What I find really interesting is, that whenever a ROR, or
ColRegs question pops up, there's *always* an argument on
interpretation between the experts and ''Capts." here. To
hear the goings on here you would think there'd be a lot
more accidents than what there already is.

I don't have a Capt license, nor do I want one. I haven't
read all the rules and regs., and even if I did I wouldn't
remember 90% of them. When I sail I basically use common
sense and try to be safe.

Just a thought.

Scotty

The arguments are good. I'd bet you have picked up quite a bit
from listening in.

If you are like me after a while, the noise is greater than the content
and you tune out of the threads that die too slowly.

"Scotty" wrote
What I find really interesting is, that whenever a ROR, or
ColRegs question pops up, there's *always* an argument on
interpretation between the experts and ''Capts." here. To
hear the goings on here you would think there'd be a lot
more accidents than what there already is.

I don't have a Capt license, nor do I want one. I haven't
read all the rules and regs., and even if I did I wouldn't
remember 90% of them. When I sail I basically use common
sense and try to be safe.

Just a thought.

Scotty

True that Bart.
I look for the word "fool" - then I know the thread is really finished.
Scout

"Bart" .@. wrote in message ...
The arguments are good. I'd bet you have picked up quite a bit
from listening in.

If you are like me after a while, the noise is greater than the content
and you tune out of the threads that die too slowly.

"Scotty" wrote
What I find really interesting is, that whenever a ROR, or
ColRegs question pops up, there's *always* an argument on
interpretation between the experts and ''Capts." here. To
hear the goings on here you would think there'd be a lot
more accidents than what there already is.

I don't have a Capt license, nor do I want one. I haven't
read all the rules and regs., and even if I did I wouldn't
remember 90% of them. When I sail I basically use common
sense and try to be safe.

Just a thought.

Scotty

"Scout" wrote in message
. ..
True that Bart.
I look for the word "fool" - then I know the thread is
really finished.
Scout


that's foolish!












"Bart" .@. wrote in message
...
The arguments are good. I'd bet you have picked up
quite a bit
from listening in.

If you are like me after a while, the noise is greater
than the content
and you tune out of the threads that die too slowly.

"Scotty" wrote
What I find really interesting is, that whenever a ROR,
or
ColRegs question pops up, there's *always* an argument
on
interpretation between the experts and ''Capts." here.
To
hear the goings on here you would think there'd be a
lot
more accidents than what there already is.

I don't have a Capt license, nor do I want one. I
haven't
read all the rules and regs., and even if I did I
wouldn't
remember 90% of them. When I sail I basically use
common
sense and try to be safe.

Just a thought.

Scotty

"Scotty" wrote in message
. ..
What I find really interesting is, that whenever a ROR, or
ColRegs question pops up, there's *always* an argument on
interpretation between the experts and ''Capts." here. To
hear the goings on here you would think there'd be a lot
more accidents than what there already is.

Perhaps it's fortunate that the "experts" and "captains" herein aren't
actually doing commercial work on the water, Pete excepted.

I don't have a Capt license, nor do I want one. I haven't
read all the rules and regs., and even if I did I wouldn't
remember 90% of them. When I sail I basically use common
sense and try to be safe.

Yup. I avoid commercial vessels like the plague. And I try to avoid
shipping lanes and channels whenever possible.

Several years ago a fishing tug disappeared on Lake Michigan on a clear,
calm, sunny day without a trace. It was almost a year before they located
the wreck. It had been crushed, and linear red paint streaks were all over
the boat. The investigation was relatively easy, and the red barge that ran
the tug down was located in Chicago, sporting damage to the bow and
underbelly. Charges were filed and the "captain" who skippered the tug
pushing the barge either faces trial for, or has been convicted of,
negligent homicide--I can't recall which.

Rather supports your theory stated in your first paragraph, Scoot.

Max

"Maxprop" wrote in message
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"Scotty" wrote in message
. ..
What I find really interesting is, that whenever a ROR, or
ColRegs question pops up, there's *always* an argument on
interpretation between the experts and ''Capts." here. To
hear the goings on here you would think there'd be a lot
more accidents than what there already is.

Perhaps it's fortunate that the "experts" and "captains" herein aren't
actually doing commercial work on the water, Pete excepted.

I don't have a Capt license, nor do I want one. I haven't
read all the rules and regs., and even if I did I wouldn't
remember 90% of them. When I sail I basically use common
sense and try to be safe.

Yup. I avoid commercial vessels like the plague. And I try to avoid
shipping lanes and channels whenever possible.

Several years ago a fishing tug disappeared on Lake Michigan on a clear,
calm, sunny day without a trace. It was almost a year before they located
the wreck. It had been crushed, and linear red paint streaks were all
over the boat. The investigation was relatively easy, and the red barge
that ran the tug down was located in Chicago, sporting damage to the bow
and underbelly. Charges were filed and the "captain" who skippered the
tug pushing the barge either faces trial for, or has been convicted of,
negligent homicide--I can't recall which.

Rather supports your theory stated in your first paragraph, Scoot.

Am I Scoot or is Scotty Scoot?? :-o
Scout

You are right Scotty, common sense is what really matters. Steer clear of
potential trouble.

"Scotty" wrote in message
. ..
What I find really interesting is, that whenever a ROR, or
ColRegs question pops up, there's *always* an argument on
interpretation between the experts and ''Capts." here. To
hear the goings on here you would think there'd be a lot
more accidents than what there already is.

I don't have a Capt license, nor do I want one. I haven't
read all the rules and regs., and even if I did I wouldn't
remember 90% of them. When I sail I basically use common
sense and try to be safe.

Just a thought.

Scotty

"Maxprop" wrote
| Yup. I avoid commercial vessels like the plague. And I try to avoid
| shipping lanes and channels whenever possible.


Me too! Can't you just tell from otn. *His* colreg rules are all for the big ships.
"Little boats don't really count, IMHO G". I don't think he understands the meaning
of the word *severe*. He thinks one little boat towing another one has severely limited
maneuverability. Duh! Jeff's just as bad. But, Jeff is like a politician. He can't seem
to say it plain and clear. He covers all bases. But, he doesn't stand firm on any of them....

Cheers,
Ellen

Maxprop wrote:
"Scotty" wrote in message
. ..
What I find really interesting is, that whenever a ROR, or
ColRegs question pops up, there's *always* an argument on
interpretation between the experts and ''Capts." here. To
hear the goings on here you would think there'd be a lot
more accidents than what there already is.

No, usually the professionals and those of us who have actually
studied the rules are in agreement.

It's the people who haven't read the rules or haven't learned what
they really mean that create the disagreements. Like Ellen claiming
she doesn't have to honor a RAM signal from a small vessel that she
doesn't think deserves it. Or Neal claiming no one can make him slow
down in the fog. And then there's always the kayakers who insist the
smaller boat always has ROW, or the "common sense" sailors that insist
that the boat that "needs" it more must have ROW.


Perhaps it's fortunate that the "experts" and "captains" herein aren't
actually doing commercial work on the water, Pete excepted.

Isn't Otn a harbor pilot?

They more I understand the rules, the more appreciation I have for the
masters of large ships and commercial ferries. They show an
impressive ability for anticipating how situations will evolve.

And I've learned that the helmsman of the sport fisherman headed at me
at 35 knots is probably digging a beer out of the fridge.


I don't have a Capt license, nor do I want one. I haven't
read all the rules and regs., and even if I did I wouldn't
remember 90% of them. When I sail I basically use common
sense and try to be safe.

Yup. I avoid commercial vessels like the plague. And I try to avoid
shipping lanes and channels whenever possible.

Several years ago a fishing tug disappeared on Lake Michigan on a clear,
calm, sunny day without a trace. It was almost a year before they located
the wreck. It had been crushed, and linear red paint streaks were all over
the boat. The investigation was relatively easy, and the red barge that ran
the tug down was located in Chicago, sporting damage to the bow and
underbelly. Charges were filed and the "captain" who skippered the tug
pushing the barge either faces trial for, or has been convicted of,
negligent homicide--I can't recall which.

There was a similar case here in 2001, the Russian tanker Virgo sunk
the Gloucester fishing vessel Starbound and continued on to
Newfoundland. It turned into a legal quagmire, and the Russian
crewmen who were on watch eventually returned to Russia. US courts
wanted to prosecute for involuntary manslaughter and negligence, but
its not clear they had standing.


Rather supports your theory stated in your first paragraph, Scoot.


I'm not sure what it shows at all. Are you claiming that tug masters
shouldn't learn the rules because then they would keep a better
lookout? Yeh, that makes sense.

"Jeff" wrote
| Like Ellen claiming
| she doesn't have to honor a RAM signal from a small vessel that she
| doesn't think deserves it.

Show me where I said that in those words and I'll give you oral sex! I think I
see your problem. You can't read too well. You jump to false conclusions.

| Or Neal claiming no one can make him slow
| down in the fog.

*Neal* do you mean Captain Neal? He should know. He's wrote lessons... I wish
he'd come back here. He'd set y'all straight. He's got a Master's license. I can't
even pass the test yet for a six-pak. (But I keep studying :-))

Cheers,
Ellen