[Thom Stewart]

Nutsy,

You wrote;...interior fit
and finish or stand at the helm with the backstay against
your head if
you're taller than 5'10? ----------.

Did it ever occur to you to sit down? You can in a Tartan you know.




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[Maxprop]

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...

$65K. She further stated that it was only listed for a short time,
implying
that the owner either pulled it or sold it. Tends to dispel your
contentions about the boat.


What nonsense. Didn't you note that the Yachtworld ad I googled up was
old? You can find these ads after their pulled via google, so where is
that RECENT ad?
I've never heard more BS with no evidence since the OJ trial!

Sorry, she said it was SOUNDINGS, not yachtworld.com. Either way, my wife
does not prevaricate.

Max

[Maxprop]

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...

If you use your boat without making constant
improvements and upgrades, it will depreciate. Mine probably would as
well,
were we not making consistent upgrades.


Your boat has hit it's market plateau. It should not drop if you
maintain her. The 35s5 has not hit a plateau and was driven up because
she is modern enough to still give a buyer much of what newer designs
have. If Beneteau prices make another jump that can bring up her value
like it did a few years ago.

A temporary phenomenon at best. The 35s5 will still depreciate, as you've
implied by "not" hitting "a plateau."

Which are generally depreciating, the newer Tartans and Sabres
perhaps
excepted. These are in a quality range substantially above your
Beneteau


A Tartan or Sabre has nothing on a Beneteau 35s5, Maxi.

LOL. Hogwash. Tartans and Sabres are built to a specification, price
notwithstanding. Beneteaus are built to a price, specifications
notwithstanding. Big difference. Huge difference. Beneteau cuts corners
to achieve a price point. Personally I think Catalina builds a more solid,
better-finished boat these days than Beneteau. The last 393 we looked at
had so many joinerwork flaws as to be ugly below.

You still have
not investigated this. The 35s5 was part of Beneteau's attempt to build
a boat on a higher level. Her fit and finish is ABOVE a Sabre or Tartan
of the same age.

Bwaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. I've seen your boat and I've seen
Tartans and Sabres, and there is a substantial difference. If you honestly
believe that Beneteau built your boat to a "higher standard" you are guilty
of believing your own BS and hype.

We looked at plenty. Beneteau was serious about the
effort and had her interiors made overseas. The 35s5's cost when new
and outfitted was to (sic) high though.

During the same period similarly-sized Ericsons, Tartans, Sabres, Island
Packets, and others all sold for more. Beneteau may have overpriced the
Starcke boats, but they were still not in the same league as the ones I've
mentioned. And I doubt if you'd be able to convince anyone but Suzy of your
contention.

Both surveyors noted that the 35s5
was built above the standard of Oceanus

That's akin to saying that a Ford Festiva is built above the standard of a
Yugo.

and current first boats. I
suggest you step aboard a new First 36.7, then check out a 35s5. The
35s5 is far beyond it in quality by a country mile.

Can't see it. Didn't then, don't now. But feel free to delude yourself.
After all you own one of those "high standard" boats.

I recall looking at them a while back and I don't recall any of them
in that
price range. They cost around $90K to $100K new and are slightly above
half
that now.

A fully geared up 35s5 new was about 100-110K, too much in 1988-1999
against boats with better and longer established reputations. Average
price now is 63'900. Low is 54'500 and high is 72'700. Every 35s5 we
investigated last year sold, including the 2 that were beaten to an
inch of their lives and probably not worth buying...still sold in the
mid 50's!

Proving what?

Max

[Capt. JG]

Do you have any experience with older Sabres... mid-80s vintage?

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Maxprop" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...

If you use your boat without making constant
improvements and upgrades, it will depreciate. Mine probably would as
well,
were we not making consistent upgrades.


Your boat has hit it's market plateau. It should not drop if you
maintain her. The 35s5 has not hit a plateau and was driven up because
she is modern enough to still give a buyer much of what newer designs
have. If Beneteau prices make another jump that can bring up her value
like it did a few years ago.

A temporary phenomenon at best. The 35s5 will still depreciate, as you've
implied by "not" hitting "a plateau."

Which are generally depreciating, the newer Tartans and Sabres
perhaps
excepted. These are in a quality range substantially above your
Beneteau


A Tartan or Sabre has nothing on a Beneteau 35s5, Maxi.

LOL. Hogwash. Tartans and Sabres are built to a specification, price
notwithstanding. Beneteaus are built to a price, specifications
notwithstanding. Big difference. Huge difference. Beneteau cuts corners
to achieve a price point. Personally I think Catalina builds a more
solid, better-finished boat these days than Beneteau. The last 393 we
looked at had so many joinerwork flaws as to be ugly below.

You still have
not investigated this. The 35s5 was part of Beneteau's attempt to build
a boat on a higher level. Her fit and finish is ABOVE a Sabre or Tartan
of the same age.

Bwaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. I've seen your boat and I've seen
Tartans and Sabres, and there is a substantial difference. If you
honestly believe that Beneteau built your boat to a "higher standard" you
are guilty of believing your own BS and hype.

We looked at plenty. Beneteau was serious about the
effort and had her interiors made overseas. The 35s5's cost when new
and outfitted was to (sic) high though.

During the same period similarly-sized Ericsons, Tartans, Sabres, Island
Packets, and others all sold for more. Beneteau may have overpriced the
Starcke boats, but they were still not in the same league as the ones I've
mentioned. And I doubt if you'd be able to convince anyone but Suzy of
your contention.

Both surveyors noted that the 35s5
was built above the standard of Oceanus

That's akin to saying that a Ford Festiva is built above the standard of a
Yugo.

and current first boats. I
suggest you step aboard a new First 36.7, then check out a 35s5. The
35s5 is far beyond it in quality by a country mile.

Can't see it. Didn't then, don't now. But feel free to delude yourself.
After all you own one of those "high standard" boats.

I recall looking at them a while back and I don't recall any of them
in that
price range. They cost around $90K to $100K new and are slightly above
half
that now.

A fully geared up 35s5 new was about 100-110K, too much in 1988-1999
against boats with better and longer established reputations. Average
price now is 63'900. Low is 54'500 and high is 72'700. Every 35s5 we
investigated last year sold, including the 2 that were beaten to an
inch of their lives and probably not worth buying...still sold in the
mid 50's!

Proving what?

Max

[Maxprop]

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Do you have any experience with older Sabres... mid-80s vintage?

Only the one our septuagenarian friends sold. It was an '84. Not terribly
fast, but a solid, well-built boat. It had some minor problems, but was
essentially sound.

Max

[Capt. Rob]

Sorry, she said it was SOUNDINGS, not yachtworld.com. Either way, my
wife
does not prevaricate.


I have Soundings dating back for months. Which issue?


RB
35s5
NY