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All, Am looking to move up to a bigger boat. Have been sailing a US27
in the Potomac for 8+ years and want a bigger boat. My first boat was a Catalina 22 and the current favorite is the Catalina 320. I have two main questions, one on price and the other on hull condition. In looking at the boats and their sale prices there is quite a bit of difference between the NADA and BUCS valuation and the asking price. When I asked a dealer about this his explanation was that they (the dealers) have a new system as the NADA and BUCS were out of touch and that they were designed to get people to put more money down as that would be the maximum they would lend. I find that to be a bit bogus and just a little self serving for the dealers. Both systems and the prices track with the same trend. I am inclined to believe the NADA and BUCS valuations are fair and would be the standard I would look to when I go to sell this boat to determine the asking price. Am I off base on this? My second question is that the dealer then went into a long discussion about me wanting a boat that was in salt water as the salt molecules would have made the water molecules larger and it would be less likely to have blistering on the hull. Is hull blistering still a big problem? Our US27 was made in 1981 when they were still trying to figure out what was causing blistering, and we have never had a single blister and our boat has been in fresh and salt water. I know Catalina offers a 5-year blister warranty on their hulls and has a layer of some type of plastic embedded just under the gel coat. Is this important or just a feature? My understanding as to the cause of blistering in fiberglass hulls was that once a builder started making a hull it was important to keep laying the layers down one after the other until the hull was completely laid out. Also part of this was to ensure that the previous layer was still a bit tacky so that the subsequent layer would fuse/mix with the previous layer for a tighter more impervious bond. When I mentioned this to the dealer, he did acknowledge this, but I was not sure if he raised this concern as the boat he was selling had been in salt water or if he had seen a lot of instances of blistering. Thanks Ray |
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![]() "Ray" wrote My second question is that the dealer then went into a long discussion about me wanting a boat that was in salt water as the salt molecules would have made the water molecules larger and it would be less likely to have blistering on the hull. Is hull blistering still a big problem? He hee. That's pretty funny about water molecules being larger in salt water. Duh. Even I know how dumb it is to think that. Salt doesn't become part of the water molecules. It just goes into solution and is in there between the water molecules. But, I've always heard salt water boats have more blister problems than fresh water boats. Osmosis is a problem more on some older boats then the newer ones. The newer ones use isothalmalitic resins or epoxy barrier paints or even special water proof gel coats to stop osmosis. Real old boats seem pretty immune to blisters too. Maybe they used to make fiberglass better in the old boats. I don't know. Catalina I think has a pretty good warranty against blisters. Cheers, Ellen |
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All, Am looking to move up to a bigger boat. Have been sailing a US27 in the Potomac for 8+ years and want a bigger boat. My first boat was a Catalina 22 and the current favorite is the Catalina 320. I have two main questions, one on price and the other on hull condition. In looking at the boats and their sale prices there is quite a bit of difference between the NADA and BUCS valuation and the asking price. When I asked a dealer about this his explanation was that they (the dealers) have a new system as the NADA and BUCS were out of touch and that they were designed to get people to put more money down as that would be the maximum they would lend. I find that to be a bit bogus and just a little self serving for the dealers. Both systems and the prices track with the same trend. I am inclined to believe the NADA and BUCS valuations are fair and would be the standard I would look to when I go to sell this boat to determine the asking price. Am I off base on this? My second question is that the dealer then went into a long discussion about me wanting a boat that was in salt water as the salt molecules would have made the water molecules larger and it would be less likely to have blistering on the hull. Is hull blistering still a big problem? Our US27 was made in 1981 when they were still trying to figure out what was causing blistering, and we have never had a single blister and our boat has been in fresh and salt water. I know Catalina offers a 5-year blister warranty on their hulls and has a layer of some type of plastic embedded just under the gel coat. Is this important or just a feature? My understanding as to the cause of blistering in fiberglass hulls was that once a builder started making a hull it was important to keep laying the layers down one after the other until the hull was completely laid out. Also part of this was to ensure that the previous layer was still a bit tacky so that the subsequent layer would fuse/mix with the previous layer for a tighter more impervious bond. When I mentioned this to the dealer, he did acknowledge this, but I was not sure if he raised this concern as the boat he was selling had been in salt water or if he had seen a lot of instances of blistering. Thanks Ray Do not listen to dealers. Do not believe dealers. If you really want the boat, make an offer pending survey. Make your offer what you think the boat is worth based on your 8 years experience and the NADA and BUCS valuation. And do it all before Congress decides boats are a luxury item and put a ferderal tax on them. |
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Ray,
You seem more Knowledgable than the rest of us put together. I have one comment to make; A friend of mine brought a Cat 34 as salvage ( boat in the next slip lost to fire) the 34 was replaced by insurance. My friend wanted the Diesel for his boat. He parted the rest of the boat. I watched him cut up the hull to depose of it. Ray, I've never seen a better built fibreglass hull. Good Luck http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ILLDRINKTOTHAT http://community.webtv.net/tassail/Pneuma |
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