
genocide. The only way to prevent something like this from happening again
is to make sure no one forgets.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 18:55:13 GMT, "Bob Crantz"
scribbled thusly:

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsar...JAD.xml&rpc=22


From the article.
"Religious hardliners in Iran do not publicly deny the Holocaust
occurred but say its scale has been exaggerated to justify the
creation of Israel and continued Western support for it."


Many, me included are just a tad sick of the unforgiving nature of the
holocaust survivors and jews in general.
They are similar to those who still think Japan is run by the same
people who initiated war in the 40's.

Time marches on....


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 21:35:53 GMT, "Bob Crantz"
said:

Other groups have been persecuted too, but they moved on.

For you, Bob, I'd recommend a trip to the small white monument outside the
cathedral standing opposite Santa Sophia in Kiev. The sole inscription is
"1932." Ask any one of the residents of Kiev what the inscription means.

and FDR negotiated half of Europe away to that man. more people were
enslaved under totalitarian regimes after ww2 than before. whose side was
fdr under anyway?

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 16:43:28 -0800, "Capt. JG"
scribbled thusly:

I don't agree at all. It's hard to forget or forgive after an attempt at
genocide. The only way to prevent something like this from happening again
is to make sure no one forgets.

Or keep reminding people until they get thoroughly ****ed off and
start torewrite history?

Why would you think that? Besides, folks have been trying to re-write the
history from day one, practically.

"those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"

Haunting words in this day and age.

John Cairns



Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

"John Cairns" wrote in message
om...

OzOne wrote in message
...
On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 16:43:28 -0800, "Capt. JG"
scribbled thusly:

I don't agree at all. It's hard to forget or forgive after an attempt at
genocide. The only way to prevent something like this from happening
again
is to make sure no one forgets.

Or keep reminding people until they get thoroughly ****ed off and
start torewrite history?

Why would you think that? Besides, folks have been trying to re-write the
history from day one, practically.

"those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"


AS I PASS through my incarnations in every age and race,
I make my proper prostrations to the Gods of the Market Place.
Peering through reverent fingers I watch them flourish and fall,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings, I notice, outlast them all.
We were living in trees when they met us. They showed us each in turn
That Water would certainly wet us, as Fire would certainly burn:
But we found them lacking in Uplift, Vision and Breadth of Mind,
So we left them to teach the Gorillas while we followed the March of
Mankind.

We moved as the Spirit listed. They never altered their pace,
Being neither cloud nor wind-borne like the Gods of the Market Place,
But they always caught up with our progress, and presently word would come
That a tribe had been wiped off its icefield, or the lights had gone out in
Rome.

With the Hopes that our World is built on they were utterly out of touch,
They denied that the Moon was Stilton; they denied she was even Dutch;
They denied that Wishes were Horses; they denied that a Pig had Wings;
So we worshipped the Gods of the Market Who promised these beautiful things.

When the Cambrian measures were forming, They promised perpetual peace.
They swore, if we gave them our weapons, that the wars of the tribes would
cease.
But when we disarmed They sold us and delivered us bound to our foe,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "Stick to the Devil you know."

On the first Feminian Sandstones we were promised the Fuller Life
(Which started by loving our neighbour and ended by loving his wife)
Till our women had no more children and the men lost reason and faith,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "The Wages of Sin is Death."

In the Carboniferous Epoch we were promised abundance for all,
By robbing selected Peter to pay for collective Paul;
But, though we had plenty of money, there was nothing our money could buy,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "If you don't work you die."

Then the Gods of the Market tumbled, and their smooth-tongued wizards
withdrew
And the hearts of the meanest were humbled and began to believe it was true
That All is not Gold that Glitters, and Two and Two make Four
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings limped up to explain it once more.

As it will be in the future, it was at the birth of Man
There are only four things certain since Social Progress began.
That the Dog returns to his Vomit and the Sow returns to her Mire,
And the burnt Fool's bandaged finger goes wabbling back to the Fire;

And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins
When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins,
As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will bum,
The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return.

"those who do learn from the past are doomed to repeat it"




Haunting words in this day and age.

John Cairns



Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

So OZ keeps burning his finger?

I agree the new leader in Iran is big trouble.
He's worse than the Ayatolla of the late 70's.

Joe

There are a number of groups that have been trying to do that since the war
ended. It doesn't work.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 16:43:28 -0800, "Capt. JG"
scribbled thusly:

I don't agree at all. It's hard to forget or forgive after an attempt at
genocide. The only way to prevent something like this from happening again
is to make sure no one forgets.

Or keep reminding people until they get thoroughly ****ed off and
start torewrite history?


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Leave it to Oz to astound people.

Joe

People forget about what happend to the Poles which
was equally as bad. One could argue it was worse
since many more Poles died than Jews.

They also forget to the fact that the allies handed over Poland
to Russia, after pledging to restore Poland to the many
ex-patriot Poles that fought hard in WWII in the Battle of Britain.

OzOne wrote
"Bob Crantz"
scribbled thusly:

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsar...JAD.xml&rpc=22


From the article.
"Religious hardliners in Iran do not publicly deny the Holocaust
occurred but say its scale has been exaggerated to justify the
creation of Israel and continued Western support for it."


Many, me included are just a tad sick of the unforgiving nature of the
holocaust survivors and jews in general.
They are similar to those who still think Japan is run by the same
people who initiated war in the 40's.

Time marches on....

Oz1...of the 3 twins.