Congratulations to the Dems (I aint no Dem either).

No congratulations are in order. This shouldn't be an us vs. them situation.
Now that the House is under Dem leadership, perhaps some thoughtful
discussion can happen between the two parties. If the Senate goes also, that
will make it even more likely, since the only alternative is gridlock.

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Congratulations to the Dems (I aint no Dem either).

In article , lid
says...
No congratulations are in order. This shouldn't be an us vs. them situation.
Now that the House is under Dem leadership, perhaps some thoughtful
discussion can happen between the two parties. If the Senate goes also, that
will make it even more likely, since the only alternative is gridlock.

Indeed. Congratulations should be extended to the framers for their
check and balance foresight and the American citizenry for exercising
their right to vote their conscience.

We have an opportunity to repair what's gone wrong if the partisanship
can get set aside or at least somewhat muted.

If Bush is demanding and attempts to push politically-motivated
"reforms" such as social security, he'll cement the Ds position as the
preferred party.

jps

One can only hope. While I've certainly been party to strenuous admonitions
about how terrible things have been under Bush (and they have been terrible
IMHO), the bigger picture demands a more measured approach about how we
govern ourselves. The founders had amazing foresight, and this election
proves it.

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In article , lid
says...
No congratulations are in order. This shouldn't be an us vs. them
situation.
Now that the House is under Dem leadership, perhaps some thoughtful
discussion can happen between the two parties. If the Senate goes also,
that
will make it even more likely, since the only alternative is gridlock.

Indeed. Congratulations should be extended to the framers for their
check and balance foresight and the American citizenry for exercising
their right to vote their conscience.

We have an opportunity to repair what's gone wrong if the partisanship
can get set aside or at least somewhat muted.

If Bush is demanding and attempts to push politically-motivated
"reforms" such as social security, he'll cement the Ds position as the
preferred party.

jps

"jps" wrote in message
...
In article , lid
says...
No congratulations are in order. This shouldn't be an us vs. them
situation.
Now that the House is under Dem leadership, perhaps some thoughtful
discussion can happen between the two parties. If the Senate goes also,
that
will make it even more likely, since the only alternative is gridlock.

Indeed. Congratulations should be extended to the framers for their
check and balance foresight and the American citizenry for exercising
their right to vote their conscience.

We have an opportunity to repair what's gone wrong if the partisanship
can get set aside or at least somewhat muted.

If Bush is demanding and attempts to push politically-motivated
"reforms" such as social security, he'll cement the Ds position as the
preferred party.

jps

Unfortunately, you picked a reform that is needed. Social Security. Quit
giving all our children's money to the older generation now. SS was never
the national retirement system. Let us hope that Pelosi does not try to be
vinductive, The country wants improvements, not witch hunts.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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Unfortunately, you picked a reform that is needed. Social Security. Quit
giving all our children's money to the older generation now. SS was never
the national retirement system. Let us hope that Pelosi does not try to
be vinductive, The country wants improvements, not witch hunts.


It may not be a national retirement system, but it was signed into law by
FDR during the depression to encourage older folks to retire and give up
their jobs to the younger generation. Contrary to some popular belief, it
was never intended to be "temporary".

Eisboch

Calif Bill wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
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In article , lid
says...
No congratulations are in order. This shouldn't be an us vs. them
situation.
Now that the House is under Dem leadership, perhaps some thoughtful
discussion can happen between the two parties. If the Senate goes also,
that
will make it even more likely, since the only alternative is gridlock.

Indeed. Congratulations should be extended to the framers for their
check and balance foresight and the American citizenry for exercising
their right to vote their conscience.

We have an opportunity to repair what's gone wrong if the partisanship
can get set aside or at least somewhat muted.

If Bush is demanding and attempts to push politically-motivated
"reforms" such as social security, he'll cement the Ds position as the
preferred party.

jps

Unfortunately, you picked a reform that is needed. Social Security. Quit
giving all our children's money to the older generation now. SS was never
the national retirement system. Let us hope that Pelosi does not try to be
vinductive, The country wants improvements, not witch hunts.

I agree, the country needs improvements. The number one improvement
will be snatching the reins of the republicans responsible for the mess
we're in.

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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Unfortunately, you picked a reform that is needed. Social Security.
Quit giving all our children's money to the older generation now. SS was
never the national retirement system. Let us hope that Pelosi does not
try to be vinductive, The country wants improvements, not witch hunts.


It may not be a national retirement system, but it was signed into law by
FDR during the depression to encourage older folks to retire and give up
their jobs to the younger generation. Contrary to some popular belief, it
was never intended to be "temporary".

Eisboch


But even FDR said that people needed to have their own savings also. And it
was the "Widows and childrens act" originally to protect those left behind
when the working age person left life behind.

Calif Bill wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
.net...


Unfortunately, you picked a reform that is needed. Social Security.
Quit giving all our children's money to the older generation now. SS was
never the national retirement system. Let us hope that Pelosi does not
try to be vinductive, The country wants improvements, not witch hunts.


It may not be a national retirement system, but it was signed into law by
FDR during the depression to encourage older folks to retire and give up
their jobs to the younger generation. Contrary to some popular belief, it
was never intended to be "temporary".

Eisboch


But even FDR said that people needed to have their own savings also. And it
was the "Widows and childrens act" originally to protect those left behind
when the working age person left life behind.

As a small businessman, I have to fund my own retirement system, why
cant everyone else? Stop whining that you dont have a pension, i dont
either and never expected one. If you dont put enough away for
retirement, its your own fault.. You have had the opportunity, if you
didnt do it, dont whine.

Frogwatch wrote:


As a small businessman, I have to fund my own retirement system, why
cant everyone else? Stop whining that you dont have a pension, i dont
either and never expected one. If you dont put enough away for
retirement, its your own fault.. You have had the opportunity, if you
didnt do it, dont whine.

As a small businessman you are no doubt painfully aware of the 15.2%
levied as self employment tax. That's in addition to whatever other
income tax that you're responsible for.

Why is there a special tax on labor, when money that comes your way
through dividents, rents, royalties, & inheritance isn't? The
ostensible reason is that the payroll tax is partially a pension system,
and you'll eventually be paid back by the system. Social Security
reform as proposed by the Republicans is basically a plan to not pay you
back, in effect stealing your pension, and the pensions of every working
person in America.

And the reason to loot the pension system? Well, the same reason any
pension system is looted - greed.

///Walt