"Thom Stewart" wrote
The MAIN PURPOSE of a Cockpit is to Mount a Helmsman.

Would you, with those cankles? I dunno!

http://members.aol.com/bobsprit/imag...esailorweb.jpg

Scotty

Rob, why don't you let Sudsy take a pic of you lying down in
the cockpit? that will shut everybody up.

Scotty


"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
Capt. Rob wrote:
After poor Bob Crantz was utterly disemboweled by the
fact that the
35s5 cockpit is actually 7 feet long, he and Capt
Scumbagolino are now
trying to say "it isn't."

Sorry Bob, you lost this troll the minute you took out the
tape
measure! What a PUTZ!!!

And it seems that you walked around your marina measuring
all the
other boats!


Of course two days ago they posted a graphic of it and I
posted exact
dimensions, but that was too upsetting to bear. So poor
Bob tried to
say (and this was damn funny!) that the helm is not part
of a cockpit!
Then he tried to claim the cabin house sloped (It
doesn't) and
finally...claiming that the measurement is not from the
seat level to
helm seat back, but somehow beyond that.
So here's what I measured:

From point where cabin house meets bench seat, back to
helmseat back
(Not extending to measure the coaming. I don't get 7'1.
I get 7 feet
exactly. In other words, a 7 foot tall person could lie
down (if you
pop off the wheel).

If you "pop off the wheel"??? Isn't that like claiming
the aft cabin
has great ventilation, as long as the air conditioning is
running?

It really seems like you're intent on proving you have the
best Marina
Queen around.


That's more bench room than any of the other boats
I listed and also more room than a CS36, Catalina 34 and
so on.
Measuring from seat-back to seat-back the cockpit is
5'9. Since there
is a slight slope to the seat-backs I chose the midway
point. It's a
bit more higher up. So 7 X 5.9 is a proper INTERNAL
dimension and does
not include any coamings.

Sorry, Bob, because the wheel completely splits the
cockpit, you can
only measure the space forward of wheel as being available
to the crew.


Now...do Crantz and Scrambledlino have any integrity? Do
they truly
believe their claims? Here's the wager, if they choose
to accept it: If
I prove beyond any doubt that the 35s5 cockpit is 7 feet
long they MUST
LEAVE ASA for good. Of course they'll return with new
fake personas.

What claim are you talking about? Are are insisting that
the cockpit
is smaller than they say? Your cockpit is clearly not
"large"
compared to lots of other boats.

Here's large cockpit:
http://www.marshallcat.com/m22cpit3.htm

Here's another bigger cockpit on a smaller boat:
http://www.alerionexpress.net/id96.html

And if you like the separate helm, here's the proper way
to do it, on
a boat faster than yours:
http://www.alerionexpress.net/id107.html

or perhaps:
http://www.bruckmannyachts.com/daysailer.htm


If I don't prove it, I'll leave ASA. So let's see what
we see! It'll
take me all of 30 seconds to take a pic of the cockpit
with a measuring
tape of course....no trouble at all as I'm measuring for
Doyle today
anway.

Sure, we'd love to see you make a further idiot of
yourself taking
pictures of a measuring tape.

or perhaps:
http://www.bruckmannyachts.com/daysailer.htm



That's a gorgeous boat.... oughta be, for the money!



Talk about pearls before swine!


Yes. I thought of the Hinckley 42DS first, but their web site ****ed me
off.


You mean their new(ish) Morris retro-classic, that looks
like an old J-class AmCup yacht?



You have exquisite taste in sailboats there Jeff.

Actually, I think the Bruckmann is a bit over the top. I mean, half a
mil for a daysailer is rather extreme.

Yeah, but it's intended for folks who don't have to ask the
price.


... If you really want to show you
have class and don't care about the expense, you should have one of these:
http://www.macnaughtongroup.com/concordia_yawl.htm
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1503266/0


The expense there is in rebuilding it from ballast up,
installing new electrical & plumbing systems, and having a
year-round staff to keep it looking sharp. Not quite as much
show off value; although driving up to the sailing club in a
vintage Rolls driven by a chauffer wearing white gloves adds
the right touch.

Actually, I think the classy touch is to have & campaign an
S-boat... you'd need 2 of them, of course... that way you
could keep at least one of them in sailing condition most of
the season, with full-time help of course.

DSK

"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..

Sorry Bob, you lost this troll the minute you took out the tape measure!
What a PUTZ!!!


http://tinyurl.com/olkdl

DSK wrote:
or perhaps:
http://www.bruckmannyachts.com/daysailer.htm



That's a gorgeous boat.... oughta be, for the money!



Talk about pearls before swine!


Yes. I thought of the Hinckley 42DS first, but their web site ****ed
me off.


You mean their new(ish) Morris retro-classic, that looks like an old
J-class AmCup yacht?

Yes, that's the one. (Morris retro-classic???)

I do wonder about retracting the keel further than the depth of the
rudder.





You have exquisite taste in sailboats there Jeff.

Actually, I think the Bruckmann is a bit over the top. I mean, half a
mil for a daysailer is rather extreme.

Yeah, but it's intended for folks who don't have to ask the price.


... If you really want to show you have class and don't care about the
expense, you should have one of these:
http://www.macnaughtongroup.com/concordia_yawl.htm
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1503266/0


The expense there is in rebuilding it from ballast up, installing new
electrical & plumbing systems, and having a year-round staff to keep it
looking sharp. Not quite as much show off value; although driving up to
the sailing club in a vintage Rolls driven by a chauffer wearing white
gloves adds the right touch.

The real classy thing is to be able to say its been in the family for
60 years, and never needed a refit. And the real Yankee touch is to
be 80 years old, row out to the mooring in your Coquina, and single
hand it.


Actually, I think the classy touch is to have & campaign an S-boat...
you'd need 2 of them, of course... that way you could keep at least one
of them in sailing condition most of the season, with full-time help of
course.

Ah! Now there's a boat. None built in 65 years and three quarters of
them still sailing.

"Scotty" wrote in message
. ..
Rob, why don't you let Sudsy take a pic of you lying down in
the cockpit? that will shut everybody up.

Scotty

Like this:

http://tinyurl.com/cenvf

He's the one on the left!

You mean their new(ish) Morris retro-classic, that looks like an old
J-class AmCup yacht?


Jeff wrote:
Yes, that's the one. (Morris retro-classic???)

I do wonder about retracting the keel further than the depth of the rudder.


Hey, that carbon fiber is *great* stuff; don't have to worry
about hitting rocks with your rudder any more!


The expense there is in rebuilding it from ballast up, installing new
electrical & plumbing systems, and having a year-round staff to keep
it looking sharp. Not quite as much show off value; although driving
up to the sailing club in a vintage Rolls driven by a chauffer wearing
white gloves adds the right touch.


Jeff wrote:
The real classy thing is to be able to say its been in the family for 60
years, and never needed a refit. And the real Yankee touch is to be 80
years old, row out to the mooring in your Coquina, and single hand it.


Definitely agreed. Shows the difference between class and
just plain being rich. You can't buy 'been in the family for
60 years.'

DSK

Bob Crantz wrote:

He's the one on the left!

I always wondered what a Boobfish looked like. Certainly widens around the
middle...


--
Capt Scumbalino