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Steve August 24th 06 11:28 PM

Catalina cockpit cushions?
 
Anybody know a good source for cockpit cushions that would fit a 1979
Catalina 30? I've found a couple places that have great cushions available,
they are apparently made to fit the boat, and a set (for a small cockpit!!!)
costs $650+. There's got to be a better way!

John Cairns August 24th 06 11:45 PM

Catalina cockpit cushions?
 

"Steve" wrote in message
news:MKpHg.5945$SZ3.5646@dukeread04...
Anybody know a good source for cockpit cushions that would fit a 1979
Catalina 30? I've found a couple places that have great cushions
available,
they are apparently made to fit the boat, and a set (for a small
cockpit!!!)
costs $650+. There's got to be a better way!


The better way would be to make them yourself. That sounds about right,
pricewise.

John Cairns



Capt. Rob August 25th 06 12:26 AM

Catalina cockpit cushions?
 
I've found a couple places that have great cushions available,
they are apparently made to fit the boat, and a set (for a small
cockpit!!!)
costs $650+. There's got to be a better way!



John is correct. My friend ordered top of the line cushions from
BottomSiders and they were nearly 900 bucks. They are quite nice.


RB
35s5
NY


Bob Crantz August 25th 06 02:37 PM

Catalina cockpit cushions?
 
Cockpit cushions are expensive and not so functional.

I line my spacious cockpit (much longer than a 35s5) with those USCG
approved throw cushions. People (as my cockpit can fit many) can adjust the
cushions for a custom, comfortable fit.

As an added bonus, when a knockdown occurs (which is quite frequent) I can
simply walk ashore on the cushions - all USCG approved!

I remind you that the cockpit cushions of a 35s5 are not USCG approved!



Capt. Rob August 25th 06 02:47 PM

Catalina cockpit cushions?
 
Cockpit cushions are expensive and not so functional.



Yes, they're very unpopular for that reason.



RB
35s5
NY


Bob Crantz August 25th 06 02:56 PM

Catalina cockpit cushions?
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...
Cockpit cushions are expensive and not so functional.



Yes, they're very unpopular for that reason.


Up until now. With the disclosure of my good advice, hundreds if not
thousands will run out to purchase USCG approved throw cushions and outfit
their fine vessels with the ultimate in comfort and functionality.

Another tip for the manly man - those cushions are available in camo!

You see RB, real sailors don't want fashions statements such as ridiculously
large wheels or curved plastic ports, they want functionality, practicality
and value.

You can't beat USCG approved cockpit cushions unless they're camo USCG
cockpit cushions!

Glory!



Capt. Rob August 25th 06 03:32 PM

Catalina cockpit cushions?
 

You see RB, real sailors don't want fashions statements such as
ridiculously
large wheels

Yeah, it's so silly to be able to reach the wheel from the high side!

or curved plastic ports

Yeah, having good light below is so impractical. Making the ports lexan
thicker than those on a baby Swan is also silly!

they want functionality, practicality
and value.

Value? On a sailboat? Costco cushions? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!



RB
35s5
NY


Capt. Rob August 25th 06 03:42 PM

Catalina cockpit cushions?
 

their fine vessels with the ultimate in comfort and functionality.




Loose cushions strewn around the cockpit are a safety hazard.



Of course. I bet poor Bob Crantz doesn't even know to cut those white
handles off if there's a toddler on board. The very fact that he's
suggesting cockpit gear that can't be secured show he's a non sailor
through and through.


RB
35s5
NY


Bob Crantz August 25th 06 03:52 PM

Catalina cockpit cushions?
 

"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...

Loose cushions strewn around the cockpit are a safety hazard.


No loose cushions, like you they are firmly under someone's ass.



Bob Crantz August 25th 06 03:56 PM

Catalina cockpit cushions?
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...

their fine vessels with the ultimate in comfort and functionality.




Loose cushions strewn around the cockpit are a safety hazard.



Of course. I bet poor Bob Crantz doesn't even know to cut those white
handles off if there's a toddler on board. The very fact that he's
suggesting cockpit gear that can't be secured show he's a non sailor
through and through.


Your ignorance is on compleat display. USCG mandates that the handles remain
and the cushions be ready to be thrown to someone who is in the water.

Are you not aware of such regulations?

You must be afraid Sudsy will spill beer on the cushions. Just limit her to
2 six packs and it won't be that much of a problem.

My cushions remain USCG approved! Including the swim platform cushions!

Holy!



Bob Crantz August 25th 06 04:07 PM

Catalina cockpit cushions?
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...


they want functionality, practicality
and value.

Value? On a sailboat? Costco cushions? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


Are you clueless or retarded? Costco does not sell camo cushions. Cabela's
does.

Busted!



Bob Crantz August 25th 06 04:10 PM

Catalina cockpit cushions?
 
§160.049-4 Construction and workmanship.
(a) General. This specification covers buoyant cushions of the box type
filled with unicellular plastic foam buoyant material. Such cushions consist
essentially of a buoyant insert contained in an outer cover fitted with grab
straps. The primary purpose of such cushions is to provide buoyancy to aid a
person in keeping afloat in the water. Buoyant cushions providing less than
20 pounds buoyancy or less than 2 inches in thickness will not be
acceptable.

(b) Cover. One piece of material each for the top and bottom shall be
stitched together to form the cover except that piecing of the cover
material will be allowed provided it is for decorative purposes only. Gusset
or boxing materials shall be of not more than two pieces. If more than one
piece of material is used for the top, bottom, boxing or gusset, they shall
be attached by a double row of stitching of the type shown in Federal
Standard No. 751, for Seam types SSw-2 or LSb-2. The top and bottom may be
of any of the materials permitted for the cover, but the boxing or gusset
shall be a cotton fabric as specified by §160.049-3(b)(1) or other
equivalent material of a porous nature. Nonporous materials will not be
permitted for the boxing or gusset, but coated upholstery cloth specified by
§160.049-3(c)(2), perforated to permit adequate draining and drying will be
acceptable.

(c) Buoyant material. A buoyant insert for a buoyant cushion must comply
with the requirements in paragraph (c) (1) and (2) of this section and may
be:

(1) Molded in one piece; or

(2) Built up from sheet material if it is formed from:

(i) Three pieces or less in each layer, cemented together with an
all-purpose vinyl adhesive such as or equivalent to U.S. Rubber No. M-6256
or Minnesota Mining No. EC-870 and No. EC-1070;

(ii) Three layers or less that may be cemented; and

(iii) Staggered butts and seams of adjacent layers.

(d) Grab Straps. Grab straps shall be attached as shown on Dwg. No.
160,049-1 and shall finish 20 inches long and 1 inch wide at opposite ends.
The grab straps, if formed from cover material shall be folded and stitched
together so as to produce a double thickness with raw edges turned under.
Other means will be given special consideration.

(e) Seams and stitching. Seams shall be constructed with not less than a
3/8-inch border between the seam and the edge of the cover materials. All
stitching shall be a lock stitch, 7 to 9 stitches per inch, except as
follows: Chain stitching 6 to 8 stitches per inch with 20/4 thread on top
and 40/3 thread on the bottom, will be acceptable in constructing grab
straps.

(f) Workmanship. All cushions shall be of first class workmanship and shall
be free from defects materially affecting their appearance or
serviceability. Cushions classified as "seconds" or "irregular" will not be
acceptable under this specification.

[CGFR 65-37, 30 FR 11586, Sept. 10, 1965, as amended by CGD 72-163R, 38 FR
8119, Mar. 28, 1973]



Capt. Rob August 25th 06 05:13 PM

Catalina cockpit cushions?
 

Your ignorance is on compleat display. USCG mandates that the handles
remain
and the cushions be ready to be thrown to someone who is in the water.



Bob, you really should not be such an asshole. Seriously. Those
cushions are dangerous for toddlers and have resulted in face-down
drownings due to the handles. Most people know this if they sail.
No surprise that you don't. Please don't troll with info that can hurt
a child.


RB
35s5
NY


Capt. Rob August 25th 06 05:18 PM

Catalina cockpit cushions?
 

Bob Crantz wrote:
"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...

Loose cushions strewn around the cockpit are a safety hazard.


No loose cushions, like you they are firmly under someone's ass.




Bob, even in your trolls, you display amazing ignorance regarding boat
safety. Loose cushions in a cockpit are not a good idea while sailing.
They should be secured and since most people tend to move around on a
boat, your cheap cushions end up flying about, underfoot and so on.
Messy, dangerous and cheap.
For you it's the last word, "cheap" that dictates your poor logic.
Proper cockpit cushions should be close cell and fastened down for
safety. If you find 900 bucks too expensive, be a real man and just sit
on the seat without a cushion. We rarely bother with them underway.
Yet another Crantz troll dies.



RB
35s5
NY


Jonathan Ganz August 25th 06 05:23 PM

Catalina cockpit cushions?
 
In article ,
Charlie Morgan wrote:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 07:56:43 -0600, "Bob Crantz"
wrote:


"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
roups.com...
Cockpit cushions are expensive and not so functional.



Yes, they're very unpopular for that reason.


Up until now. With the disclosure of my good advice, hundreds if not
thousands will run out to purchase USCG approved throw cushions and outfit
their fine vessels with the ultimate in comfort and functionality.


Loose cushions strewn around the cockpit are a safety hazard.


Easy fix... crazy glue them to the seats of either the cockpit or the
people.


--
Capt. JG @@
www.sailnow.com



Capt. Rob August 25th 06 05:26 PM

Catalina cockpit cushions?
 

crazy glue them to the seats of either the cockpit or the
people.



Surely it's Bob C's favorite glue.




RB
35s5
NY


Jonathan Ganz August 25th 06 05:33 PM

Catalina cockpit cushions?
 
Those are the requirements for a cushion that is intended to qualify
as your ONE required throwable device. Rob has a throwable device
mounted on the aft of his boat. It's a throwable ring with a line
attached. He doesn't need his cushions to conform to those
requirements.


Doesn't it have the readily accessible? The CG might argue that it's
not because its line is tied and not easily deployable.

--
Capt. JG @@
www.sailnow.com



Jonathan Ganz August 25th 06 06:19 PM

Catalina cockpit cushions?
 
In article ,
Charlie Morgan wrote:
On 25 Aug 2006 09:33:59 -0700, lid (Jonathan Ganz)
wrote:

Those are the requirements for a cushion that is intended to qualify
as your ONE required throwable device. Rob has a throwable device
mounted on the aft of his boat. It's a throwable ring with a line
attached. He doesn't need his cushions to conform to those
requirements.


Doesn't it have the readily accessible? The CG might argue that it's
not because its line is tied and not easily deployable.


I think "readily accessible" means it isn't buried under a huge pile
of crap in the bottom of a lazzerette. What about lifeslings that are
kept in a container that has to be opened?

Legally, your throwable device doesn't even have to have a line
attached to it, although most think it's a pretty good idea anyway.


I think you're right, but it would be a matter of interpretation by
whomever boards the boat. Given the other safety issues, such as
drinking, they might get picky.

--
Capt. JG @@
www.sailnow.com



Bob Crantz August 25th 06 07:33 PM

Catalina cockpit cushions?
 

"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...


Those are the requirements for a cushion that is intended to qualify
as your ONE required throwable device. Rob has a throwable device
mounted on the aft of his boat. It's a throwable ring with a line
attached. He doesn't need his cushions to conform to those
requirements.


Rob's horseshoe is the cushion for his toilet seat.

All my cushions are USCG approved!

Are yours?



Jonathan Ganz August 25th 06 07:34 PM

Catalina cockpit cushions?
 
In article ,
Charlie Morgan wrote:
I know a catankerous old guy who was being checked out and they asked
him why there was no line on his throwable. His respose was: "Well, if
someone falls off my boat, I don't mind throwing them a life ring, but
I sure as hell don't want 'em back on my boat!

They let it pass.


I always ask people to stow their wallets/purses below just in case of
such an eventuality. :-)

--
Capt. JG @@
www.sailnow.com



Bob Crantz August 25th 06 07:41 PM

Catalina cockpit cushions?
 

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...

Bob Crantz wrote:
"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...

Loose cushions strewn around the cockpit are a safety hazard.


No loose cushions, like you they are firmly under someone's ass.




Bob, even in your trolls, you display amazing ignorance regarding boat
safety.


I've written the manual on safety.

Loose cushions in a cockpit are not a good idea while sailing.


So are glass beer bottles.

They should be secured and since most people tend to move around on a
boat, your cheap cushions end up flying about, underfoot and so on.
Messy, dangerous and cheap.


How are your cockpit cushions secured? My cushions are certainly not open
cell foam or cheap. They are USCG approved safety devices. The camo ones are
not cheap! Cabelas Premium Model.

For you it's the last word, "cheap" that dictates your poor logic.


35s5 = cheap thrills.

Proper cockpit cushions should be close cell and fastened down for
safety.


How are yours fastened down? Most cockpit cushions are open cell foam. Go
check.


If you find 900 bucks too expensive, be a real man and just sit
on the seat without a cushion.


900 bucks I could go and buy a whole other boat.

We rarely bother with them underway.


Because they are not USCG approved except for your toilet seat cushion,
nicely colored yellow!

Yet another Crantz troll dies.

Not a troll in the least. Value oriented sailors know what I am speaking of.
You are trying to turn this into a troll.



Jeff August 25th 06 07:48 PM

Catalina cockpit cushions?
 
Capt. Rob wrote:
Your ignorance is on compleat display. USCG mandates that the handles
remain
and the cushions be ready to be thrown to someone who is in the water.


Bob, you really should not be such an asshole. Seriously. Those
cushions are dangerous for toddlers and have resulted in face-down
drownings due to the handles. Most people know this if they sail.
No surprise that you don't. Please don't troll with info that can hurt
a child.


This is nonsense. Are you telling us that you would leave your kid
unattended such that he could strap the cushion on his back and then
jump overboard?

There is certainly a danger there, but only because of stupid parents.
I would think that mutilating a standard piece of safety equipment
is a bigger danger.

BTW, if you're so concerned about safety, why haven't you put netting
around your cockpit - especially the open transom?

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com


Jonathan Ganz August 25th 06 08:00 PM

Catalina cockpit cushions?
 
In article ,
Jeff wrote:
Capt. Rob wrote:
Your ignorance is on compleat display. USCG mandates that the handles
remain
and the cushions be ready to be thrown to someone who is in the water.


Bob, you really should not be such an asshole. Seriously. Those
cushions are dangerous for toddlers and have resulted in face-down
drownings due to the handles. Most people know this if they sail.
No surprise that you don't. Please don't troll with info that can hurt
a child.


This is nonsense. Are you telling us that you would leave your kid
unattended such that he could strap the cushion on his back and then
jump overboard?

There is certainly a danger there, but only because of stupid parents.
I would think that mutilating a standard piece of safety equipment
is a bigger danger.

BTW, if you're so concerned about safety, why haven't you put netting
around your cockpit - especially the open transom?


The key to safety is not in the equipment but in ourselves. Apologies
to the original author for subverting the quote.

--
Capt. JG @@
www.sailnow.com



Bob Crantz August 25th 06 08:05 PM

Catalina cockpit cushions?
 

"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 12:33:25 -0600, "Bob Crantz"
wrote:


"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
. ..


Those are the requirements for a cushion that is intended to qualify
as your ONE required throwable device. Rob has a throwable device
mounted on the aft of his boat. It's a throwable ring with a line
attached. He doesn't need his cushions to conform to those
requirements.


Rob's horseshoe is the cushion for his toilet seat.

All my cushions are USCG approved!

Are yours?


Absolutely!

CWM


Amen!



John Cairns August 25th 06 08:15 PM

Catalina cockpit cushions?
 

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
. ..
Cockpit cushions are expensive and not so functional.

I line my spacious cockpit (much longer than a 35s5) with those USCG
approved throw cushions. People (as my cockpit can fit many) can adjust
the cushions for a custom, comfortable fit.

As an added bonus, when a knockdown occurs (which is quite frequent) I can
simply walk ashore on the cushions - all USCG approved!

I remind you that the cockpit cushions of a 35s5 are not USCG approved!


I should have mentioned that, the cushions are a great idea AND they serve
the dual purpose. I have a complete set of custom cockpit cushions for my
boat, they've sat in the garage attic the entire season, indeed, I've rarely
used them.

John Cairns




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