After poor Bob Crantz was utterly disemboweled by the fact that the
35s5 cockpit is actually 7 feet long, he and Capt Scumbagolino are now
trying to say "it isn't."
Of course two days ago they posted a graphic of it and I posted exact
dimensions, but that was too upsetting to bear. So poor Bob tried to
say (and this was damn funny!) that the helm is not part of a cockpit!
Then he tried to claim the cabin house sloped (It doesn't) and
finally...claiming that the measurement is not from the seat level to
helm seat back, but somehow beyond that.
So here's what I measured:

From point where cabin house meets bench seat, back to helmseat back
(Not extending to measure the coaming. I don't get 7'1. I get 7 feet
exactly. In other words, a 7 foot tall person could lie down (if you
pop off the wheel). That's more bench room than any of the other boats
I listed and also more room than a CS36, Catalina 34 and so on.
Measuring from seat-back to seat-back the cockpit is 5'9. Since there
is a slight slope to the seat-backs I chose the midway point. It's a
bit more higher up. So 7 X 5.9 is a proper INTERNAL dimension and does
not include any coamings.

Now...do Crantz and Scrambledlino have any integrity? Do they truly
believe their claims? Here's the wager, if they choose to accept it: If
I prove beyond any doubt that the 35s5 cockpit is 7 feet long they MUST
LEAVE ASA for good. Of course they'll return with new fake personas.

If I don't prove it, I'll leave ASA. So let's see what we see! It'll
take me all of 30 seconds to take a pic of the cockpit with a measuring
tape of course....no trouble at all as I'm measuring for Doyle today
anway.


RB
35s5
NY

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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If
I prove beyond any doubt


It looks like you just lost the bet Robert. "Any doubt" is a very high
standard and any utterances spewing from your pie hole certainly could not
clear that bar. Let the jury be the members of ASA and if one has any doubt,
you would lose. There's even contention over what a proper cockpit is. Stick
to driving your mini van. At least one knows it won't come to a screaching
halt due to recall notices.

Lloyd Bonifide

I prove beyond any doubt


It looks like you just lost the bet Robert. "Any doubt" is a very high




A photo will tell all. And of course if Bob Crantz had any balls at all
he'd simply go to the Beneteau group and ask. 7 feet is the length of
the cockpit without coamings. Not 7'1. And certainly not 6 feet.
If they're sure, then they should take the wager. If they feel my photo
is doctored, we can simply ask over on the Beneteau forum.

Hmmmm, Loyd....seems like Bob and Scumbolino are might quiet.



RB
35s5
NY

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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I prove beyond any doubt


It looks like you just lost the bet Robert. "Any doubt" is a very high




A photo will tell all. And of course if Bob Crantz had any balls at all
he'd simply go to the Beneteau group and ask. 7 feet is the length of
the cockpit without coamings. Not 7'1. And certainly not 6 feet.
If they're sure, then they should take the wager. If they feel my photo
is doctored, we can simply ask over on the Beneteau forum.

Hmmmm, Loyd....seems like Bob and Scumbolino are might quiet.



To me you aren't making sense. Scumbalino show CAD drawings of your cockpit
being around 7.1 feet. Bob agreed with him. Then you say it is 7 feet, not
7'1". Are you nuts?

Lloyd Bonifide

To me you aren't making sense. Scumbalino show CAD drawings of your
cockpit
being around 7.1 feet. Bob agreed with him. Then you say it is 7 feet,
not
7'1". Are you nuts?


You missed something. Bob is now claiming that the drawing does not
show an inside dimension of 7 feet and that it's more like 6.
If they believe that, then what's the problem with the wager? The
problem is that poor Bob said that the cockpit was small, when in fact
it's about the same size as any other 35 cruiser or larger. Frankly 6 X
5'9 would have been fine as well. That's still on par with plenty of
boats. The 35s5 has a 7 foot long cockpit measured as stated. Will
these clowns stand behind their claims?



RB
35s5
NY

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...

To me you aren't making sense. Scumbalino show CAD drawings of your
cockpit
being around 7.1 feet. Bob agreed with him. Then you say it is 7 feet,
not
7'1". Are you nuts?


You missed something. Bob is now claiming that the drawing does not
show an inside dimension of 7 feet and that it's more like 6.
If they believe that, then what's the problem with the wager? The
problem is that poor Bob said that the cockpit was small, when in fact
it's about the same size as any other 35 cruiser or larger. Frankly 6 X
5'9 would have been fine as well. That's still on par with plenty of
boats. The 35s5 has a 7 foot long cockpit measured as stated. Will
these clowns stand behind their claims?


I see what the point of contention is. Maybe Bob is claiming 6 feet for a
fully appointed cockpit with premium cushions. Cushions do subtract from
useable cockpit size. Does your cockpit have premium cushions? I have doubts
about your claim that 7 feet is a good sized cockpit for a 35 footer. The
Catalina 350 has a cockpit of almost 8.5 feet in length and a wider beam
than your boat. http://www.yachtshare.com/cgi-bin/di...small?bid=5022
One of its selling points is the ability for people to sleep in the cockpit
along with a track record of high quality valued priced yachts. Did you
consider the 350 over the 35s5? Have you any regrets?

Lloyd

Nutsy,

The helm area of the 35s5 is the problem with the 35s5 Cockpit!! The
Cockpit is CRAMPED!!

There isn't anything wrong with a small cockpit BUT a Cockpit that's
Cramped is STUPIDITY!!

The MAIN PURPOSE of a Cockpit is to Mount a Helm. The main purpose!

If "Benny" wanted to use that R&P helm with Wheel Steering, they should
have made room for it by moving the transom back. They were to DAMNED
CHEAP!!!
A decent Cable system could have solved the problem but that was more
expensive than a GEAR! They Went CHEAP,Cheap, cheap!

Cheap=a cramped Helm!




http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage

Capt. Rob wrote:
After poor Bob Crantz was utterly disemboweled by the fact that the
35s5 cockpit is actually 7 feet long, he and Capt Scumbagolino are now
trying to say "it isn't."

Sorry Bob, you lost this troll the minute you took out the tape
measure! What a PUTZ!!!

And it seems that you walked around your marina measuring all the
other boats!


Of course two days ago they posted a graphic of it and I posted exact
dimensions, but that was too upsetting to bear. So poor Bob tried to
say (and this was damn funny!) that the helm is not part of a cockpit!
Then he tried to claim the cabin house sloped (It doesn't) and
finally...claiming that the measurement is not from the seat level to
helm seat back, but somehow beyond that.
So here's what I measured:

From point where cabin house meets bench seat, back to helmseat back
(Not extending to measure the coaming. I don't get 7'1. I get 7 feet
exactly. In other words, a 7 foot tall person could lie down (if you
pop off the wheel).

If you "pop off the wheel"??? Isn't that like claiming the aft cabin
has great ventilation, as long as the air conditioning is running?

It really seems like you're intent on proving you have the best Marina
Queen around.


That's more bench room than any of the other boats
I listed and also more room than a CS36, Catalina 34 and so on.
Measuring from seat-back to seat-back the cockpit is 5'9. Since there
is a slight slope to the seat-backs I chose the midway point. It's a
bit more higher up. So 7 X 5.9 is a proper INTERNAL dimension and does
not include any coamings.

Sorry, Bob, because the wheel completely splits the cockpit, you can
only measure the space forward of wheel as being available to the crew.


Now...do Crantz and Scrambledlino have any integrity? Do they truly
believe their claims? Here's the wager, if they choose to accept it: If
I prove beyond any doubt that the 35s5 cockpit is 7 feet long they MUST
LEAVE ASA for good. Of course they'll return with new fake personas.

What claim are you talking about? Are are insisting that the cockpit
is smaller than they say? Your cockpit is clearly not "large"
compared to lots of other boats.

Here's large cockpit:
http://www.marshallcat.com/m22cpit3.htm

Here's another bigger cockpit on a smaller boat:
http://www.alerionexpress.net/id96.html

And if you like the separate helm, here's the proper way to do it, on
a boat faster than yours:
http://www.alerionexpress.net/id107.html

or perhaps:
http://www.bruckmannyachts.com/daysailer.htm


If I don't prove it, I'll leave ASA. So let's see what we see! It'll
take me all of 30 seconds to take a pic of the cockpit with a measuring
tape of course....no trouble at all as I'm measuring for Doyle today
anway.

Sure, we'd love to see you make a further idiot of yourself taking
pictures of a measuring tape.

"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..


or perhaps:
http://www.bruckmannyachts.com/daysailer.htm



Talk about pearls before swine!

You have exquisite taste in sailboats there Jeff.

Are you a Korean War Veteran?

Lloyd Bonifide

LLoyd Bonifide wrote:
"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..


or perhaps:
http://www.bruckmannyachts.com/daysailer.htm



Talk about pearls before swine!

Yes. I thought of the Hinckley 42DS first, but their web site ****ed
me off.


You have exquisite taste in sailboats there Jeff.
Actually, I think the Bruckmann is a bit over the top. I mean, half a
mil for a daysailer is rather extreme. If you really want to show you
have class and don't care about the expense, you should have one of these:
http://www.macnaughtongroup.com/concordia_yawl.htm
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1503266/0

The Marshall 22 is more my style.


Are you a Korean War Veteran?

Nope, that wasn't my war - by the time I understood what it was, it
was over.


Lloyd Bonifide