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"Capt" Rob wrote:
.... I was paid 470.00 for a post insurance sea trial last week
and make 70 dollars per hour.


So you're a full member of either SAMS or NAMS?

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DSK wrote:
"Capt" Rob wrote:
.... I was paid 470.00 for a post insurance sea trial last week
and make 70 dollars per hour.


So you're a full member of either SAMS or NAMS?

DSK



No, I work under the boatyard's insurance and certification. I also
handled a boat tow last week, piloting a 24 foot tow-boat to bring is a
disabled Columbia 34. I've captained 4 sea trials over the last few
weeks as well. At this point there's no boat I can't handle, though I'm
still rough around the edges with bigger twin screw yachts.
If things continue onward and upward, I'll probably end up having to
get a captain's licence so I can do jobs outside of the yard. No big
deal...my ex-girlfriend passed hers just by reading the book and taking
one nav class at the Museum of Natural History.


RB
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Congratulations on your honesty. I totally believe the part
where you said "No."

DSK



So you're a full member of either SAMS or NAMS?



"Capt" Rob wrote:
No, I work under the boatyard's insurance and certification. I also
handled a boat tow last week, piloting a 24 foot tow-boat to bring is a
disabled Columbia 34. I've captained 4 sea trials over the last few
weeks as well. At this point there's no boat I can't handle, though I'm
still rough around the edges with bigger twin screw yachts.
If things continue onward and upward, I'll probably end up having to
get a captain's licence so I can do jobs outside of the yard. No big
deal...my ex-girlfriend passed hers just by reading the book and taking
one nav class at the Museum of Natural History.


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Congratulations on your honesty. I totally believe the part
where you said "No."


Doug...why don't you call my yard and ask them for help with a sailboat
purchase. Tell them you need an expert to discuss one of the boats
available in the yard. Tell them you'll want a survey and sea trial.
Ask them who can help and see whose number they give you.

RB
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"Capt" Rob wrote:
Doug...why don't you call my yard and ask them for help with a sailboat
purchase. Tell them you need an expert to discuss one of the boats
available in the yard. Tell them you'll want a survey and sea trial.
Ask them who can help and see whose number they give you.


Is the same boatyard that you were advertising for cheap
stacked storage?

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Is the same boatyard that you were advertising for cheap
stacked storage?


We have 220 slips at NMYC, including some on the south side, 120 rack
spaces and 24 moorings. Slips are singles, each with power, water and
phone. Wireless internet is being installed now. We also have a full
service shop, travellift and brokerage, the largest in the area by far.
If you know any America Cup history, then you know that quite a few cup
boats were built at my yard.
You're welcome to call there. I'm the resident sailboat specialist and
also have worked deals through various sail lofts for our members. When
you see my new sails, you'll wonder what I paid for them. You sure
won't like the answer, Doug.
You're a powerboater. I'm a sailor. More of a sailor than you because I
actually have made it part of my life and am compensated for it nicely.

Hope you're enjoying the trawler, Doug.


RB
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Capt. Rob wrote:
Is the same boatyard that you were advertising for cheap
stacked storage?


We have 220 slips at NMYC, including some on the south side, 120 rack
spaces and 24 moorings. Slips are singles, each with power, water and
phone. Wireless internet is being installed now. We also have a full
service shop, travellift and brokerage, the largest in the area by far.
If you know any America Cup history, then you know that quite a few cup
boats were built at my yard.
You're welcome to call there. I'm the resident sailboat specialist and
also have worked deals through various sail lofts for our members. When
you see my new sails, you'll wonder what I paid for them. You sure
won't like the answer, Doug.
You're a powerboater. I'm a sailor. More of a sailor than you because I
actually have made it part of my life and am compensated for it nicely.

Hope you're enjoying the trawler, Doug.


RB
35s5
NY


By viewing your adverts all I see is old abandoned powerboats that you
sell. It looks like if it washes up on the beach you'll run over to
claim it and then sell it.

No respectable broker would let you near a real boat. You aren't even a
licensed surveyor.

You are a boatyard groupie.

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"Swab Rob" wrote

Scotty's time is worth nothing, so he'll waste a day

fixing a 300
dollar hull. I was paid 470.00 for a post insurance sea

trial last week
and make 70 dollars per hour. My time is not something to

be wasted
when I can be sailing.


On Monday I made $2200 in 14 hours. You do the math.

But yesterday I spent 4 hours changing 2 motorcycle tires,
about a $30 bill from a bike shop.

Go figure.

S




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Gee, and I thought I did well with getting $1500 for about 10 hours....

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"Scotty" wrote in message
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"Swab Rob" wrote

Scotty's time is worth nothing, so he'll waste a day

fixing a 300
dollar hull. I was paid 470.00 for a post insurance sea

trial last week
and make 70 dollars per hour. My time is not something to

be wasted
when I can be sailing.


On Monday I made $2200 in 14 hours. You do the math.

But yesterday I spent 4 hours changing 2 motorcycle tires,
about a $30 bill from a bike shop.

Go figure.

S






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Maxprop wrote:

Questions:

I have an old Laser which has a hull/deck flange. The bond is lost along
quite a bit of the flange.


Do you mean that the the flange is damaged, big chunks torn out of it, or
that the area of the bond between layers is gone soft & cheesy?


The deck and the hull have simply separated at the flange.


.... It appears that someone attempted to rebond it with epoxy at one
time, but unsuccessfully.


It was probably considered successful, at least for a while.


A pretty sloppy job, actually. Lots of epoxy where it doesn't belong--I've
removed it already, and the epoxy failed to bond the deck and hull at the
flange.


My questions are these: 1) Since polyurethane adhesive, such as 3M 5200,
is often used as a hull-to-deck bonding agent on larger boats, wouldn't
polyurethane be suitable for a smaller boat, too?


Yes. A lot of people like Sikaflex better.


Isn't that polysulfide? Or do they make a polyurethane, too?

.... 2) The space between the two shells along the flange is too narrow
to get something as thick as 5200 to flow into it. Since Gorilla Glue is
a polyurethane adhesive, any reason it wouldn't work as well? It would
flow nicely into the space and it expands when it cures, which would fill
the space nicely.

Any opinions or experience with Gorilla?


I haven't used Gorilla Glue much, and IMHO it isn't really very strong (so
I don't plan to use it in the future). It does not fill gaps very well
either (again IMHO), seems to foam up.

The best way to repair a hull/deck joint is to seperate them and re-attach
them along the full length. Yes it's a PITA. But if you need a project for
a long winter, it's great. At some point along the way, you'll be telling
yourself 'it'd be easier to just build a d^%% boat from scratch' which
tells you you're on the right track.


The hull/deck bond is just solid enough in enough places as to render this
not an option. Some serious cutting would be required, which I have neither
the time nor the stomach for. I'd like to just rebond the flange where it
is separated. This is an "old" Laser, the racing career of which is long
over. I'd like to give it to the kids of some friends for them to learn how
to sail. But it won't hold up well if I can't fix the unbonded areas.

Max


 
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