Just installed the Standard Horizon Quantum GX2360S VHF radio and RAM+
mic.

This is a large radio with a typcial feature set, but also featuring
excellent WP ratings and a very well build case. Controls have better
feel and are easier to use than most small consumer oriented models. SH
does not call this a comercial unit, but it's quite close with knobs
big enough for gloved hands and a very large amber display that will
also repeat GPS data.
Combined with a second station RAM+ mic this is a well designed VHF,
but the VHF handset is even larger than the original RAM mic and may be
a bit too large for some hands. Sound quality on both ends is excellent
and for larger boats this works well as a intercom. The unit also
features a PA amp output feature that will come in more handy for those
with powerboaters.
Aboard the 35s5, our electronics panel is not deep and mounted on an
angle, though the radio fits well enough. Be sure to measure your panel
before committing to this more expensive radio. We opted to remove the
Uniden WHAM wireless VHF system for this higher quality model.
A radio check easily made Port Jeff with clear audio on both ends. My
friend could easily hear us from his boat with it's 50 foot mast. Using
a small fixed mount Ray Jeff I could copy his signal mixed with some
noise. He said our signal had very little noise. A few more tests led
me to believe that this radio deserves it's reputation.

If you're looking for a nicer radio, this may be just the ticket.


RB
35s5
NY

All you have managed to do is read and regurgitate the sales brochure.
You've provided no new information and certainly nothing gained from
experience or expert knowledge.

As far as your "radio check" to Port Jefferson it's no big deal. People
regularly contact astronauts aboard the space shuttle or space station using
much less power in the same frequency band and they have to go through the
ionosphere.

If you want to really test it, test it with many high power transmitters in
proximity. Test it on all channels while trying to receive a weak signal.
How long can you hold the key down without frying the output?

Do the instrument lights dim? Do they cause night blindness? Are the
electronics and circuit boards coated? Is the case the only "waterproof"
barrier?




A radio check easily made Port Jeff with clear audio on both ends. My
friend could easily hear us from his boat with it's 50 foot mast. Using
a small fixed mount Ray Jeff I could copy his signal mixed with some
noise. He said our signal had very little noise.


Do you know what this means? He picks you up with very little noise and you
pick him up with noise.

Bwaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaa!!!!!!

Amen!

Do you know what this means? He picks you up with very little noise and
you
pick him up with noise.

Since we've spoken back and forth using a variety of gear over a few
years and nothing worked as clearly as the Standard Horizon, yes, we
know.

All you have managed to do is read and regurgitate the sales
brochure.

Please show us all where the brochure mentions the RAM+ is too big.

Do the instrument lights dim? Do they cause night blindness? Are the

electronics and circuit boards coated? Is the case the only
"waterproof"
barrier?

If you don't know the answer to these questions, you've been away far
too long. Or to be painfully blunt:
1) Most displays are set for a low illumination to start with or have
red/amber displays or adjustable displays. No one is staring at VHF
displays on dark nights and ruining their night vision. But that was a
funny one!
2) Even marine el-cheapo stereos have coated boards these days.
3) Icom and Standard offer 3 year WP warranty, but only my Icom's ever
needed service. Even my old SH handheld outlasted the Icom MV1.

As far as your "radio check" to Port Jefferson it's no big deal.

Who said it was? I indicated that it was possible with other radios as
well.

Try harder, Bob!


RB
35s5
NY

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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Do you know what this means? He picks you up with very little noise and
you
pick him up with noise.

Since we've spoken back and forth using a variety of gear over a few
years and nothing worked as clearly as the Standard Horizon, yes, we
know.

The Standard Horizon transmits with 5% distortion! Read the spec! And yet
it's perfectly clear to an "audiophile"!



All you have managed to do is read and regurgitate the sales
brochure.

Please show us all where the brochure mentions the RAM+ is too big.

The brochure is too big. 4 pages of giant yachts, big pictures etc. It's
obvious who the target market is. The ICOM RAM+ (expandable to 3 no less!)
is smaller.

"Big" by what standard?




Do the instrument lights dim? Do they cause night blindness? Are the

electronics and circuit boards coated? Is the case the only
"waterproof"
barrier?

If you don't know the answer to these questions, you've been away far
too long. Or to be painfully blunt:
1) Most displays are set for a low illumination to start with or have
red/amber displays or adjustable displays. No one is staring at VHF
displays on dark nights and ruining their night vision. But that was a
funny one!

You haven't answered the question about your display! Is it adjustable? Have
you tested it for night blindness? It's the "biggest", "Most visible"
display on the market! You don't even know how it works!


2) Even marine el-cheapo stereos have coated boards these days.

Yes! The coating affects circuit performance, especially in RF circuits.
It's better to put the circuit in a hermetic, waterproof housing without any
board coating. Not a true commercial radio!


3) Icom and Standard offer 3 year WP warranty, but only my Icom's ever
needed service. Even my old SH handheld outlasted the Icom MV1.

But what about the IC-M602? It outperforms your rig hands down.



As far as your "radio check" to Port Jefferson it's no big deal.

Who said it was? I indicated that it was possible with other radios as
well.

It was the audiophile quality!

It's hilarious reading a "stereo review" for a piece of radio gear!



Try harder, Bob!

You don't have to try any harder! It's hilarious!



RB
35s5
NY

Nutsy,

Sounds good but is it really necessary in VHF? When I sailed, a main
goal was to brake the contact with shore. The Peace of just being AWAY
was one of the main goals of Pneuma, my Dog and myself and crew.

http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Nutsy,

Sounds good but is it really necessary in VHF? When I sailed, a main
goal was to brake the contact with shore. The Peace of just being AWAY
was one of the main goals of Pneuma, my Dog and myself and crew.

http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage


If the radio goes down they can always hail someone on the beach with the
loudspeaker function since he's never far from shore. If it's a real
emergency the guy on the beach can wade out and render assistance!


Glory!

The Standard Horizon transmits with 5% distortion! Read the spec! And
yet
it's perfectly clear to an "audiophile"!


Distortion measurements seek maximum, not average or typical. Some of
the finest pre-amps ever made had 3-5% distortion. Of course, for
simple voice transmission 5% means nothing. This just proves you know
nothing about radios except what you're googling. Do you know what that
distortion is or where it lies, the frequencies it's more likely to
effect? Of course you don't.

Yes! The coating affects circuit performance, especially in RF
circuits.
It's better to put the circuit in a hermetic, waterproof housing
without any
board coating. Not a true commercial radio!

Well then, Icom is screwing up because they use coated boards, just
like every other maker. Ooops!

But what about the IC-M602? It outperforms your rig hands down.

No, it doesn't. It performs at the level for which it was designed. The
top end Standard (more expensive) is also designed to perform at it's
specific level. My radio is certainly better than most. Let's be
honest. Most people pay 100-150 bucks for el-cheapo Icom gear (and
guess what about those waterproof claims?). I got the real deal at
least.

You haven't answered the question about your display! Is it adjustable? Have
you tested it for night blindness? It's the "biggest", "Most visible"
display on the market! You don't even know how it works!

One of the best displays on the market, it has not only lighting
control, but also contrast settings! It can also be toggled off.

Oh, Bob!!! You didn't google very well!!!!!

RB
35s5
NY

Sounds good but is it really necessary in VHF? When I sailed, a main
goal was to brake the contact with shore. The Peace of just being AWAY
was one of the main goals of Pneuma, my Dog and myself and crew.


Thom, the Uniden that came with Heart of Gold was just fine. Then the
yard gave us this radio new in the box after a customer's boat was
repo'd. With the second station mic it cost over 400 bucks....It's a
really nice radio, so in it went. Most of the VHF radios out there are
pretty good, though a few recent West Marine and Icom's were lemons. I
just knew posting my "review" of an expensive VHF would send Bob
a-googling!....and off he went.
Oh, and the old Uniden was white and didn't really match the interior!

RB
35s5
NY

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
The Standard Horizon transmits with 5% distortion! Read the spec! And
yet
it's perfectly clear to an "audiophile"!


Distortion measurements seek maximum, not average or typical. Some of
the finest pre-amps ever made had 3-5% distortion. Of course, for
simple voice transmission 5% means nothing. This just proves you know
nothing about radios except what you're googling. Do you know what that
distortion is or where it lies, the frequencies it's more likely to
effect? Of course you don't.


That's transmitter distortion. It's a measure of the linearity of a variable
reactance modulator. The maximum frequency deviation is a constant 5 KHz by
Federal Regulations. The distortion is probably from trying to modulate a
dual modulus pre-scaled synthesized signal by applying the modulating
voltage to a hyperabrupt varactor tuning diode incorporated into the voltage
controlled oscillator. One problem is that the voltage signal works against
the control loop error signal and another problem is the inherent non
linearity of the 1/(LC)^0.5 tuning of the hyperabrupt varactor diode. The
control loop bandwidth must be less than the lower cutoff of audio bandwidth
so the modulating and loop error signal do not cancel. In fact, the class C
amplifier used to amplify the modulated RF signal introduces distortion of
less than 0.1% into the signal. That's because it is a saturating zero
crossing amplifer, not a envelope amplifier.

Why on earth are you comparing a audio frequency pre amplifier circuit to a
150 MHz RF FM modulator?




Yes! The coating affects circuit performance, especially in RF
circuits.
It's better to put the circuit in a hermetic, waterproof housing
without any
board coating. Not a true commercial radio!

Well then, Icom is screwing up because they use coated boards, just
like every other maker. Ooops!

The secret is in the coating of the boards! Something of which you know
nothing! I've seen lots of maritime radios with no coating on the boards.



But what about the IC-M602? It outperforms your rig hands down.

No, it doesn't. It performs at the level for which it was designed. The
top end Standard (more expensive) is also designed to perform at it's
specific level. My radio is certainly better than most. Let's be
honest. Most people pay 100-150 bucks for el-cheapo Icom gear (and
guess what about those waterproof claims?). I got the real deal at
least.

Read the measured performance specs on the radios. That ICOM uses 20% lower
power in receive, has much better adjacent channel rejection, less
distortion, lower spurious response, better IP3, uses 3 RAM+ sets, smaller
RAM+ sets, meets JIS grade 7 waterproof , has a second receiver that is on
continuously, hand full weather band coverage, much sharper spectral
envelope.


You haven't answered the question about your display! Is it adjustable?
Have
you tested it for night blindness? It's the "biggest", "Most visible"
display on the market! You don't even know how it works!

One of the best displays on the market, it has not only lighting
control, but also contrast settings! It can also be toggled off.

Every radio has that. The IC-M602 is even better!



Oh, Bob!!! You didn't google very well!!!!!

Why don't you do a little Googling to find the difference between an RF
modulator and an audio pre amp?

Glory!

Nutsy,

I had a Rule on Pneuma. All Cell phone shut-off while underway. That was
Sail or power. By the way, had more trouble with the female crew than
the male. I did have the VHF on ( Coastee Reg) but with Volume turned
down MAX.

http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage