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Catalina 27 vs. Nordica 30
Quality: Mooron has himself convinced that the Nordica 30 is some kind of unknown Valiant or even or Hans Crhistian. All you have to do is visit the Nordica website to learn that these boats have not held up well, and Mooron was forced to rebuilt his interior. He himself said that the interior components are of poor quality. On the other hand many Catalina 27's of far greater age than his 30 are still sailing with little more than new cushions. Catalina 27's have circumnavigated: Fact! Nordica 30's have not. FACT! Speed: Neither boat is a speed demon to put it kindly, but at least if you own a Cat 27 you can race in one design fleets. The Catalina will also handle better overall. In a distance race, the Nordica 30 would have an edge based on her size, not as likely around the cans. Comfort: Mooron's sad ignorant remark about "fitting down the companionway" shows he (once again) doesn't know boats. As most people know, the Catalina 27 features a hatch that is so wide it must be considered a liability in offshore sailing (easily handled by smart sailors). Beyond that, for her size, the Catalina 27 is a FAR more comfortable boat with a big cabin and giant cockpit. Resale: When you consider that the average Nordica 30 sells for 20K or less (True, in spite of Mooron's hilarious claims of being offered 60K), she's basically priced just above the Pearson 30. This also proves that her reputation hasn't exactly wowed the sailing community, which is still willing to pay 50K for a Westsail 32 or 35K for a Island Packet 29. A 1973 Catalina 27 can be bought in good shape for about 8K, not far from half her original price! Winner: There's no doubt that the Nordica 30 has personality. But it will cost you in long term repairs and upkeep. If you want to sail buy the Catalina 27. If you want to hire yourself to be a slave to poor workmanship, by all means enjoy the Nordica 30. She'll certainly turn the heads of the misinformed. RB 35s5 NY |
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![]() What a lame Troll...... but I'll throw you a bone! Read it and Weep you Loser! Performance Comparison LOA Catalina 27 Std Rig 26.83 Nordica 30 29.49 LWL Catalina 27 Std Rig 21.41 Nordica 30 25 Beam Catalina 27 Std Rig 8.7 Nordica 30 9.77 Displacement Catalina 27 Std Rig 6439 Nordica 30 10220 Sail Area Catalina 27 Std Rig 329 Nordica 30 502 Capsize Ratio Catalina 27 Std Rig 1.87 Nordica 30 1.8 Hull Speed Catalina 27 Std Rig 6.2 Nordica 30 6.7 Sail Area to Displacement Catalina 27 Std Rig 15.21 Nordica 30 17.06 Displacement to LWL Catalina 27 Std Rig 293 Nordica 30 292 LWL to Beam Catalina 27 Std Rig 2.46 Nordica 30 2.56 Motion Comfort Catalina 27 Std Rig 24.03 Nordica 30 28.57 Pounds/Inch Catalina 27 Std Rig 666 Nordica 30 873 "Capt. Rob" wrote in message ups.com... Catalina 27 vs. Nordica 30 Quality: Mooron has himself convinced that the Nordica 30 is some kind of unknown Valiant or even or Hans Crhistian. All you have to do is visit the Nordica website to learn that these boats have not held up well, and Mooron was forced to rebuilt his interior. He himself said that the interior components are of poor quality. On the other hand many Catalina 27's of far greater age than his 30 are still sailing with little more than new cushions. Catalina 27's have circumnavigated: Fact! Nordica 30's have not. FACT! Speed: Neither boat is a speed demon to put it kindly, but at least if you own a Cat 27 you can race in one design fleets. The Catalina will also handle better overall. In a distance race, the Nordica 30 would have an edge based on her size, not as likely around the cans. Comfort: Mooron's sad ignorant remark about "fitting down the companionway" shows he (once again) doesn't know boats. As most people know, the Catalina 27 features a hatch that is so wide it must be considered a liability in offshore sailing (easily handled by smart sailors). Beyond that, for her size, the Catalina 27 is a FAR more comfortable boat with a big cabin and giant cockpit. Resale: When you consider that the average Nordica 30 sells for 20K or less (True, in spite of Mooron's hilarious claims of being offered 60K), she's basically priced just above the Pearson 30. This also proves that her reputation hasn't exactly wowed the sailing community, which is still willing to pay 50K for a Westsail 32 or 35K for a Island Packet 29. A 1973 Catalina 27 can be bought in good shape for about 8K, not far from half her original price! Winner: There's no doubt that the Nordica 30 has personality. But it will cost you in long term repairs and upkeep. If you want to sail buy the Catalina 27. If you want to hire yourself to be a slave to poor workmanship, by all means enjoy the Nordica 30. She'll certainly turn the heads of the misinformed. RB 35s5 NY |
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I'm afraid those numbers only prove how close the two vessels are foot
for foot. And you used the standard rig rather than the popular tall rig deep fin of course. Nice try, Mooron. Nobody here is fooled. Well...maybe Scotty potty! Thanks for the bone is any case. RB 35s5 NY |
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![]() "Capt. Rob" wrote in message ups.com... I'm afraid those numbers only prove how close the two vessels are foot for foot. And you used the standard rig rather than the popular tall rig deep fin of course. Nice try, Mooron. Nobody here is fooled. Well...maybe Scotty potty! Thanks for the bone is any case. First Off you said you had the standard rig....... secondly one of my friends owned one and I've had the opportunity to sail on and against it. The Nordica 30 is faster than the Catalina 27 on all points of sail. The Catalina 27 is a cheap squirrelly boat and the only positive thing about it is they can be had everywhere for very little money. Look at my webshots album.... you'll see the Catalina 27 next to my Nordica 30. It's the tiny thing tied along side of my anchored vessel. CM .. |
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First Off you said you had the standard rig
No one said I was comparing it to my boat, a tired and old example of the classic Catalina 27 that seems to outlast your Nordica 30 without full renovations. The Nordica 30 is faster than the Catalina 27 on all points of sail. As I clearly indicated the Nordica is the faster boat, but the deep fin tall rig Catalina 27 will be nearly as fast and also point higher. In heavy air it will have the ability to well exceed hull speed before your jallopy can lift it's heavy skirt. It will also tack faster. The Catalina 27 is a cheap squirrelly boat No review EVER of the Catalina 27 (or 30) has ever been noted as "squirrelly" and in fact they track rather well. Since everyone else does fine and you found it difficult, it's instantly clear the problem lies in your sailing ability. I mean, who ever claimed they couldn't sail a Catalina 27, the consumate beginner's boat? Mooron, that's who! Catalina 27 is a cheap Catalina is priced much like your boat and the 30's go for more than your boat. If it's cheaply built, it sure isn't reflected in what you wrote about the Nordica, and some needed full restorations on hulls much newer than my 1973 C27. I see a goofy boat and a smaller boat. What's your point? RB 35s5 NY |
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![]() "Capt. Rob" wrote in message As I clearly indicated the Nordica is the faster boat, but the deep fin tall rig Catalina 27 will be nearly as fast and also point higher. In heavy air it will have the ability to well exceed hull speed before your jallopy can lift it's heavy skirt. It will also tack faster. Ahem..... Talisker...the Catalina 27 was a tall rig version Bobsprit. Sure it could make a few degrees higher on a point ... but the cost in speed wasn't worth the compromise. It was tender, prone to getting knocked down... sailed on it's ear if it wasn't reefed to the max in medium winds.... Turning on a dime was it's only asset. You thought you had quite the boat back then didn't you.... you even challenged me to a race. Bwahahahahahahahahahaaaaa... Fool! No review EVER of the Catalina 27 (or 30) has ever been noted as "squirrelly" and in fact they track rather well. Since everyone else does fine and you found it difficult, it's instantly clear the problem lies in your sailing ability. I mean, who ever claimed they couldn't sail a Catalina 27, the consumate beginner's boat? Mooron, that's who! That's a load of **** and you know it.... It's a squirrely boat that needs a hand on the rudder at all times. Sailing is mediocre and it will keep an Autohelm whirring for enternity to keep a bearing. Cripes ... the C27 tracks like a drunken whore in high heels down a cobblestone street.... Catalina 27s are sold like a hound that won't hunt..... dirt cheap and often Catalina is priced much like your boat and the 30's go for more than your boat. If it's cheaply built, it sure isn't reflected in what you wrote about the Nordica, and some needed full restorations on hulls much newer than my 1973 C27. Your 1973 C27 was and is a POS. You're bull****ting regarding my comments on my boat.... my only complaint on the Nordica was the teak finish and the small deck scuppers..... but then you knew that didn't you. I've never restored my hull Bobsprit.... remove the triple x ablative and it's orignal gelcoat. The Catalina 30s I have no experience with.... but if they sail remotly like their counterpart C27... it's just a bigger POS. Plus they are Fin Keelers.... and that's a strike against them already. CM |
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Sure
it could make a few degrees higher on a point Bam!!!! Turning on a dime was it's only asset. Slambam!!!!! It's a squirrely boat that needs a hand on the rudder at all times. Total BS and you know it. There are TONS of reviews for the Cat 27 and none agree with you. You CAN'T sail, Mooron. You probably tried to sail the boat as if it was your Tortoise 30. You're bull****ting regarding my comments on my boat.... my only complaint Here's what YOU WROTE: "The woodwork inside is not always of the best workmanship and is a common problem with ALL Nordicas." KERPLOW!!!! I've never restored my hull Bobsprit When are you planning to and what will it cost? Based on the website, most have serious structural problems that are well hidden. Want links again? http://www.nordicaboats.com/html/projects.html BaBOOM!!!! but if they sail remotly like their counterpart C27... it's just a bigger POS. Yeah, so if a Catalina 30 has a nicer cabin, is built better and outsails the Nordica 30 snailmaster and is a POS, then the Nordica 30 must be a UPOS....Ultra POS! SpitSPLAT!!!! Plus they are Fin Keelers.... and that's a strike against them already. Yeah, most 30 foot fin keelers outsail your boat, so I see why it strikes you. DababaBLAM!!!! Oh, my poor, poor Mooron. You've just had your wig adjusted. Now go have a smoke and think about how you sank the rep of your own boat here! RB 35s5 NY |
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I'm going to sleep now, Mooron....take your time with the reply. You're
frothing and the tobacco spittle is staining your bunny slippers. G'night. RB 35s5 NY |
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![]() "Capt. Rob" wrote in message ups.com... I'm going to sleep now, Mooron....take your time with the reply. You're frothing and the tobacco spittle is staining your bunny slippers. G'night. That's overproof rum spilled from my glass while laughing at your reply and those are Beaver slippers.... same buck teeth but short ears and no fluffy tail like yours! G'night CM |
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"Swab Rob" wrote
SpitSPLAT!!!! Jeeze Mooron, haven't you gotten Bob to swallow yet? Oh, my dear, dearr Mooron. You've just had your wig adjusted. Now go have a smoke and think about me. RB 35s5 the gayest boat on ASA Slumland NY |
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