"Jonathan Ganz" wrote
No. I believe that indoctrination over the course of one's life can be
enough to prevent someone from acting intelligently or in their own
best interests. They are not able to think independently. A good
example is a significant portion of the N. Korean population. Either
by fear or religious ferver, they are trapped.


Bad example. If the NK government disappeared, and the coercion with it, the
NKs would join the south in a heartbeat.

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote
Bzzzz.. hate to tell you, but I live in California. Please take a
break Vito. You're really starting to look foolish.

Where? I'll send some of my people from Compton over to reason with you. You'd
be safe in FNYC - nobody would go there.

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote
No. I believe that indoctrination over the course of one's life can be
enough to prevent someone from acting intelligently or in their own
best interests. They are not able to think independently. A good
example is a significant portion of the N. Korean population. Either
by fear or religious ferver, they are trapped.


Bad example. If the NK government disappeared, and the coercion with it, the
NKs would join the south in a heartbeat.

Actually, there are been instances of both situations. Some people
can't change, others can.




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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote
No, I don't believe you can choose. I think you're hopeless trapped in
your own anger, even going so far as to lie to support it.

Look in a mirror. That's why you think "Jew down" offensive. Because you
hopelessly trapped in antisemetism but in denial about it.

Please take your own advice.



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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote
Not really true in all cases. Some people who are born into a religion
are programmed into it and really don't have a viable choice.

Programmed? Yes. No choice? No. All one trapped in a religion need do is study
and get the facts about it. As a child, I was programmed to believe that I was
guilty of Adam's original sin but that a man named Jesus Christ had started a
church and died to save me. Then I discovered that was all false. Creationism is
a myth, but even if you buy into it Adam's punishment was that he had to work
for a living. Is the church going to take that punishment away? No! Jesus
Christ? There was no man named Jesus Christ and the person(s) we think were did
not found modern Christianity - that was Saul of Tarsus. So, thanks to
knowledge, I'm no longer burdened by these superstitions. Then I thot to
embrace Judism - until I discovered that it was based on myth and a practical
joke. Islam? Same thing. Proving that "trapped" is like being trapped in
poverty - one is only trapped if one lacks initiative - and I have little
sympathy for lack of initiative.

You need to take a chill pill and do some research.




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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote
Try proving you're better educated and smarter than I. Go for it. So
far, you sound like a buffoon by trying to defend using the phrase
jewing down.

BSEE plus doctorates in Divinity and Metaphysics and an IQ in the high 140s.

Why do I not believe you.

Still, I see no proof...





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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote
You haven't been around very much I guess.

Only about 70 years, living or visiting all parts of the USA and some of
Canada - except of course FNYC. Only went there once - it was too filthy to
return.

Age is finally getting to you?

It's not a phobia. No one is running from the room. It's about not
tolerating abusive, racist language.

Tolerating? What are you going to do about it, whine the dude to death?

Stand up and say it isn't right. Not back down from my belief that it
isn't right.

Look up the word phobia and get back to us.

Phobia: An irrational fear or anxiety .... like a phobia about certain sounds or
words.

So, where do you see fear or anxiety in any of my response. Just
because you use racist expressions, doesn't mean I have to be afraid
of them.

No, there is nothing wrong with a *little* sensitivity but pavlovian
oversensitivity, not callousness, is the demon. Nor is there anything wrong

So far, I haven't seen your ability to do this.

That's because you are phobic.

Oh, well, if you day so! NOT

There's a difference between giving language color and being offensive
for no reason. The latter is what we're talking about.

On the contrary. The whole discussion began over the phrase "Jew down" which, if
it carries any insult the insult exists only in the minds of those who dislike
Jews or are ashamed of being Jewish.

No, expressions like this cause harm, sometimes physical harm to
people if the people who use them are not called on their behavior. If
you've lived 70 years, you would get that unless you lived in a pickle
jar the whole time.

But, that's what you do. Stop trying to play psychologist. You're not
very good at it.

Good enough to know that you are phobic because you are prejudiced but in
denial.

Sure, whatever.



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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote
Bzzzz.. hate to tell you, but I live in California. Please take a
break Vito. You're really starting to look foolish.

Where? I'll send some of my people from Compton over to reason with you. You'd
be safe in FNYC - nobody would go there.

Some of your people?? Now that's funny.




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Vito wrote:
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote
No. I believe that indoctrination over the course of one's life can be
enough to prevent someone from acting intelligently or in their own
best interests. They are not able to think independently. A good
example is a significant portion of the N. Korean population. Either
by fear or religious ferver, they are trapped.


Bad example. If the NK government disappeared, and the coercion with it,
the
NKs would join the south in a heartbeat.

Actually, there are been instances of both situations. Some people
can't change, others can.

Neither of you two seem to realize that the young folks in S. Korea (under
the age of roughly 30 or so) strongly dislike the US, and want nothing more
than a reunited Korea. Most feel the US is responsible for polarizing the
country and keeping it that way. They may be right, but chances are the
resulting united Korea would be a bit more like the north than the south.
That would be most unfortunate considering the huge economic impact on the
world that South Korea is currently experiencing.

Max

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Vito wrote:
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote
No. I believe that indoctrination over the course of one's life can be
enough to prevent someone from acting intelligently or in their own
best interests. They are not able to think independently. A good
example is a significant portion of the N. Korean population. Either
by fear or religious ferver, they are trapped.


Bad example. If the NK government disappeared, and the coercion with it,
the
NKs would join the south in a heartbeat.

Actually, there are been instances of both situations. Some people
can't change, others can.

Neither of you two seem to realize that the young folks in S. Korea (under
the age of roughly 30 or so) strongly dislike the US, and want nothing more
than a reunited Korea. Most feel the US is responsible for polarizing the
country and keeping it that way. They may be right, but chances are the
resulting united Korea would be a bit more like the north than the south.
That would be most unfortunate considering the huge economic impact on the
world that South Korea is currently experiencing.

I realize it quite well, especially after you pointed it out. :-)

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