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Doug once claimed that 1st series boats had small cockpits and Thom
continues to labor under that delusion. Here are the facts.... http://members.aol.com/bobsprit/images/suzy2weby.jpg The Heart of Gold cockpit is plenty long. Note that Julia and Thomas sit side by side. Thomas is crosslegged and there is still room for another person. The cockpit seats 5-6 easily plus the helmsman and thats without using the WIDE coamings which further add to the space. Side decks blend into the coamings (and become level when heeled). As you can see it makes for nice additional space. Suzanne at the helm gives an indication of how nice this area is. There is plenty of room and the high side seating works perfectly. No matter where you are, the wheel is at your fingerstips. The wheel does carve up space a bit, but I can still stretch out in the cockpit. Visibility on deck is fantastic. Behind her and out of sight is the large swim platform. Our friend, Karen is sitting back there, dragging her dainty feet in the water and slowing us down! Storage is beyond excellent. Suzanne is standing on the aft lazzerette, which is huge due to the lack of a cable based steering system. The port side storage is shallow because of the aft cabin, but starboard side is the biggest I've ever seen on ANY boat up to 40 feet. Perfect amount of space and security for Thomas. Wonderful room for guests. Fantastic "big boat" sailing feel at the helm with the awesome R&P steering system. Later this week, probably Wednesday, we're taking 11 people out. I'll post pics with the 35s5 cockpit showing that it CAN'T handle 11 people! Luckily deckspace is also great. Heart of Gold ROCKS! RB 35s5 NY |
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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com.. .. Doug once claimed that 1st series boats had small cockpits and Thom continues to labor under that delusion. Here are the facts.... http://members.aol.com/bobsprit/images/suzy2weby.jpg looks cramped with only 3 people. Sudsy looks like a bus driver. S |
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Capt. Rob wrote: Doug once claimed that 1st series boats had small cockpits and Thom continues to labor under that delusion. Here are the facts.... http://members.aol.com/bobsprit/images/suzy2weby.jpg The Heart of Gold cockpit is plenty long. Note that Julia and Thomas sit side by side. Thomas is crosslegged and there is still room for another person. The cockpit seats 5-6 easily plus the helmsman and thats without using the WIDE coamings which further add to the space. Side decks blend into the coamings (and become level when heeled). As you can see it makes for nice additional space. Suzanne at the helm gives an indication of how nice this area is. There is plenty of room and the high side seating works perfectly. No matter where you are, the wheel is at your fingerstips. The wheel does carve up space a bit, but I can still stretch out in the cockpit. Visibility on deck is fantastic. Behind her and out of sight is the large swim platform. Our friend, Karen is sitting back there, dragging her dainty feet in the water and slowing us down! Storage is beyond excellent. Suzanne is standing on the aft lazzerette, which is huge due to the lack of a cable based steering system. The port side storage is shallow because of the aft cabin, but starboard side is the biggest I've ever seen on ANY boat up to 40 feet. Perfect amount of space and security for Thomas. Wonderful room for guests. Fantastic "big boat" sailing feel at the helm with the awesome R&P steering system. Later this week, probably Wednesday, we're taking 11 people out. I'll post pics with the 35s5 cockpit showing that it CAN'T handle 11 people! Luckily deckspace is also great. Heart of Gold ROCKS! RB 35s5 NY I've never seen a loose footed sail with a shelf. What's that all about? And what are the lines leading aft by Suzys feet on each side of the cockpit? And what is that black spot at the base of the binnaccle? Why do you need 12 cam cleats? Joe |
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That's why the 35s5 uses the smallest dodger available for any boat its
size: http://www.newjsi.com/east%20coast.aspx |
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I've never seen a loose footed sail with a shelf. What's that all about? And what are the lines leading aft by Suzys feet on each side of the cockpit? And what is that black spot at the base of the binnaccle? Why do you need 12 cam cleats? I don't know much about this main. It's mylar and partially designed by the last owner. It's being replaced by a dacron main from Doyle at the end of this season. The lines by her feet control the backstay. They lead inside the deck. The black spot is my camera bag...a safe spot for it! Lines in the cleats a 1) Main halyard 2) Spin Halyard 3) Jib 1 4) Jib 2 5) Mainsheet 6) boom vang 7) Topping lift 8) Reefing line Not all are in use presently. RB 35s5 NY |
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looks cramped with only 3 people.
Scott Vermon can't even count! RB 35s5 NY |
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That's why the 35s5 uses the smallest dodger available for any boat its size: Has to do with height, dopey. The 35s5 Boom is quite low compared to my C&C 32. RB 35s5 NY |
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"Capt" Rob" wrote..
Doug once claimed that 1st series boats had small cockpits Did I? Better check the facts, Bubbles. Scotty wrote: looks cramped with only 3 people. Sudsy looks like a bus driver. That's not the boat's fault. Besides, I'd be curious to know who that really is in the picture, and if they know Bubbles is using it to "back up" his internet fantasy life. DSK |
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Scotty,
Susy standing on the helm seat simply because there isn't room for human body to sit comfortable behind the wheel. Scot, that is the PRIME reason for the huge wheel; to allow the Helms person to stand on the seat and maintain Wheel contact. It's a very poor Helm station. Note how the Wheel uses of the whole T on the cut out, to give it enough rise for helmperson person; even a small helmperson to just about reach the wheel at the top. Another two people in the Cockpit and that's it: period. That just abouts eliminates high siding when she starts real heeling Hey Nutsy, nice picture. http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage |
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Hey Nutsy,
About the free footed sail & shelve:------ Only can you have a shelve with a free footed main. No one has ever seen a shelve that wasn't on a free footed Main. There is a school of thought that a free footed main will develop air turbulence at the foot, so they closed off the bottom with a shelve. I've had both shelved and un-shelved, I can't tell the difference. The biggest difference was sailing in the rain. The shelve was (is) a great rain catcher. You don't want to be on the down side during a tack. Gallons of water are dumped into the cockpit. http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage |
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Susy standing on the helm seat simply because there isn't room for human body to sit comfortable behind the wheel. Uh...what? The only person who's feet are too big for that station is me. Everyone else can stand behind the wheel. But stand on the seat and you get great visibility. Sit on the high side and same deal and the wheel is right there. Awesome! Heeled, the coaming is a secure brace, but it's easier to just sit at that point. As far as people in the cockpit, I'll post with at least 6 seated to show the room. What we really dig is how comfortable the cockpit is. RB 35s5 NY |
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Another two people in the Cockpit and that's it: period. Funny, Thom. Did you LOOK at that pic. There are 4 people in the cockpit and no one is in the center seat in front of the coaming. Try the math again and you'll get 7 plus helm = 8 people. Still, 6 is better. Pics to prove it soon, Thom and your cockpit demensia will fade. RB 35s5 NY |
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"DSK" wrote in message ... "Capt" Rob" wrote.. Doug once claimed that 1st series boats had small cockpits Did I? Better check the facts, Bubbles. Scotty wrote: looks cramped with only 3 people. Sudsy looks like a bus driver. That's not the boat's fault. Besides, I'd be curious to know who that really is in the picture, and if they know Bubbles is using it to "back up" his internet fantasy life. Sister and nephew. Max |
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Sister and nephew.
I suppose it's pleasing to know that Thomas, Suzanne and my boat are so sweet that members here "hope" it's not true. Sorry, folks. I AM that lucky! RB 35s5 NY |
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Looks like a PITA to get around that wheel, no?
-- Scotty ''One who never gets out of the Sound cannot, with any degree of credibility, comment on the courage of fellow sailors'' ....F.B. http://tinyurl.com/pzdl8 "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... Scotty, Susy standing on the helm seat simply because there isn't room for human body to sit comfortable behind the wheel. Scot, that is the PRIME reason for the huge wheel; to allow the Helms person to stand on the seat and maintain Wheel contact. It's a very poor Helm station. Note how the Wheel uses of the whole T on the cut out, to give it enough rise for helmperson person; even a small helmperson to just about reach the wheel at the top. Another two people in the Cockpit and that's it: period. That just abouts eliminates high siding when she starts real heeling Hey Nutsy, nice picture. http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage |
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-- "Swab Rob" wrote Uh...what? The only person who's ass is too big for that station is me. Everyone else can stand behind the wheel. But stand on the seat and you get great visibility. Oh, that's a great spot...standing on a seat . Bwahahahahah |
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-- "Swab Rob" wrote .com... Looks like a PITA to get around that wheel, no? When I singlehand, getting around the wheel and getting to the cabin-top traveler means some nimble footwork. The 35s5 in her normal configuration is not for the elderly sailor. We haven't had a problem thus far. That's a nice way of saying ''poor design''. -- Scotty ''One who never gets out of the Sound cannot, with any degree of credibility, comment on the courage of fellow sailors'' ....F.B. http://tinyurl.com/pzdl8 |
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configuration is not for the elderly sailor. We haven't had a problem thus far. That's a nice way of saying ''poor design''. Yeah...no one wants a cabin-top traveler or large wheel connected to superior R&P steering....the same used by C&C and X-Yachts today! Poor Sloco and Scotty! RB 35s5 NY |
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Bob, you sure are going out of your way to prove what a big
cockpit you have. Is there a problem? Scotty -- "Swab Rob" wrote configuration is not for the elderly sailor. We haven't had a problem thus far. That's a nice way of saying ''poor design''. Yeah...no one wants a cabin-top traveler or large wheel connected to superior R&P steering....the same used by C&C and X-Yachts today! Poor Sloco and Scotty! RB 35s5 NY |
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Bob, you sure are going out of your way to prove what a big cockpit you have. Is there a problem? Yeah, but it seems all too important to you and others that it be small and not be up to handling 6 people or more. Anyway it's not only the size of the cockpit, but how I use it. Note that Suzanne is smiling in those pics? Come to think of it, the girl on the left is my ex-girlfriend from Ghost and she's also smiling! RB 35s5 NY |
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On 7 Aug 2006 06:30:19 -0700, "Capt. Rob" wrote:
Big snip Not all are in use presently. RB 35s5 NY Did you mean "presently" or "at present". Just wondering. Mark E. Williams |
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Did you mean "presently" or "at present".
Do you mean to put everyone to sleep? Way to screw up a fun troll, dude. RB 35s5 NY |
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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com... Bob, you sure are going out of your way to prove what a big cockpit you have. Is there a problem? Yeah, but it seems all too important to you and others that it be small and not be up to handling 6 people or more. Anyway it's not only the size of the cockpit, but how I use it. Note that Suzanne is smiling in those pics? Come to think of it, the girl on the left is my ex-girlfriend from Ghost and she's also smiling! Suzanne is not displaying a gingival smile, nor is she using any of the involuntary muscles that are employed in a spontaneous smile. That is a small cockpit with a ridiculously large wheel. I don't think you can get a larger wheel. Traditionally wheels that big were used for mechanical advantage in block and tackle steering systems. Do you also employ reins and a feed bag on your automobile? |
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Nutsy,
You know if they weren't so damn CHEAP when they lengthened the hull, they could have lengthened the Hull by moving the Transom back to allow more room behind the helm. That would have let them use a wheel that allow room around it, also allowing another two seats on each side of the wheel. You could still stand on the seat for visibility but for the life of me, I can't see a need for that much visibility. Your sailing, not driving in Times Square. Benny just took The Cheapest way to lengthen the hull. CHEAP, Cheap, cheap :^) and YOU BROUGHT INTO IT. Now you're trying to justify their Cheap Trick by standing on the seat an crowing;"Look at me, How good I can See!" If you need that much visibility you should maybe mount the Helm on the Cabin top (G) Nutsy, you've Busted Yourself again with your own posts. Happy Sailing from the Cramped, make do;--- Cheap cockpit. While your up there don't forget to wave to the people on Shore. You're not fooling anyone on the water http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage |
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Happy Sailing from the Cramped, make do;--- Cheap cockpit. While your up there don't forget to wave to the people on Shore. You're not fooling anyone on the water LOL, Thom! That's quite a post! Like I said, I'll post pics with more people aboard. I really thought everyone on the water was totally fooled! As we passed them! RB 35s5 NY |
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..Suzanne is not displaying a gingival smile, nor is she using any of the involuntary muscles that are employed in a spontaneous smile. Yes, everyone is talking about this problem with her smile. That is a small cockpit with a ridiculously large wheel. I don't think you can get a larger wheel. Yes, another problem as the wheel is within reach at all helm positions. This can't be a good thing. We may switch to a folding wheel and just keep it folded. RB 35s5 NY |
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Charlie Morgan wrote: On Mon, 7 Aug 2006 18:43:54 -0400, "Scotty" wrote: Looks like a PITA to get around that wheel, no? Well, at least he doesn't have to climb a stepladder to get to it. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA! How true!!!! RB 35s5 NY |
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-- "Swab Rob" wrote .Suzanne is not displaying a gingival smile, nor is she using any of the involuntary muscles that are employed in a spontaneous smile. Yes, everyone is talking about this problem with her smile. She secretly wishes for a bigger 'cockpit'. SV |
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"Krusty Morgan" wrote in message ... On Mon, 7 Aug 2006 18:43:54 -0400, "Scotty" wrote: Looks like a PITA to get around that wheel, no? Well, at least he doesn't have to climb a stepladder A stepladder to get around the wheel? What the hell are you yapping about, Krusty? SV |
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Well, at least he doesn't have to climb a stepladder
A stepladder to get around the wheel? What the hell are you yapping about, Krusty? To get to your boat!!! RB 35s5 NY |
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Maynard G. Krebbs wrote:
On 7 Aug 2006 06:30:19 -0700, "Capt. Rob" wrote: Big snip Not all are in use presently. Did you mean "presently" or "at present". Just wondering. Mark E. Williams "Presently" means "at present" when used in the present tense. This is the older and still more common use of the word. When used in the future tense, it means "in a little while." For example: "Bob is presently a buffoon, presently he will be a bigger buffoon." |
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"Jeff" wrote in .." "Bob is presently a buffoon, presently he will be a bigger buffoon." I didn't think it possible. SV |
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"Swab Rob" wrote A stepladder to get around the wheel? What the hell are you yapping about, Krusty? To get to your boat!!! You need a stepladder to board your boat? -- Scotty ''One who never gets out of the Sound cannot, with any degree of credibility, comment on the courage of fellow sailors'' ....F.B. http://tinyurl.com/pzdl8 |
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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com.. .. To get to your boat!!! You need a stepladder to board your boat? Scotty....YOU DO!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA! Ready to salvage the rest of the season? salvage? |
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Capt. Rob wrote:
The Heart of Gold cockpit is plenty long. Sure thing, Bob, plenty of room for a group to stretch out and relax: http://www.bostonsailingcenter.com/F...eteau35s5.jpg/ Here's a proper cockpit for daysailer/cruiser: http://www.harrisellis.com/Nonsuch/cover.GIF Or, if you really want space: http://www.sv-loki.com/ca-quart.jpg Note the generous space secure at the lower level, plus comfy seats for 5 raised up with full visibility. Luckily deckspace is also great. No Bob, this is great deck space: http://www.sv-loki.com/IMGP0745.jpg |
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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message ups.com... Yes, another problem as the wheel is within reach at all helm positions. This can't be a good thing. We may switch to a folding wheel and just keep it folded. That ridiculously large wheel keeps you trapped behind it. Great feature for single handing. Why not get a smaller wheel and use a leg shackle to keep you on station? That cockpit is designed around that pompous wheel. If you look closely that cockpit only seats 4 not counting the helmsman. It's a 35 footer isn't it? I've seen daysailers 1/2 that size with more spacious cockpits. Is this the picture you plan to post when you show 6 or 8 fitted into that "cockpit": http://tinyurl.com/rwqzm |
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Don't forget the cockpit space on this 24 footer:
http://www.pacificseacraft.com/cgi-b...tview.php?2420 |
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That cockpit is designed around that pompous wheel. The wheel is pompous?? Bwahahahahha! Someone has wheel envy! If you look closely that cockpit only seats 4 not counting the helmsman. Look very closely.... RB 35s5 NY |
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Here's a proper cockpit for daysailer/cruiser: http://www.harrisellis.com/Nonsuch/cover.GIF No thanks. As I said, we're not ready to retire yet and prefer fun sailing! RB 35s5 NY |
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