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After poor Bob Crantz was utterly disemboweled by the fact that the
35s5 cockpit is actually 7 feet long, he and Capt Scumbagolino are now trying to say "it isn't." Of course two days ago they posted a graphic of it and I posted exact dimensions, but that was too upsetting to bear. So poor Bob tried to say (and this was damn funny!) that the helm is not part of a cockpit! Then he tried to claim the cabin house sloped (It doesn't) and finally...claiming that the measurement is not from the seat level to helm seat back, but somehow beyond that. So here's what I measured: From point where cabin house meets bench seat, back to helmseat back (Not extending to measure the coaming. I don't get 7'1. I get 7 feet exactly. In other words, a 7 foot tall person could lie down (if you pop off the wheel). That's more bench room than any of the other boats I listed and also more room than a CS36, Catalina 34 and so on. Measuring from seat-back to seat-back the cockpit is 5'9. Since there is a slight slope to the seat-backs I chose the midway point. It's a bit more higher up. So 7 X 5.9 is a proper INTERNAL dimension and does not include any coamings. Now...do Crantz and Scrambledlino have any integrity? Do they truly believe their claims? Here's the wager, if they choose to accept it: If I prove beyond any doubt that the 35s5 cockpit is 7 feet long they MUST LEAVE ASA for good. Of course they'll return with new fake personas. If I don't prove it, I'll leave ASA. So let's see what we see! It'll take me all of 30 seconds to take a pic of the cockpit with a measuring tape of course....no trouble at all as I'm measuring for Doyle today anway. RB 35s5 NY |
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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com... If I prove beyond any doubt It looks like you just lost the bet Robert. "Any doubt" is a very high standard and any utterances spewing from your pie hole certainly could not clear that bar. Let the jury be the members of ASA and if one has any doubt, you would lose. There's even contention over what a proper cockpit is. Stick to driving your mini van. At least one knows it won't come to a screaching halt due to recall notices. Lloyd Bonifide |
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I prove beyond any doubt
It looks like you just lost the bet Robert. "Any doubt" is a very high A photo will tell all. And of course if Bob Crantz had any balls at all he'd simply go to the Beneteau group and ask. 7 feet is the length of the cockpit without coamings. Not 7'1. And certainly not 6 feet. If they're sure, then they should take the wager. If they feel my photo is doctored, we can simply ask over on the Beneteau forum. Hmmmm, Loyd....seems like Bob and Scumbolino are might quiet. RB 35s5 NY |
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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message ups.com... I prove beyond any doubt It looks like you just lost the bet Robert. "Any doubt" is a very high A photo will tell all. And of course if Bob Crantz had any balls at all he'd simply go to the Beneteau group and ask. 7 feet is the length of the cockpit without coamings. Not 7'1. And certainly not 6 feet. If they're sure, then they should take the wager. If they feel my photo is doctored, we can simply ask over on the Beneteau forum. Hmmmm, Loyd....seems like Bob and Scumbolino are might quiet. To me you aren't making sense. Scumbalino show CAD drawings of your cockpit being around 7.1 feet. Bob agreed with him. Then you say it is 7 feet, not 7'1". Are you nuts? Lloyd Bonifide |
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To me you aren't making sense. Scumbalino show CAD drawings of your cockpit being around 7.1 feet. Bob agreed with him. Then you say it is 7 feet, not 7'1". Are you nuts? You missed something. Bob is now claiming that the drawing does not show an inside dimension of 7 feet and that it's more like 6. If they believe that, then what's the problem with the wager? The problem is that poor Bob said that the cockpit was small, when in fact it's about the same size as any other 35 cruiser or larger. Frankly 6 X 5'9 would have been fine as well. That's still on par with plenty of boats. The 35s5 has a 7 foot long cockpit measured as stated. Will these clowns stand behind their claims? RB 35s5 NY |
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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message oups.com... To me you aren't making sense. Scumbalino show CAD drawings of your cockpit being around 7.1 feet. Bob agreed with him. Then you say it is 7 feet, not 7'1". Are you nuts? You missed something. Bob is now claiming that the drawing does not show an inside dimension of 7 feet and that it's more like 6. If they believe that, then what's the problem with the wager? The problem is that poor Bob said that the cockpit was small, when in fact it's about the same size as any other 35 cruiser or larger. Frankly 6 X 5'9 would have been fine as well. That's still on par with plenty of boats. The 35s5 has a 7 foot long cockpit measured as stated. Will these clowns stand behind their claims? I see what the point of contention is. Maybe Bob is claiming 6 feet for a fully appointed cockpit with premium cushions. Cushions do subtract from useable cockpit size. Does your cockpit have premium cushions? I have doubts about your claim that 7 feet is a good sized cockpit for a 35 footer. The Catalina 350 has a cockpit of almost 8.5 feet in length and a wider beam than your boat. http://www.yachtshare.com/cgi-bin/di...small?bid=5022 One of its selling points is the ability for people to sleep in the cockpit along with a track record of high quality valued priced yachts. Did you consider the 350 over the 35s5? Have you any regrets? Lloyd |
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Nutsy,
The helm area of the 35s5 is the problem with the 35s5 Cockpit!! The Cockpit is CRAMPED!! There isn't anything wrong with a small cockpit BUT a Cockpit that's Cramped is STUPIDITY!! The MAIN PURPOSE of a Cockpit is to Mount a Helm. The main purpose! If "Benny" wanted to use that R&P helm with Wheel Steering, they should have made room for it by moving the transom back. They were to DAMNED CHEAP!!! A decent Cable system could have solved the problem but that was more expensive than a GEAR! They Went CHEAP,Cheap, cheap! Cheap=a cramped Helm! http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage |
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Capt. Rob wrote:
After poor Bob Crantz was utterly disemboweled by the fact that the 35s5 cockpit is actually 7 feet long, he and Capt Scumbagolino are now trying to say "it isn't." Sorry Bob, you lost this troll the minute you took out the tape measure! What a PUTZ!!! And it seems that you walked around your marina measuring all the other boats! Of course two days ago they posted a graphic of it and I posted exact dimensions, but that was too upsetting to bear. So poor Bob tried to say (and this was damn funny!) that the helm is not part of a cockpit! Then he tried to claim the cabin house sloped (It doesn't) and finally...claiming that the measurement is not from the seat level to helm seat back, but somehow beyond that. So here's what I measured: From point where cabin house meets bench seat, back to helmseat back (Not extending to measure the coaming. I don't get 7'1. I get 7 feet exactly. In other words, a 7 foot tall person could lie down (if you pop off the wheel). If you "pop off the wheel"??? Isn't that like claiming the aft cabin has great ventilation, as long as the air conditioning is running? It really seems like you're intent on proving you have the best Marina Queen around. That's more bench room than any of the other boats I listed and also more room than a CS36, Catalina 34 and so on. Measuring from seat-back to seat-back the cockpit is 5'9. Since there is a slight slope to the seat-backs I chose the midway point. It's a bit more higher up. So 7 X 5.9 is a proper INTERNAL dimension and does not include any coamings. Sorry, Bob, because the wheel completely splits the cockpit, you can only measure the space forward of wheel as being available to the crew. Now...do Crantz and Scrambledlino have any integrity? Do they truly believe their claims? Here's the wager, if they choose to accept it: If I prove beyond any doubt that the 35s5 cockpit is 7 feet long they MUST LEAVE ASA for good. Of course they'll return with new fake personas. What claim are you talking about? Are are insisting that the cockpit is smaller than they say? Your cockpit is clearly not "large" compared to lots of other boats. Here's large cockpit: http://www.marshallcat.com/m22cpit3.htm Here's another bigger cockpit on a smaller boat: http://www.alerionexpress.net/id96.html And if you like the separate helm, here's the proper way to do it, on a boat faster than yours: http://www.alerionexpress.net/id107.html or perhaps: http://www.bruckmannyachts.com/daysailer.htm If I don't prove it, I'll leave ASA. So let's see what we see! It'll take me all of 30 seconds to take a pic of the cockpit with a measuring tape of course....no trouble at all as I'm measuring for Doyle today anway. Sure, we'd love to see you make a further idiot of yourself taking pictures of a measuring tape. |
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"Jeff" wrote in message . .. or perhaps: http://www.bruckmannyachts.com/daysailer.htm Talk about pearls before swine! You have exquisite taste in sailboats there Jeff. Are you a Korean War Veteran? Lloyd Bonifide |
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LLoyd Bonifide wrote:
"Jeff" wrote in message . .. or perhaps: http://www.bruckmannyachts.com/daysailer.htm Talk about pearls before swine! Yes. I thought of the Hinckley 42DS first, but their web site ****ed me off. You have exquisite taste in sailboats there Jeff. Actually, I think the Bruckmann is a bit over the top. I mean, half a mil for a daysailer is rather extreme. If you really want to show you have class and don't care about the expense, you should have one of these: http://www.macnaughtongroup.com/concordia_yawl.htm http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1503266/0 The Marshall 22 is more my style. Are you a Korean War Veteran? Nope, that wasn't my war - by the time I understood what it was, it was over. Lloyd Bonifide |
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"Thom Stewart" wrote The MAIN PURPOSE of a Cockpit is to Mount a Helmsman. Would you, with those cankles? I dunno! http://members.aol.com/bobsprit/imag...esailorweb.jpg Scotty |
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Rob, why don't you let Sudsy take a pic of you lying down in
the cockpit? that will shut everybody up. Scotty "Jeff" wrote in message . .. Capt. Rob wrote: After poor Bob Crantz was utterly disemboweled by the fact that the 35s5 cockpit is actually 7 feet long, he and Capt Scumbagolino are now trying to say "it isn't." Sorry Bob, you lost this troll the minute you took out the tape measure! What a PUTZ!!! And it seems that you walked around your marina measuring all the other boats! Of course two days ago they posted a graphic of it and I posted exact dimensions, but that was too upsetting to bear. So poor Bob tried to say (and this was damn funny!) that the helm is not part of a cockpit! Then he tried to claim the cabin house sloped (It doesn't) and finally...claiming that the measurement is not from the seat level to helm seat back, but somehow beyond that. So here's what I measured: From point where cabin house meets bench seat, back to helmseat back (Not extending to measure the coaming. I don't get 7'1. I get 7 feet exactly. In other words, a 7 foot tall person could lie down (if you pop off the wheel). If you "pop off the wheel"??? Isn't that like claiming the aft cabin has great ventilation, as long as the air conditioning is running? It really seems like you're intent on proving you have the best Marina Queen around. That's more bench room than any of the other boats I listed and also more room than a CS36, Catalina 34 and so on. Measuring from seat-back to seat-back the cockpit is 5'9. Since there is a slight slope to the seat-backs I chose the midway point. It's a bit more higher up. So 7 X 5.9 is a proper INTERNAL dimension and does not include any coamings. Sorry, Bob, because the wheel completely splits the cockpit, you can only measure the space forward of wheel as being available to the crew. Now...do Crantz and Scrambledlino have any integrity? Do they truly believe their claims? Here's the wager, if they choose to accept it: If I prove beyond any doubt that the 35s5 cockpit is 7 feet long they MUST LEAVE ASA for good. Of course they'll return with new fake personas. What claim are you talking about? Are are insisting that the cockpit is smaller than they say? Your cockpit is clearly not "large" compared to lots of other boats. Here's large cockpit: http://www.marshallcat.com/m22cpit3.htm Here's another bigger cockpit on a smaller boat: http://www.alerionexpress.net/id96.html And if you like the separate helm, here's the proper way to do it, on a boat faster than yours: http://www.alerionexpress.net/id107.html or perhaps: http://www.bruckmannyachts.com/daysailer.htm If I don't prove it, I'll leave ASA. So let's see what we see! It'll take me all of 30 seconds to take a pic of the cockpit with a measuring tape of course....no trouble at all as I'm measuring for Doyle today anway. Sure, we'd love to see you make a further idiot of yourself taking pictures of a measuring tape. |
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or perhaps:
http://www.bruckmannyachts.com/daysailer.htm That's a gorgeous boat.... oughta be, for the money! Talk about pearls before swine! Yes. I thought of the Hinckley 42DS first, but their web site ****ed me off. You mean their new(ish) Morris retro-classic, that looks like an old J-class AmCup yacht? You have exquisite taste in sailboats there Jeff. Actually, I think the Bruckmann is a bit over the top. I mean, half a mil for a daysailer is rather extreme. Yeah, but it's intended for folks who don't have to ask the price. ... If you really want to show you have class and don't care about the expense, you should have one of these: http://www.macnaughtongroup.com/concordia_yawl.htm http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1503266/0 The expense there is in rebuilding it from ballast up, installing new electrical & plumbing systems, and having a year-round staff to keep it looking sharp. Not quite as much show off value; although driving up to the sailing club in a vintage Rolls driven by a chauffer wearing white gloves adds the right touch. Actually, I think the classy touch is to have & campaign an S-boat... you'd need 2 of them, of course... that way you could keep at least one of them in sailing condition most of the season, with full-time help of course. DSK |
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"Jeff" wrote in message . .. Sorry Bob, you lost this troll the minute you took out the tape measure! What a PUTZ!!! http://tinyurl.com/olkdl |
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DSK wrote:
or perhaps: http://www.bruckmannyachts.com/daysailer.htm That's a gorgeous boat.... oughta be, for the money! Talk about pearls before swine! Yes. I thought of the Hinckley 42DS first, but their web site ****ed me off. You mean their new(ish) Morris retro-classic, that looks like an old J-class AmCup yacht? Yes, that's the one. (Morris retro-classic???) I do wonder about retracting the keel further than the depth of the rudder. You have exquisite taste in sailboats there Jeff. Actually, I think the Bruckmann is a bit over the top. I mean, half a mil for a daysailer is rather extreme. Yeah, but it's intended for folks who don't have to ask the price. ... If you really want to show you have class and don't care about the expense, you should have one of these: http://www.macnaughtongroup.com/concordia_yawl.htm http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1503266/0 The expense there is in rebuilding it from ballast up, installing new electrical & plumbing systems, and having a year-round staff to keep it looking sharp. Not quite as much show off value; although driving up to the sailing club in a vintage Rolls driven by a chauffer wearing white gloves adds the right touch. The real classy thing is to be able to say its been in the family for 60 years, and never needed a refit. And the real Yankee touch is to be 80 years old, row out to the mooring in your Coquina, and single hand it. Actually, I think the classy touch is to have & campaign an S-boat... you'd need 2 of them, of course... that way you could keep at least one of them in sailing condition most of the season, with full-time help of course. Ah! Now there's a boat. None built in 65 years and three quarters of them still sailing. |
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"Scotty" wrote in message . .. Rob, why don't you let Sudsy take a pic of you lying down in the cockpit? that will shut everybody up. Scotty Like this: http://tinyurl.com/cenvf He's the one on the left! |
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You mean their new(ish) Morris retro-classic, that looks like an old
J-class AmCup yacht? Jeff wrote: Yes, that's the one. (Morris retro-classic???) I do wonder about retracting the keel further than the depth of the rudder. Hey, that carbon fiber is *great* stuff; don't have to worry about hitting rocks with your rudder any more! The expense there is in rebuilding it from ballast up, installing new electrical & plumbing systems, and having a year-round staff to keep it looking sharp. Not quite as much show off value; although driving up to the sailing club in a vintage Rolls driven by a chauffer wearing white gloves adds the right touch. Jeff wrote: The real classy thing is to be able to say its been in the family for 60 years, and never needed a refit. And the real Yankee touch is to be 80 years old, row out to the mooring in your Coquina, and single hand it. Definitely agreed. Shows the difference between class and just plain being rich. You can't buy 'been in the family for 60 years.' DSK |
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Bob Crantz wrote:
He's the one on the left! I always wondered what a Boobfish looked like. Certainly widens around the middle... -- Capt Scumbalino |
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