http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...120702037.html
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/ar...th_proble ms/

Jeff wrote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...120702037.html
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/ar...th_proble ms/

Thats downright pathatic and criminal IMO.

For the money spent updating (screwing up) the island class boats they
could have bought 15 new 165 ftrs like this one :
http://www.beierradio.com/Customers/hotshot.jpeg

Someone needs to go to prision and think about what they done.

Joe

Joe wrote:
Jeff wrote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...120702037.html
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/ar...th_proble ms/

Thats downright pathatic and criminal IMO.

For the money spent updating (screwing up) the island class boats they
could have bought 15 new 165 ftrs like this one :


oppps sorry for the 88 million dollars they could have buildt around 22
brand spanking new, faster 165 ftrs.
The days of the 4000 dollar toilet seats and 800 dollar hammers must be
coming back into vogue.


http://www.beierradio.com/Customers/hotshot.jpeg

Someone needs to go to prision and think about what they done.

Joe

Steve wrote:
The problem is that the Coast Guard has been dragged into the
Department of Defense. Everything will be much more expensive. Those
old big cutters from the 60's were generations ahead of their time,
using CODAG power plants. They have been in reliable service for over
40 years. The USCG got its start as the Revenue Cutter Service, mainly
to stop rum runners and smugglers.

I say turn the Coast Guard over to private industry.

All towing and maintaince to aids to navigation I agree.


They can maintain
the bouys, do the rescues and all that.

I would not trust a private firm to do rescues.

The USCG is so far from its
original roots it is pathetic.

No ones running rum anymore, whatcha expect?

Why are they in Iraq? Why send them to
VietNam?

Maybe they are better at harbor security / police operations..

Joe

Steve wrote:
On 11 Dec 2006 14:18:03 -0600, Dave wrote:

On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:19:01 -0700, Steve Dooley said:

The problem is that the Coast Guard has been dragged into the
Department of Defense.

Um...the last time I looked, they were part of the Department of Homeland
Security.


Read this:

http://www.uscg.mil/deepwater/pdf/nationalfleet2006.pdf

Not that long ago they were under the Dept of Transportation. That
document essentially makes them part of the Navy.


Next we will see such arrangements between the Boy Scouts, the Army
and Marine Corps to provide more cannon fodder for foriegn wars. The
Navy already has the sea cadets and the Air Force has the CAP.


Pleeeze.. The USCG is helping out the Navy because the navy needs
shallow water boats.

I would like to see lots of new Navy PT boats, and have the USCG guard
our harbors and coast.

I do not like the militarization of our country at all. It's a
harbinger for pertual war.

Maybe it's to prevent another terror attack.

Joe

O K everybody join in .........Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya Oh Lord,
kumbaya. Someone's singing Lord, kumbaya Someone's singing
Lord, kumbaya ...


Steve Dooley wrote ...

I do not like the militarization of our country at all.
It's a
harbinger for pertual war
No, I'll stay here and change it from within by legal
means. You seem
like the type to believe that if we had F-22's, Ospreys,
JSF, DDX
things would have gone much better in Iraq. A large
military is no
substitute for good policy, good diplomacy and good
intelligence.
Military action is the result of failed policy and not
just short term
policy. The habitual use of force on foriegn countries
actually
weakens our country. It shows no long range vision, no
workable
solutions and no consideration for others. Yeah, the US
did topple
Hussien's government, but failed on the nation building
front. It
isn't the military that failed in Iraq, we have the best
and plenty of
it, it is policy, diplomacy and intelligence that has
failed. Maybe it
is time the military got trimmed a bit so we can build up
on the
intelligence and diplomacy front. Does the Air Force
really need a
gold course on every base while the marines sleep in the
mud?

How long will America continue to lead the world as a
model of liberty
and tolerance when people such as you at the mere mention
of any
"anti American" criticism call for expulsion of those
individuals from
the country? Why are you so intolerant of people with
opinions just a
bit different than yours? Are you that insecure? Why must
you resort
to such black/white ultimatums?

I do not like the militarization of our country. I do not
like the
suppression of civil liberties. I do not like holding
people for long
periods of time without due process. I resent seeing
ordinary
Americans treated with the suspicion that they are guilty
of some
crime or are about to perpetrate some act of terrorism.

Next we will be building a wall, not to keep people out,
but to keep
them in.

Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya
Oh Lord, kumbaya

Someone's whining, Lord, kumbaya
Someone's whining, Lord, kumbaya
Someone's whining, Lord, kumbaya
Oh Lord, kumbaya

Someone's crying, Lord, kumbaya
Someone's crying, Lord, kumbaya
Someone's crying, Lord, kumbaya
Oh Lord, kumbaya

Someone's praying, Lord, kumbaya
Someone's praying, Lord, kumbaya
Someone's praying, Lord, kumbaya
Oh Lord, kumbaya

Someone's sleeping, Lord, kumbaya
Someone's sleeping, Lord, kumbaya
Someone's sleeping, Lord, kumbaya
Oh Lord, kumbaya
Oh Lord, kumbaya

Steve Dooley wrote in message
...
On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 18:07:53 -0500, "Scotty"

wrote:

O K everybody join in .........Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya Oh
Lord,
kumbaya. Someone's singing Lord, kumbaya Someone's
singing
Lord, kumbaya ...



Even the military saw it as a failure of intelligence
before the war
started:


http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...1-05-iraq-game
s_x.htm?csp=15


So what is Bush & Co doing now? Turning Iraq over to Iran!
Remember
Chamberlain and Hitler? WWII?


There is going to be an even bigger war a decade or two
down the road
because of the failings in Iraq today. History will
repeat itself.
WWII was a repeat of WWI. We have Gulf War I and Gulf War
II. Islamic
control of nuclear weapons will make WWII look like an ice
cream
social. Imagine a war starting with Hiroshima. Israel will
start the
next world war. Just watch and see.

Steve

"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 18:07:53 -0500, "Scotty" said:

O K everybody join in .........Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya Oh Lord,
kumbaya. Someone's singing Lord, kumbaya Someone's singing
Lord, kumbaya ...

LOL.

Sounds like Steve better get out while the getting's good.


That should be our strategy for Iraq.

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Steve wrote:
On 11 Dec 2006 15:05:09 -0600, Dave wrote:

On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 13:33:48 -0700, Steve Dooley said:


http://www.uscg.mil/deepwater/pdf/nationalfleet2006.pdf

Not that long ago they were under the Dept of Transportation. That
document essentially makes them part of the Navy.

Nonsense. It does nothing of the kind.


Alright then, they have nothing to do with the Navy.



[snip]

I do not like the militarization of our country at all. It's a
harbinger for pertual war.

Congrats on being honest enough to admit what your agenda is. As soon as
you're ready to emigrate I'll be happy to assist in packing if you're
anywhere nearby.


No, I'll stay here and change it from within by legal means.

Damn.


It shows no long range vision, no workable
solutions and no consideration for others. Yeah, the US did topple
Hussien's government,

Did we consider the Iraqi people in removing the evil dictator Saddam?

Does the Air Force really need a
gold course on every base

FN right they do...were are they going to play drunken golf after they
leave the enlisted mens club?


while the marines sleep in the mud?


Marines get off in sleeping in the mud.


How long will America continue to lead the world as a model of liberty
and tolerance when people such as you at the mere mention of any
"anti American" criticism call for expulsion of those individuals from
the country?

He did not call for your expulsion, he said if you do not like it get
out.



Next we will be building a wall, not to keep people out, but to keep
them in.

Yeah right, more people try to get into the USA more than any other
country TODAY.

I bet you wonder why......right Skidoo?

Joe

Steve Dooley wrote in message
...
On 11 Dec 2006 17:47:07 -0600, Dave wrote:

On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 18:07:53 -0500, "Scotty" said:

O K everybody join in .........Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya Oh Lord,
kumbaya. Someone's singing Lord, kumbaya Someone's singing
Lord, kumbaya ...

LOL.

Sounds like Steve better get out while the getting's good.


There is no point in any discussion with ignorant knuckle draggers.



Snow boarders? This is a sailing newsgroup...

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