I know the guy who makes them, but I don't get any
commission on selling them or anything like that. I do
wholeheartedly endorse the system and have one on
my boat, with the caveat that I think a good track system
is of equal or greater importance. I plan to put a Strong
Track on my boat this spring.

The Dutchman is a very nice system. Point to anything better
on the market! You can't because there is nothing better.
Perhaps if you have a slug of a boat with no sail shaping
capabilities you could make an argument for in-boom furling.
My choice would be to have some mast bend adjustability.

On the negative side. Dutchman systems are better used on
newer sails which can develop a shape memory, or heavier sails.


"Dave" wrote

Hate to say it, Bart, but in view of your affiliation this repeat of your
earlier message is approaching spam.

I don't disagree about its being a nice system. But one must exercise a
little restraint with his enthusiasm.

The guy who developed and sells the Dutchman System is
a buddy of mine.

Dave and I have sailed together--on a Dutchman equiped
boat, owned by this same fellow. As I recall, you liked
the system Dave, didn't you? What is your opinion?

"Capt. JG" wrote
affiliation? what, with sailing?

"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
Quite frankly, you're just being a belligerent dumb-ass here.


Maxprop wrote:
Hi there, Doug. Just thought I'd remind you when you engage in name
calling, since you seem to believe you seldom or never do.


Not at all... did I say I *never* do? Just rarely, and only when
justified.

To blame this accident on the roller furler is just plain stupid. To use
this incident as "proof" that roller furlers are no good, and insist on
that proof loudly, is going a few step further.... what would you call
that?

You're absolutely right, of course. I couldn't agree more. My point is:
if you were discussing this with Joe over a beer and chips/salsa, would you
have referred to him as a "belligerent dumb-ass" to his face? The
impersonal nature of Usenet seems to bring out the worst sort of
belligerence in us all, I think.

Max

"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
Thom Stewart wrote:
I'd call that name calling!


Good thing this isn't an election. I just lost another vote!

At least you didn't shoot anyone.

Max

I'll keep this in mind for my next boat!

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Bart Senior" .@. wrote in message ...
The guy who developed and sells the Dutchman System is
a buddy of mine.

Dave and I have sailed together--on a Dutchman equiped
boat, owned by this same fellow. As I recall, you liked
the system Dave, didn't you? What is your opinion?

"Capt. JG" wrote
affiliation? what, with sailing?

"Maxprop" wrote ...

You're absolutely right, of course. I couldn't agree
more. My point is:
if you were discussing this with Joe over a beer and
chips/salsa, would you
have referred to him as a "belligerent dumb-ass" to his
face? The
impersonal nature of Usenet seems to bring out the worst
sort of
belligerence in us all, I think.


Over beers and chips/salsa? I would call him a ''dumb-ass
Texan red neck lubber'' , while smiling, of course.

Scotty

To blame this accident on the roller furler is just plain stupid. To use
this incident as "proof" that roller furlers are no good, and insist on
that proof loudly, is going a few step further.... what would you call
that?


Maxprop wrote:
You're absolutely right, of course. I couldn't agree more. My point is:
if you were discussing this with Joe over a beer and chips/salsa, would you
have referred to him as a "belligerent dumb-ass" to his face?

That depends on how belligerent he was to start with. For
the most part, I believe in curtesy & good manners but I
don't waste my time trying to be polite to people who are
deliberately trying to start a fight.

... The
impersonal nature of Usenet seems to bring out the worst sort of
belligerence in us all, I think.


That's absolutely true. Explains why some people act that
way all the time!

DSK

Thom Stewart wrote:
I'd call that name calling!


Good thing this isn't an election. I just lost another vote!


Maxprop wrote:
At least you didn't shoot anyone.


Not this time, anyway. But the thread isn't over yet

DSK

You could not handle our Salsa yankee boy.

Better stick to squirty cheese on your chips.

Joe

Joe wrote:
You could not handle our Salsa yankee boy.

Better stick to squirty cheese on your chips.


** * ** * ** begin quote ** * ** * **
"Recently I was honored to be selected as an outstanding famous
celebrity in Texas, to be a judge at a chili cookoff, because no
one else wanted to do it. Also the original person called in
sick
at the last moment, and I happened to be standing there at the
judge's table asking directions to the beer wagon when the call
came. I was assured by the other two judges (Native Texans) that
the chili wouldn't be all that spicy, and besides they told me I
could have free beer during the tasting, so I accepted."

Here are the scorecards from the event:

Chili # 1: Mike's Maniac Mobster Monster Chili

JUDGE ONE: A little too heavy on tomato. Amusing kick.

JUDGE TWO: Nice, smooth tomato flavor. Very mild.

ME: Holy smokes, what the hell is this stuff? You could remove
dried paint from your driveway with it. Took me two beers to put
the flames out. Hope that's the worst one. These hicks are
crazy.

Chili # 2: Arthur's Afterburner Chili

JUDGE ONE: Smoky (barbecue?) with a hint of pork. Slight
Jalapeno
tang.

JUDGE TWO: Exciting BBQ flavor, needs more peppers to be taken
seriously.

ME: Keep this out of reach of children! I'm not sure what I am
supposed to taste besides pain. I had to wave off two people who
wanted to give me the Heimlich maneuver. Shoved my way to the
front of the beer line.

Chili # 3: Fred's Famous Burn Down the Barn Chili

JUDGE ONE: Excellent firehouse chili! Great kick. Needs more
beans.

JUDGE TWO: A beanless chili, a bit salty, good use of red
peppers.

ME: This has got to be a joke. Call the EPA, I've located a
uranium spill. My nose feels like I have been snorting Drano.
Everyone knows the routine by now and got out of my way so I
could make it to the beer wagon. Barmaid pounded me on the back;
now my backbone is in the front part of my chest.

Chili # 4: Bubba's Black Magic

JUDGE ONE: Black bean chili with almost no spice. Disappointing.

JUDGE TWO: Hint of lime in the black beans. Good sidedish for
fish or other mild foods, not much of a chili.

ME: I felt something scraping across my tongue, but was unable
to taste it. Sally, the barmaid, was standing behind me with
fresh refills so I wouldn't have to dash over to see her.

Chili # 5: Linda's Legal Lip Remover

JUDGE ONE: Meaty, strong chili. Cayenne peppers freshly ground,
adding considerable kick. Very impressive.

JUDGE TWO: Chili using shredded beef; could use more tomato.
Must
admit the cayenne peppers make a strong statement.

ME: My ears are ringing, and I can no longer focus my eyes. I
farted and four people behind me needed paramedics. The
contestant seemed hurt when I told her that her chili had given
me brain damage. Sally saved my tongue by pouring beer directly
on it from a pitcher. Sort of irritates me that one of the other
judges asked me to stop screaming.

Chili # 6: Vera's Very Vegetarian Variety

JUDGE ONE: Thin yet bold vegetarian variety chili. Good balance
of spice and peppers.

JUDGE TWO: The best yet. Aggressive use of peppers, onions, and
garlic. Superb.

ME: My intestines are now a straight pipe filled with gaseous
flames. No one seems inclined to stand behind me except
Sally the
barmaid.

Chili # 7: Susan's Screaming Sensation Chili

JUDGE ONE: A mediocre chili with too much reliance on canned
peppers.

JUDGE TWO: Ho Hum, tastes as if the chef threw in canned chili
peppers at the last moment. I should note that I am worried
about
Judge Number 3. He appears to be in a bit of distress.

ME: You could put a grenade in my mouth and pull the pin, and I
wouldn't feel it. I've lost the sight in one eye, and the world
sounds like it is made of rushing water. My clothes are covered
with chili, which slid unnoticed out of my mouth at some point.
Good! At autopsy they'll know what killed me. I've decided to
stop breathing, it's too painful, and I'm not getting any oxygen
anyway. If I need air I'll just suck it in through the 4-inch
hole in my stomach.

Chili # 8: Helen's Mount Saint Chili

JUDGE ONE: A perfect ending, this is a nice blend chili,
safe for
all, not too bold but spicy enough to declare its existence.

JUDGE TWO: This final entry is a good, balanced chili, neither
mild nor hot. Sorry to see that most of it was lost when Judge
Number 3 fell and pulled the chili pot on top of himself.

DOC: -------(Judge #3 was unable to report)