Too bad for you. In any case, you're not much of a human being if you
condone this sort of behavior.

It's got nothing to do with whether or not it hurts "rational" people. The
issue is the cumlative effect of allowing this behavior to go unchallenged.

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"Vito" wrote in message
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote
Age is finally getting to you?

For sure - and it sucks.

Tolerating? What are you going to do about it, whine the dude to death?

Stand up and say it isn't right. Not back down from my belief that it
isn't right.

Ok, you'd whine them to death.

Phobia: An irrational fear or anxiety .... like a phobia about certain
sounds
or
words.

So, where do you see fear or anxiety in any of my response.

I see a pavlovian response involving irrational anxiety in all of them.

No, there is nothing wrong with a *little* sensitivity but pavlovian
oversensitivity, not callousness, is the demon. Nor is there
anything
wrong

So far, I haven't seen your ability to do this.

That's because you are phobic.

Oh, well, if you day so! NOT

Look at you knee jerk response to what you are conditioned to think are
'bad
words'. It's the same response as someone with a snake phobia who steps
on a
snake.

There's a difference between giving language color and being offensive
for no reason. The latter is what we're talking about.

No, expressions like this cause harm, sometimes physical harm to
people if the people who use them are not called on their behavior.

I didn't say that words could not hurt some people, just that words cannot
hurt
*rational* people. Someone who hates jews, for example, but is in denial,
might
be offended by 'Jew down' or 'Jew book' but the pain comes from his own
prejudices not the words which bother nobody who lacks these prejudices.
There
is no word you could speak that would cause me anxiety, let alone
irrational
anxiety.

Sure, whatever.

I'm glad you finally agree and hope you will work on your phobias.

Yeah, and you didn't learn much, apparently.

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"Vito" wrote in message
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote
Some of your people?? Now that's funny.

Hey, I lived there during my teens and early 20s - a real home boy.

"katy" wrote in message
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Our oldest son is a professor of English in Pusan (Busan) and has a Korean
wife. His take is that whatever we here in the States know about Korea is
corrupted by the American press. When we have called, concerned about
something that has happened over there, he almost always laughs and says
"Why do you believe that crap on the news? It's all propoganda." And you
are correct..the average S. Korean does want reunification. The reason,
though, is that they want the cheap labor that N. Korea would afford them.

That sounds logical, if cynical. Some close friends of ours are Korean,
visit Seoul often, and report that the younger generation is quite liberal
and anti-US in an ideological sense. Their interest in cheap labor is
non-existent. The big businesses, such as Samsung, Hyundae, Daewoo, etc.,
probably want the cheap labor. And I'm sure the North Koreans would love to
have the jobs and the incomes. Most of them, outside the military, are
starving and living in abject poverty.

When we've asked my daughter-in-law if they would ever consider moving
back here, she smiles and shakes her head. They could not have the
lifestyle here on a professor's salary that they do there. She has a
nanny for the kids and a full time housekeeper...if N. Koreans were let
in, says she, she would be able to get help for even less than they pay
now but would stuill be paying those people more than they have ever made
before.

I believe that completely.

Max

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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You're supposed advanced degree means nothing. It's just a piece of paper.

I agree, but it would also serve me well if I had the callousness to go into the
Jesus business.

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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Too bad for you. In any case, you're not much of a human being if you
condone this sort of behavior.

It's got nothing to do with whether or not it hurts "rational" people. The
issue is the cumlative effect of allowing this behavior to go unchallenged.

Same response I'd expect from anybody with a phobia about (fill in blank) when
they are told that their phobia is irrational.

"It has nothing to do with whether or not garter snakes are poisonous. The
issue is the cumulative effect of allowing one in your back yard where it might
frighten me"

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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Anyone who defends the use of a something so racially insensitive as the
term "jewing down" isn't worth much as a person. You need to wise up. One
would have thought that someone in his 70s, having seen the results of this
sort of behavior over the years, would be a little more worldly.

Anyone who thinks that any word or word can, in itself, hurt anybody is a fool.

What results are you talking about? Do you seriously believe that the halocost
occurred because Jews were good at haggling or that some folks carried Jew
books??

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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Yeah, and you didn't learn much, apparently.

Learned how to put people in the ER without killing them. Learned that random
chance is more responsible for safety than the law. Learned that it's nice to
have mean friends. Learned tht a high percent of people arrested are innocent
but criminals are seldom caught. You OTOH grew up in a world of illusion where
the worst thing that ever happened was hearing "Jew down".

For example, Compton Hi hired a big tough jock to ensure discipline - nearly 7'
and 300# of hard muscle. Bragged he could whip any five kids and we believed
him. So we brought 10. Broke his leg and hip and beat him unconscious then
made every kid in the class kick him in the head so nobody could say who killed
him and everybody was an accessory. He didn't die - somebody found him and sent
him to the ER - but he never came back to school. Rumor was brain damage .....

How did y'all handle situations like that. Oh, I forgot, the police didn't let
things like that ocurr. Bwahaha.

"Vito" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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Anyone who defends the use of a something so racially insensitive as the
term "jewing down" isn't worth much as a person. You need to wise up. One
would have thought that someone in his 70s, having seen the results of
this
sort of behavior over the years, would be a little more worldly.

Anyone who thinks that any word or word can, in itself, hurt anybody is a
fool.

Like I said, you need to get out more.

What results are you talking about? Do you seriously believe that the
halocost
occurred because Jews were good at haggling or that some folks carried Jew
books??

Are you really that stupid?

"Vito" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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Too bad for you. In any case, you're not much of a human being if you
condone this sort of behavior.

It's got nothing to do with whether or not it hurts "rational" people.
The
issue is the cumlative effect of allowing this behavior to go
unchallenged.

Same response I'd expect from anybody with a phobia about (fill in blank)
when
they are told that their phobia is irrational.

Same response I'd expect from someone who is trying to defend the
indefensible.

"Vito" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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Yeah, and you didn't learn much, apparently.

Learned how to put people in the ER without killing them. Learned that
random
chance is more responsible for safety than the law. Learned that it's
nice to
have mean friends. Learned tht a high percent of people arrested are
innocent
but criminals are seldom caught. You OTOH grew up in a world of illusion
where
the worst thing that ever happened was hearing "Jew down".

For example, Compton Hi hired a big tough jock to ensure discipline -
nearly 7'
and 300# of hard muscle. Bragged he could whip any five kids and we
believed
him. So we brought 10. Broke his leg and hip and beat him unconscious
then
made every kid in the class kick him in the head so nobody could say who
killed
him and everybody was an accessory. He didn't die - somebody found him
and sent
him to the ER - but he never came back to school. Rumor was brain damage
.....

How did y'all handle situations like that. Oh, I forgot, the police
didn't let
things like that ocurr. Bwahaha.

Sounds like someone who brags a lot but can't prove anything..

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