The Kia Sedona we rented to drive to Wyoming from Florida really was a
2006 model and we drove it for nearly 5000 miles so here is my review.

Overall, I liked it for travelling. It has lots of room, very good
climate control system with dual controls for front and back (at last,
the front and back can agree), good pickup and lots of legroom. The
MSRP tag was still in the glove box and it is about $24,000. It drove
very well with only a slight shimmy near 80 mph. It got about 23.5 mpg
at 70 mph (remember, this was serious long distance so I have lots of
data).

A minor problem was the suspension. It made the expansion joints in
concrete interstate seem like washboard roads.......brutal.

We tend to take vehicles places they are not s'posed to go and this was
no exception. We took her over nearly 4WD roads in the mountains and
she did well never bottoming out.

MAJOR PROBLEM: The transmission. Unlike most automatics that have
P,R, N, D, 2, 1 the Kia had P. R, N, D, +, -. From my reading the
manual, I think the +,- is sort of like "split" gears. In any drive
gear, you can either go up or down a half gear, a good idea in concept
but it didnt work. Obviously, for mountain driving, lower gears are a
necessity for going up or down steep grades. With a normal automatic,
you simply use the 2 or 1 (sometimes labelled 2 or 3) to go up a sttep
grade and use the same for engine braking going down steep winding
roads.
Casper, WY is at 5000' and the top of Casper Mt is 8000' and the road
is seriously steep and winding with no guard rails. The +, - thing
would not work at all so I had to allow the tranny to cool when we got
half way up. Coming down was worse as I coudn't do engine braking with
this inoperable +, - system so even pulsing th ebrakes and allowing
them to cool half way down, they were fading and smelling bad at the
bottom.
Going down Towgotee Pass toward Jackson, the tranny wouldn't work
although this is only a 6% grade. Going up and down Signal Mt in Grand
Teton Park, suddenly it worked very well and I liked it. It worked
going the other way through Towgotee Pass.
We went back through Casper to look at some property on the mountain
there and sure enough, it wouldn't work at all again forcing me to take
the LOOOOOOOoooooooonnnggg back way down the mountain to avoid
overheated brakes.

THE BOTTOM LINE: If the transmission worked, it would be a good
vehicle but as it is, I would reject it.

Sorry Rob.

NOBODY GIVES A **** !!!!!!!!


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The Kia

How does it handle in heavy seas?

What's the draft?

How tall is the mast?

How many sail did it come with? Spinnakker?

Cap'n Crunch


In ps.com,
typed:
The Kia Sedona we rented to drive to Wyoming from Florida really was
a
2006 model and we drove it for nearly 5000 miles so here is my
review.

Overall, I liked it for travelling. It has lots of room, very good
climate control system with dual controls for front and back (at
last,
the front and back can agree), good pickup and lots of legroom. The
MSRP tag was still in the glove box and it is about $24,000. It
drove
very well with only a slight shimmy near 80 mph. It got about 23.5
mpg
at 70 mph (remember, this was serious long distance so I have lots
of
data).

A minor problem was the suspension. It made the expansion joints in
concrete interstate seem like washboard roads.......brutal.

We tend to take vehicles places they are not s'posed to go and this
was
no exception. We took her over nearly 4WD roads in the mountains
and
she did well never bottoming out.

MAJOR PROBLEM: The transmission. Unlike most automatics that have
P,R, N, D, 2, 1 the Kia had P. R, N, D, +, -. From my reading the
manual, I think the +,- is sort of like "split" gears. In any drive
gear, you can either go up or down a half gear, a good idea in
concept
but it didnt work. Obviously, for mountain driving, lower gears are
a
necessity for going up or down steep grades. With a normal
automatic,
you simply use the 2 or 1 (sometimes labelled 2 or 3) to go up a
sttep
grade and use the same for engine braking going down steep winding
roads.
Casper, WY is at 5000' and the top of Casper Mt is 8000' and the
road
is seriously steep and winding with no guard rails. The +, - thing
would not work at all so I had to allow the tranny to cool when we
got
half way up. Coming down was worse as I coudn't do engine braking
with
this inoperable +, - system so even pulsing th ebrakes and allowing
them to cool half way down, they were fading and smelling bad at the
bottom.
Going down Towgotee Pass toward Jackson, the tranny wouldn't work
although this is only a 6% grade. Going up and down Signal Mt in
Grand
Teton Park, suddenly it worked very well and I liked it. It worked
going the other way through Towgotee Pass.
We went back through Casper to look at some property on the mountain
there and sure enough, it wouldn't work at all again forcing me to
take
the LOOOOOOOoooooooonnnggg back way down the mountain to avoid
overheated brakes.

THE BOTTOM LINE: If the transmission worked, it would be a good
vehicle but as it is, I would reject it.

Sorry Rob.

MAJOR PROBLEM: The transmission. Unlike most automatics that have
P,R, N, D, 2, 1 the Kia had P. R, N, D, +, -. From my reading the
manual, I think the +,- is sort of like "split" gears. In any drive
gear, you can either go up or down a half gear, a good idea in concept
but it didnt work. Obviously, for mountain driving, lower gears are a
necessity for going up or down steep grades. With a normal automatic,
you simply use the 2 or 1 (sometimes labelled 2 or 3) to go up a sttep
grade and use the same for engine braking going down steep winding
roads.




Well, either you're the most ignorant driver around or something else
is up....your choice.
Fact: The Manual mode of ANY sportsmatic type tranny takes the place of
2 and 1 gear selection. It's NOT half gears. It simply locks the car
into whichever gear you want and it's a 5 speed tranny. This system has
been replacing the older one for years now. You will find it on many,
many cars, SUVs and even a Subaru outback!
Fact: The Kia Sedona has more power than ANY minivan built today...and
more torque. I've yet to even need the manual mode and I drive to the
Pocono mountains all the time. Every review has made note of this.
For engine breaking simply put the tranny in 2, 3 or 4. Works just like
the older system, but with more control and range. .
What's the name of the place where you rented a 2006 Sedona? A lot of
folks would be interested.


RB
35s5
NY

--
"Swab Rob" wrote

I've yet to even need the manual mode and I drive to the
Pocono mountains all the time.

Ooh Yeah! That interstate 80 is like a goat path up a
mountain.


A lot of
folks would be interested.


Name 3.



--
Scotty
''One who never gets out of the Sound cannot, with
any degree of credibility, comment on the courage
of fellow sailors'' ....F.B.

A lot of
folks would be interested.


Name 3.



Go to the Edmunds forum. Plenty of folks want to rent the Sedona to
test beyond a 1 or 2 day period. We rented a Sienna here for a week.
Great minivan, just too short on power.


RB
35s5
NY

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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..

A lot of
folks would be interested.


Name 3.



Go to the Edmunds forum. Plenty of folks want to rent the
Sedona to
test beyond a 1 or 2 day period. We rented a Sienna here
for a week.
Great minivan, just too short on power.


name 3 !

wrote in message
ps.com...
The Kia Sedona we rented to drive to Wyoming from Florida really was a
2006 model and we drove it for nearly 5000 miles so here is my review.

Overall, I liked it for travelling. It has lots of room, very good
climate control system with dual controls for front and back (at last,
the front and back can agree), good pickup and lots of legroom. The
MSRP tag was still in the glove box and it is about $24,000. It drove
very well with only a slight shimmy near 80 mph. It got about 23.5 mpg
at 70 mph (remember, this was serious long distance so I have lots of
data).

A minor problem was the suspension. It made the expansion joints in
concrete interstate seem like washboard roads.......brutal.

We tend to take vehicles places they are not s'posed to go and this was
no exception. We took her over nearly 4WD roads in the mountains and
she did well never bottoming out.

MAJOR PROBLEM: The transmission. Unlike most automatics that have
P,R, N, D, 2, 1 the Kia had P. R, N, D, +, -. From my reading the
manual, I think the +,- is sort of like "split" gears. In any drive
gear, you can either go up or down a half gear, a good idea in concept
but it didnt work. Obviously, for mountain driving, lower gears are a
necessity for going up or down steep grades. With a normal automatic,
you simply use the 2 or 1 (sometimes labelled 2 or 3) to go up a sttep
grade and use the same for engine braking going down steep winding
roads.
Casper, WY is at 5000' and the top of Casper Mt is 8000' and the road
is seriously steep and winding with no guard rails. The +, - thing
would not work at all so I had to allow the tranny to cool when we got
half way up. Coming down was worse as I coudn't do engine braking with
this inoperable +, - system so even pulsing th ebrakes and allowing
them to cool half way down, they were fading and smelling bad at the
bottom.
Going down Towgotee Pass toward Jackson, the tranny wouldn't work
although this is only a 6% grade. Going up and down Signal Mt in Grand
Teton Park, suddenly it worked very well and I liked it. It worked
going the other way through Towgotee Pass.
We went back through Casper to look at some property on the mountain
there and sure enough, it wouldn't work at all again forcing me to take
the LOOOOOOOoooooooonnnggg back way down the mountain to avoid
overheated brakes.

THE BOTTOM LINE: If the transmission worked, it would be a good
vehicle but as it is, I would reject it.

Sorry Rob.

I've driven the Toyota Sienna over the exact same roads earlier this year.
We got 26 mpg and there was absolutely no funny shifting needed at all. Let
me know when you get one to the top of Pike's Peak, Mt Evans and Mt Bross
(4wd). Ours has been over Imogene Pass as well. The transmission easily
handled the pass between Driggs and Wilson both up and down. I did see a Kia
on the side of the road, I thought they were taking pictures until the tow
truck pulled up.

The Kia's extended warranty is the same as a doctor promising to fix you for
free as a result of his own malpractice. Go for the real value, the trade in
value. The extended warranty is only worth something if the car breaks. For
the extended warranty to be of value, the car has to be of little value.
Either way, you pay!

wrote:
Rob:

We rented the 2006 Sedona from Alamo for about $536 for two weeks. I
have driven far more types of vehicles than you could imagine with many
types of transmissions.


Dave, Puh-lease!!! You wrote some crap about half shifts and in-between
gears. Most upscale Minivans and SUV's now carry the same tranny and no
1 and 2 gear anymore...like this for YEARS. Even Subaru has it along
with Nissan, Lexus, BMW, Audi, Porsche....but you know cars?
Yeah, okay!
Like I said, we drive this van to the Pocono's. You want to explain how
the van with the most HP and torque gets up long steep grades without
even leaving drive, but not for you? In fact EVERY review mentions the
engine's power and tranny ability. But somehow you had a problem.
You don't sound like you have a clue. And the way you tried to use the
tranny makes no sense. Put the car in 3rd and it stays there. How could
you have an engine breaking problem??? Hmmmmmm?



RB
35s5
NY

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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Dave, Puh-lease!!! You wrote some crap about half shifts and in-between
gears. Most upscale Minivans and SUV's now carry the same tranny and no
1 and 2 gear anymore.

Not the Sienna! 1st and 2nd available for serious mountain driving! You can
shift into any of the gears. The transmission is as smoooth as silk! Here,
see for yourself:

http://www.toyoland.com/car-reviews/sienna.html

L-2-3-4-D !!!!!

Aaahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa KIA =
Junk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kia can't handle low end torque or low end
drivability!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Bwaahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahaa!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!



...like this for YEARS. Even Subaru has it along
with Nissan, Lexus, BMW, Audi, Porsche....but you know cars?

You don't! Sienna transmission - has what Kia doesn't!

Yeah, okay!
Like I said, we drive this van to the Pocono's. You want to explain how
the van with the most HP and torque gets up long steep grades without
even leaving drive, but not for you?

The Pocono's vs the Rocky Mountains!
Aaahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!

There's bigger hills in the plains of Colorado or Wyoming than the biggest
"mountains" in Pennsylvania!!! In fact, the tallest "mountain" in
Pennsylvania would be 2000 feet underground in Colorado!!!

oooohohohohohoaaaahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaa!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


In fact EVERY review mentions the
engine's power and tranny ability. But somehow you had a problem.

They don't test them in mountainous terrain!


You don't sound like you have a clue. And the way you tried to use the
tranny makes no sense. Put the car in 3rd and it stays there. How could
you have an engine breaking problem??? Hmmmmmm?

The warranty will fix it!

What in Pennsylvania looks like this:

http://www.widerange.org/photo.php?id=403

Or has a road to the top like this:

http://www.tourvelo.org/cycle.jpg

A road at over 14,000 feet with 2,000 foot drop offs!!!!!!

You need AWD to drive in Queens!!!!!

Aaaahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Kia = junk!