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Maxprop June 15th 06 03:34 AM

Hull-to-deck bond----semi-technical questions
 
Questions:

I have an old Laser which has a hull/deck flange. The bond is lost along
quite a bit of the flange. It appears that someone attempted to rebond it
with epoxy at one time, but unsuccessfully.

My questions are these: 1) Since polyurethane adhesive, such as 3M 5200, is
often used as a hull-to-deck bonding agent on larger boats, wouldn't
polyurethane be suitable for a smaller boat, too? 2) The space between the
two shells along the flange is too narrow to get something as thick as 5200
to flow into it. Since Gorilla Glue is a polyurethane adhesive, any reason
it wouldn't work as well? It would flow nicely into the space and it
expands when it cures, which would fill the space nicely.

Any opinions or experience with Gorilla?

TIA,

Max



DSK June 15th 06 12:30 PM

Hull-to-deck bond----semi-technical questions
 
Maxprop wrote:

Questions:

I have an old Laser which has a hull/deck flange. The bond is lost along
quite a bit of the flange.


Do you mean that the the flange is damaged, big chunks torn
out of it, or that the area of the bond between layers is
gone soft & cheesy?

.... It appears that someone attempted to rebond it
with epoxy at one time, but unsuccessfully.


It was probably considered successful, at least for a while.

My questions are these: 1) Since polyurethane adhesive, such as 3M 5200, is
often used as a hull-to-deck bonding agent on larger boats, wouldn't
polyurethane be suitable for a smaller boat, too?


Yes. A lot of people like Sikaflex better.

.... 2) The space between the
two shells along the flange is too narrow to get something as thick as 5200
to flow into it. Since Gorilla Glue is a polyurethane adhesive, any reason
it wouldn't work as well? It would flow nicely into the space and it
expands when it cures, which would fill the space nicely.

Any opinions or experience with Gorilla?


I haven't used Gorilla Glue much, and IMHO it isn't really
very strong (so I don't plan to use it in the future). It
does not fill gaps very well either (again IMHO), seems to
foam up.

The best way to repair a hull/deck joint is to seperate them
and re-attach them along the full length. Yes it's a PITA.
But if you need a project for a long winter, it's great. At
some point along the way, you'll be telling yourself 'it'd
be easier to just build a d^%% boat from scratch' which
tells you you're on the right track.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King


Capt. Rob June 15th 06 12:43 PM

Hull-to-deck bond----semi-technical questions
 

Max, why waste sailing time? Sell the thing to someone who wants the
job and buy a better Laser hull. They are very cheap and easy to find.
I have a nice hull for 300 bucks...you're too far away though.


RB
35s5
NY


Scotty June 15th 06 01:08 PM

Hull-to-deck bond----semi-technical questions
 


--
"Swab Rob" wrote
Max, why waste sailing time? Sell the thing to someone who

wants the
job and buy a better Laser hull. They are very cheap and

easy to find.
I have a nice hull for 300 bucks...you're too far away

though.


yeah, no sense fixing things.

If a winch stops working, sell the boat!

S



Capt. Rob June 15th 06 01:37 PM

Hull-to-deck bond----semi-technical questions
 
though.

yeah, no sense fixing things.



Ever try this repair, Scotty? Laser's are a dime a dozen. Maybe you can
start a laser repair company to save all the bad ones!
Ignorance is bliss...and Scotty's pal.


RB
35s5
NY


Scotty June 15th 06 01:53 PM

Hull-to-deck bond----semi-technical questions
 


--
"Swab Rob" wrote
yeah, no sense fixing things.



Ever try this repair, Scotty? Laser's are a dime a dozen.

Maybe you can
start a laser repair company to save all the bad ones!
My Ignorance is bliss...


Right. Just because you're too stupid and klutzy to do boat
repairs, doesn'y mean everybody is.

S



Bob Crantz June 15th 06 02:03 PM

Hull-to-deck bond----semi-technical questions
 
Gorilla glue foams up to much. Air bubbles add no strength. It also doesn't
stick to everything.

Try West Epoxy and a syringe.

As a general rule use the best glue possible for the job. Otherwise, the
second time you do the job (and you will) you'll have to remove all the
glue.

Check the 3M website for adhesives. They have some amazing stuff. The had
some spray adhesives that held fiberglass together at over Mach 1 on
aircraft wings. (The fiberglass was not structural, it was an aperture). The
same glue could be used to adhere Katy to the outhouse seat.

Glory!



"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
Maxprop wrote:

Questions:

I have an old Laser which has a hull/deck flange. The bond is lost along
quite a bit of the flange.


Do you mean that the the flange is damaged, big chunks torn out of it, or
that the area of the bond between layers is gone soft & cheesy?

.... It appears that someone attempted to rebond it with epoxy at one
time, but unsuccessfully.


It was probably considered successful, at least for a while.

My questions are these: 1) Since polyurethane adhesive, such as 3M 5200,
is often used as a hull-to-deck bonding agent on larger boats, wouldn't
polyurethane be suitable for a smaller boat, too?


Yes. A lot of people like Sikaflex better.

.... 2) The space between the two shells along the flange is too narrow
to get something as thick as 5200 to flow into it. Since Gorilla Glue is
a polyurethane adhesive, any reason it wouldn't work as well? It would
flow nicely into the space and it expands when it cures, which would fill
the space nicely.

Any opinions or experience with Gorilla?


I haven't used Gorilla Glue much, and IMHO it isn't really very strong (so
I don't plan to use it in the future). It does not fill gaps very well
either (again IMHO), seems to foam up.

The best way to repair a hull/deck joint is to seperate them and re-attach
them along the full length. Yes it's a PITA. But if you need a project for
a long winter, it's great. At some point along the way, you'll be telling
yourself 'it'd be easier to just build a d^%% boat from scratch' which
tells you you're on the right track.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King




Scotty June 15th 06 02:14 PM

Hull-to-deck bond----semi-technical questions
 

"Bob Crantz" wrote in

Check the 3M website for adhesives. They have some amazing

stuff. The had
some spray adhesives that held Katys' beehive together at

over Mach 1

Glory!





Frank Boettcher June 15th 06 03:01 PM

Hull-to-deck bond----semi-technical questions
 
On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 02:34:14 GMT, "Maxprop"
wrote:

Questions:

I have an old Laser which has a hull/deck flange. The bond is lost along
quite a bit of the flange. It appears that someone attempted to rebond it
with epoxy at one time, but unsuccessfully.

My questions are these: 1) Since polyurethane adhesive, such as 3M 5200, is
often used as a hull-to-deck bonding agent on larger boats, wouldn't
polyurethane be suitable for a smaller boat, too? 2) The space between the
two shells along the flange is too narrow to get something as thick as 5200
to flow into it. Since Gorilla Glue is a polyurethane adhesive, any reason
it wouldn't work as well? It would flow nicely into the space and it
expands when it cures, which would fill the space nicely.

Any opinions or experience with Gorilla?

TIA,

Max



I would not use Gorilla glue. It expands but if the cracks are too
big it expands in the maner of an expanding foam and offers no real
strength in the crack or is it likely to be a waterproof seal.

wear gloves if you use Gorilla glue for any purpose. If it cures on
your hands they will turn black and only time will remove it.

Frank

Capt. Rob June 15th 06 03:06 PM

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wrote....Right. Just because you're too
stupid and klutzy



Scotty's time is worth nothing, so he'll waste a day fixing a 300
dollar hull. I was paid 470.00 for a post insurance sea trial last week
and make 70 dollars per hour. My time is not something to be wasted
when I can be sailing.
Sorry, Scotty Potty. I understand that it's probably worthwhile for you
to fix a 300 dollar hull even if it takes a month!


RB
35s5
NY


DSK June 15th 06 04:16 PM

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"Capt" Rob wrote:
.... I was paid 470.00 for a post insurance sea trial last week
and make 70 dollars per hour.


So you're a full member of either SAMS or NAMS?

DSK


Capt. Rob June 15th 06 04:25 PM

Hull-to-deck bond----semi-technical questions
 

DSK wrote:
"Capt" Rob wrote:
.... I was paid 470.00 for a post insurance sea trial last week
and make 70 dollars per hour.


So you're a full member of either SAMS or NAMS?

DSK



No, I work under the boatyard's insurance and certification. I also
handled a boat tow last week, piloting a 24 foot tow-boat to bring is a
disabled Columbia 34. I've captained 4 sea trials over the last few
weeks as well. At this point there's no boat I can't handle, though I'm
still rough around the edges with bigger twin screw yachts.
If things continue onward and upward, I'll probably end up having to
get a captain's licence so I can do jobs outside of the yard. No big
deal...my ex-girlfriend passed hers just by reading the book and taking
one nav class at the Museum of Natural History.


RB
35s5
NY


DSK June 15th 06 04:31 PM

Hull-to-deck bond----semi-technical questions
 
Congratulations on your honesty. I totally believe the part
where you said "No."

DSK



So you're a full member of either SAMS or NAMS?



"Capt" Rob wrote:
No, I work under the boatyard's insurance and certification. I also
handled a boat tow last week, piloting a 24 foot tow-boat to bring is a
disabled Columbia 34. I've captained 4 sea trials over the last few
weeks as well. At this point there's no boat I can't handle, though I'm
still rough around the edges with bigger twin screw yachts.
If things continue onward and upward, I'll probably end up having to
get a captain's licence so I can do jobs outside of the yard. No big
deal...my ex-girlfriend passed hers just by reading the book and taking
one nav class at the Museum of Natural History.



Capt. Rob June 15th 06 04:35 PM

Hull-to-deck bond----semi-technical questions
 

Congratulations on your honesty. I totally believe the part
where you said "No."


Doug...why don't you call my yard and ask them for help with a sailboat
purchase. Tell them you need an expert to discuss one of the boats
available in the yard. Tell them you'll want a survey and sea trial.
Ask them who can help and see whose number they give you.

RB
35s5
NY


DSK June 15th 06 04:37 PM

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"Capt" Rob wrote:
Doug...why don't you call my yard and ask them for help with a sailboat
purchase. Tell them you need an expert to discuss one of the boats
available in the yard. Tell them you'll want a survey and sea trial.
Ask them who can help and see whose number they give you.


Is the same boatyard that you were advertising for cheap
stacked storage?

DSK


Capt. Rob June 15th 06 05:49 PM

Hull-to-deck bond----semi-technical questions
 

Is the same boatyard that you were advertising for cheap
stacked storage?


We have 220 slips at NMYC, including some on the south side, 120 rack
spaces and 24 moorings. Slips are singles, each with power, water and
phone. Wireless internet is being installed now. We also have a full
service shop, travellift and brokerage, the largest in the area by far.
If you know any America Cup history, then you know that quite a few cup
boats were built at my yard.
You're welcome to call there. I'm the resident sailboat specialist and
also have worked deals through various sail lofts for our members. When
you see my new sails, you'll wonder what I paid for them. You sure
won't like the answer, Doug.
You're a powerboater. I'm a sailor. More of a sailor than you because I
actually have made it part of my life and am compensated for it nicely.

Hope you're enjoying the trawler, Doug.


RB
35s5
NY


Bluto June 15th 06 06:24 PM

Hull-to-deck bond----semi-technical questions
 

Capt. Rob wrote:
Is the same boatyard that you were advertising for cheap
stacked storage?


We have 220 slips at NMYC, including some on the south side, 120 rack
spaces and 24 moorings. Slips are singles, each with power, water and
phone. Wireless internet is being installed now. We also have a full
service shop, travellift and brokerage, the largest in the area by far.
If you know any America Cup history, then you know that quite a few cup
boats were built at my yard.
You're welcome to call there. I'm the resident sailboat specialist and
also have worked deals through various sail lofts for our members. When
you see my new sails, you'll wonder what I paid for them. You sure
won't like the answer, Doug.
You're a powerboater. I'm a sailor. More of a sailor than you because I
actually have made it part of my life and am compensated for it nicely.

Hope you're enjoying the trawler, Doug.


RB
35s5
NY


By viewing your adverts all I see is old abandoned powerboats that you
sell. It looks like if it washes up on the beach you'll run over to
claim it and then sell it.

No respectable broker would let you near a real boat. You aren't even a
licensed surveyor.

You are a boatyard groupie.


Scotty June 16th 06 12:02 AM

Hull-to-deck bond----semi-technical questions
 

"Swab Rob" wrote

Scotty's time is worth nothing, so he'll waste a day

fixing a 300
dollar hull. I was paid 470.00 for a post insurance sea

trial last week
and make 70 dollars per hour. My time is not something to

be wasted
when I can be sailing.


On Monday I made $2200 in 14 hours. You do the math.

But yesterday I spent 4 hours changing 2 motorcycle tires,
about a $30 bill from a bike shop.

Go figure.

S





Capt. JG June 16th 06 12:22 AM

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Gee, and I thought I did well with getting $1500 for about 10 hours....

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Scotty" wrote in message
...

"Swab Rob" wrote

Scotty's time is worth nothing, so he'll waste a day

fixing a 300
dollar hull. I was paid 470.00 for a post insurance sea

trial last week
and make 70 dollars per hour. My time is not something to

be wasted
when I can be sailing.


On Monday I made $2200 in 14 hours. You do the math.

But yesterday I spent 4 hours changing 2 motorcycle tires,
about a $30 bill from a bike shop.

Go figure.

S







Maxprop June 16th 06 12:48 AM

Hull-to-deck bond----semi-technical questions
 

"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
Maxprop wrote:

Questions:

I have an old Laser which has a hull/deck flange. The bond is lost along
quite a bit of the flange.


Do you mean that the the flange is damaged, big chunks torn out of it, or
that the area of the bond between layers is gone soft & cheesy?


The deck and the hull have simply separated at the flange.


.... It appears that someone attempted to rebond it with epoxy at one
time, but unsuccessfully.


It was probably considered successful, at least for a while.


A pretty sloppy job, actually. Lots of epoxy where it doesn't belong--I've
removed it already, and the epoxy failed to bond the deck and hull at the
flange.


My questions are these: 1) Since polyurethane adhesive, such as 3M 5200,
is often used as a hull-to-deck bonding agent on larger boats, wouldn't
polyurethane be suitable for a smaller boat, too?


Yes. A lot of people like Sikaflex better.


Isn't that polysulfide? Or do they make a polyurethane, too?

.... 2) The space between the two shells along the flange is too narrow
to get something as thick as 5200 to flow into it. Since Gorilla Glue is
a polyurethane adhesive, any reason it wouldn't work as well? It would
flow nicely into the space and it expands when it cures, which would fill
the space nicely.

Any opinions or experience with Gorilla?


I haven't used Gorilla Glue much, and IMHO it isn't really very strong (so
I don't plan to use it in the future). It does not fill gaps very well
either (again IMHO), seems to foam up.

The best way to repair a hull/deck joint is to seperate them and re-attach
them along the full length. Yes it's a PITA. But if you need a project for
a long winter, it's great. At some point along the way, you'll be telling
yourself 'it'd be easier to just build a d^%% boat from scratch' which
tells you you're on the right track.


The hull/deck bond is just solid enough in enough places as to render this
not an option. Some serious cutting would be required, which I have neither
the time nor the stomach for. I'd like to just rebond the flange where it
is separated. This is an "old" Laser, the racing career of which is long
over. I'd like to give it to the kids of some friends for them to learn how
to sail. But it won't hold up well if I can't fix the unbonded areas.

Max



Maxprop June 16th 06 12:49 AM

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...

Max, why waste sailing time? Sell the thing to someone who wants the
job and buy a better Laser hull. They are very cheap and easy to find.
I have a nice hull for 300 bucks...you're too far away though.


I want to give the boat to some kids for the purpose of learning to sail.
Hate to just throw it away. With the exception of the hull/deck bond, it's
in relatively good shape.

Max



Maxprop June 16th 06 12:49 AM

Hull-to-deck bond----semi-technical questions
 

"Scotty" wrote in message
...


--
"Swab Rob" wrote
Max, why waste sailing time? Sell the thing to someone who

wants the
job and buy a better Laser hull. They are very cheap and

easy to find.
I have a nice hull for 300 bucks...you're too far away

though.


yeah, no sense fixing things.

If a winch stops working, sell the boat!


I wonder if the ashtrays are full on the Kia yet?

Max



Maxprop June 16th 06 12:54 AM

Hull-to-deck bond----semi-technical questions
 

"Frank Boettcher" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 02:34:14 GMT, "Maxprop"
wrote:

Questions:

I have an old Laser which has a hull/deck flange. The bond is lost along
quite a bit of the flange. It appears that someone attempted to rebond it
with epoxy at one time, but unsuccessfully.

My questions are these: 1) Since polyurethane adhesive, such as 3M 5200,
is
often used as a hull-to-deck bonding agent on larger boats, wouldn't
polyurethane be suitable for a smaller boat, too? 2) The space between
the
two shells along the flange is too narrow to get something as thick as
5200
to flow into it. Since Gorilla Glue is a polyurethane adhesive, any
reason
it wouldn't work as well? It would flow nicely into the space and it
expands when it cures, which would fill the space nicely.

Any opinions or experience with Gorilla?

TIA,

Max



I would not use Gorilla glue. It expands but if the cracks are too
big it expands in the maner of an expanding foam and offers no real
strength in the crack or is it likely to be a waterproof seal.

wear gloves if you use Gorilla glue for any purpose. If it cures on
your hands they will turn black and only time will remove it.


This seems to be the consensus. Back to West System epoxy.

Thanks, everyone.

Max



katy June 16th 06 01:10 AM

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Maxprop wrote:
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
Max, why waste sailing time? Sell the thing to someone who wants the
job and buy a better Laser hull. They are very cheap and easy to find.
I have a nice hull for 300 bucks...you're too far away though.


I want to give the boat to some kids for the purpose of learning to sail.
Hate to just throw it away. With the exception of the hull/deck bond, it's
in relatively good shape.

Max


Doante it to the Muskegon Yacht Club...the kids there fix things all the
time...

Bob Crantz June 16th 06 01:26 AM

Hull-to-deck bond----semi-technical questions
 

"Scotty" wrote in message
...

"Bob Crantz" wrote in

Check the 3M website for adhesives. They have some amazing

stuff. The had
some spray adhesives that held Katys' beehive together at

over Mach 1

Glory!




The beehive tested was on a Mach1 Flying Monkey.



Scotty June 16th 06 01:39 AM

Hull-to-deck bond----semi-technical questions
 
I probably worked harder than you.

SV


"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Gee, and I thought I did well with getting $1500 for about

10 hours....

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Scotty" wrote in message
...

"Swab Rob" wrote

Scotty's time is worth nothing, so he'll waste a day

fixing a 300
dollar hull. I was paid 470.00 for a post insurance sea

trial last week
and make 70 dollars per hour. My time is not something

to
be wasted
when I can be sailing.


On Monday I made $2200 in 14 hours. You do the math.

But yesterday I spent 4 hours changing 2 motorcycle

tires,
about a $30 bill from a bike shop.

Go figure.

S









Scotty June 16th 06 01:41 AM

Hull-to-deck bond----semi-technical questions
 

"Maxprop" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Scotty" wrote in message
...


--
"Swab Rob" wrote
Max, why waste sailing time? Sell the thing to someone

who
wants the
job and buy a better Laser hull. They are very cheap

and
easy to find.
I have a nice hull for 300 bucks...you're too far away

though.


yeah, no sense fixing things.

If a winch stops working, sell the boat!


I wonder if the ashtrays are full on the Kia yet?


Bob doesn't smoke, he's not allowed to have matches.

SV



Scotty June 16th 06 01:47 AM

Hull-to-deck bond----semi-technical questions
 
Oh crap, the Bull **** meter just broke again!



--
"Swab Rob" wrote

No, I work under the boatyard's insurance and

certification. I also
handled a boat tow last week, piloting a 24 foot tow-boat

to bring is a
disabled Columbia 34. I've captained 4 sea trials over the

last few
weeks as well. At this point there's no boat I can't

handle, though I'm
still rough around the edges with bigger twin screw

yachts.
If things continue onward and upward, I'll probably end up

having to
get a captain's licence so I can do jobs outside of the

yard. No big
deal...my ex-girlfriend passed hers just by reading the

book and taking
one nav class at the Museum of Natural History.


RB
35s5
NY




DSK June 16th 06 01:47 AM

Hull-to-deck bond----semi-technical questions
 
Maxprop wrote:
This seems to be the consensus. Back to West System epoxy.


It's not the cheapest stuff, but it's tried & true.

One way to fix this type of joint is to grind the gelcoat
off the outside and wrap fiberglass tape around it. Fill
gaps with silica filler (WS 406) and then slurry over that
with microfibers (WS 403), then fiberglass tape. When
sanding it smooth, don't cut thru the cloth any more than
you can help it.

If you want it really strong, use a light biaxial tape such
used for airplane kits. I used some of this stuff for the
first time

http://www.wicksaircraft.com/catalog...b58f72751 4db

or

http://tinyurl.com/nd2o3

and found it to be outstanding to work with... wraps easily,
wets out very evenly, strong enough for a battleship. The
Cadillace way to do it would be a strip of 1" then a strip
of 2" over it.

It still won't be as strong as cutting the hull free from
the deck and rebonding them, but it should be a lot quicker.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King


Scotty June 16th 06 01:48 AM

Hull-to-deck bond----semi-technical questions
 
It's really sad that at his age he's still looking for a
job.

Scotty


"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
Congratulations on your honesty. I totally believe the

part
where you said "No."

DSK



So you're a full member of either SAMS or NAMS?



"Capt" Rob wrote:
No, I work under the boatyard's insurance and

certification. I also
handled a boat tow last week, piloting a 24 foot

tow-boat to bring is a
disabled Columbia 34. I've captained 4 sea trials over

the last few
weeks as well. At this point there's no boat I can't

handle, though I'm
still rough around the edges with bigger twin screw

yachts.
If things continue onward and upward, I'll probably end

up having to
get a captain's licence so I can do jobs outside of the

yard. No big
deal...my ex-girlfriend passed hers just by reading the

book and taking
one nav class at the Museum of Natural History.





Capt. JG June 16th 06 02:00 AM

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Probably. I asked them if they wanted a discount, and they said no.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Scotty" wrote in message
...
I probably worked harder than you.

SV


"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Gee, and I thought I did well with getting $1500 for about

10 hours....

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Scotty" wrote in message
...

"Swab Rob" wrote

Scotty's time is worth nothing, so he'll waste a day
fixing a 300
dollar hull. I was paid 470.00 for a post insurance sea
trial last week
and make 70 dollars per hour. My time is not something

to
be wasted
when I can be sailing.

On Monday I made $2200 in 14 hours. You do the math.

But yesterday I spent 4 hours changing 2 motorcycle

tires,
about a $30 bill from a bike shop.

Go figure.

S











Scotty June 16th 06 02:19 AM

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When I quoted the rate, they didn't bat an eye. I should
have charged more.


"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Probably. I asked them if they wanted a discount, and they

said no.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Scotty" wrote in message
...
I probably worked harder than you.

SV


"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Gee, and I thought I did well with getting $1500 for

about
10 hours....

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Scotty" wrote in message
...

"Swab Rob" wrote

Scotty's time is worth nothing, so he'll waste a day
fixing a 300
dollar hull. I was paid 470.00 for a post insurance

sea
trial last week
and make 70 dollars per hour. My time is not

something
to
be wasted
when I can be sailing.

On Monday I made $2200 in 14 hours. You do the math.

But yesterday I spent 4 hours changing 2 motorcycle

tires,
about a $30 bill from a bike shop.

Go figure.

S













katy June 16th 06 03:03 AM

Hull-to-deck bond----semi-technical questions
 
Bob Crantz wrote:
"Scotty" wrote in message
...
"Bob Crantz" wrote in
Check the 3M website for adhesives. They have some amazing

stuff. The had
some spray adhesives that held Katys' beehive together at

over Mach 1
Glory!



The beehive tested was on a Mach1 Flying Monkey.


mach 1, heck...it held at Mach5

Scotty June 16th 06 03:27 AM

Hull-to-deck bond----semi-technical questions
 

"katy" wrote in message
...
Bob Crantz wrote:
"Scotty" wrote in message
...
"Bob Crantz" wrote in
Check the 3M website for adhesives. They have some

amazing
stuff. The had
some spray adhesives that held Katys' beehive together

at
over Mach 1
Glory!


The beehive tested was on a Mach1 Flying Monkey.


mach 1, heck...it held at Mach5



Serving beans for supper again?





katy June 16th 06 03:54 AM

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Scotty wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
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Bob Crantz wrote:
"Scotty" wrote in message
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"Bob Crantz" wrote in
Check the 3M website for adhesives. They have some

amazing
stuff. The had
some spray adhesives that held Katys' beehive together

at
over Mach 1
Glory!

The beehive tested was on a Mach1 Flying Monkey.


mach 1, heck...it held at Mach5



Serving beans for supper again?




Refrigerator soup....lots of cabbage...

Capt. JG June 16th 06 06:59 AM

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I did. :-)

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"Scotty" wrote in message
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When I quoted the rate, they didn't bat an eye. I should
have charged more.


"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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Probably. I asked them if they wanted a discount, and they

said no.

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"Scotty" wrote in message
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I probably worked harder than you.

SV


"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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Gee, and I thought I did well with getting $1500 for

about
10 hours....

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"Scotty" wrote in message
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"Swab Rob" wrote

Scotty's time is worth nothing, so he'll waste a day
fixing a 300
dollar hull. I was paid 470.00 for a post insurance

sea
trial last week
and make 70 dollars per hour. My time is not

something
to
be wasted
when I can be sailing.

On Monday I made $2200 in 14 hours. You do the math.

But yesterday I spent 4 hours changing 2 motorcycle
tires,
about a $30 bill from a bike shop.

Go figure.

S















Maxprop June 16th 06 11:09 PM

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"katy" wrote in message
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Maxprop wrote:
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
Max, why waste sailing time? Sell the thing to someone who wants the
job and buy a better Laser hull. They are very cheap and easy to find.
I have a nice hull for 300 bucks...you're too far away though.


I want to give the boat to some kids for the purpose of learning to sail.
Hate to just throw it away. With the exception of the hull/deck bond,
it's in relatively good shape.

Max

Doante it to the Muskegon Yacht Club...the kids there fix things all the
time...


I'm perfectly capable of repairing it. I've already repaired a hole in the
hull caused by a branch penetrating during a tornado. But I want to do it
only once: the right way.

Max



Maxprop June 16th 06 11:11 PM

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"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
Maxprop wrote:
This seems to be the consensus. Back to West System epoxy.


It's not the cheapest stuff, but it's tried & true.


I recently bought new cans of the stuff, so I'm equipped.


One way to fix this type of joint is to grind the gelcoat off the outside
and wrap fiberglass tape around it. Fill gaps with silica filler (WS 406)
and then slurry over that with microfibers (WS 403), then fiberglass tape.
When sanding it smooth, don't cut thru the cloth any more than you can
help it.

If you want it really strong, use a light biaxial tape such used for
airplane kits. I used some of this stuff for the first time

http://www.wicksaircraft.com/catalog...b58f72751 4db

or

http://tinyurl.com/nd2o3

and found it to be outstanding to work with... wraps easily, wets out very
evenly, strong enough for a battleship. The Cadillace way to do it would
be a strip of 1" then a strip of 2" over it.

It still won't be as strong as cutting the hull free from the deck and
rebonding them, but it should be a lot quicker.


Thanks, Doug.

Max



Maxprop June 16th 06 11:12 PM

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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Probably. I asked them if they wanted a discount, and they said no.


What did you do? And why would you ask if they wanted a discount? Are ye
nuts?

Max



Capt. JG June 17th 06 04:43 AM

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A small white paper. Actually, they paid $1900 not $1500. I like them and
their company, and want more of their business.

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"Maxprop" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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Probably. I asked them if they wanted a discount, and they said no.


What did you do? And why would you ask if they wanted a discount? Are ye
nuts?

Max





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