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![]() "Vic Smith" wrote in message ... Right. I'm not going to do an impulse buy. That's excellent that you're taking your time and doing it right. There's one moron around here by the name of JimC who claims he's a lawyer. He ran out on an impulse and bought a Mac26M and now is totally embarrassed about his uninformed entry-level purchase. It's like I'm sure people look at his boat and then find out he's a lawyer and they begin to wonder how lame is this guy. Lawyers who are worth a hoot make, what, about 500 dollars an hour so he ought to be able to afford a real boat and a classy boat at that. Anyhow, poor JimC spent probably a hundred hours posting things about how he was so happy with his purchase but you could tell he was not happy at all. Somebody who's happy with his boat doesn't spend hundreds of hours trying to convince himself how great it is. But, I think the dude finally got the message that everybody thought he was pretty stupid and he got totally disrespected so he sorta slunk off with his tail tucked. He just about quit posting on alt.sailing.asa because he became the laughing stock of the group. If you are the type of individual who is a bit insecure about his personal worth and has low self-esteem and is a bit paranoid like Jonathan Ganz, for example, do yourself a favor and consider how people will snicker behind your back and make snide remarks about your pretend sailboat. If that sort of thing gets to you perhaps you should reconsider and get a boat that is more prestigious. If you don't give a crap what people think about your choice of boat and it doesn't bother your self-esteem the Mac 26 could be a decent choice for you. If you're more like Scotty you won't care at all what people think. Scotty sails a Seidelmann which has a worse reputation than even a Mac26. He doesn't seem to care that almost everybody laughs at him behind his back and shuns him to his face when confronted with him in person. He's the type that probably would be very happy with a Mac26. Wilbur Hubbard |
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On Mar 25, 1:00 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Vic Smith" wrote in message ... Right. I'm not going to do an impulse buy. That's excellent that you're taking your time and doing it right. There's one moron around here by the name of JimC who claims he's a lawyer. He ran out on an impulse and bought a Mac26M and now is totally embarrassed about his uninformed entry-level purchase. It's like I'm sure people look at his boat and then find out he's a lawyer and they begin to wonder how lame is this guy. Lawyers who are worth a hoot make, what, about 500 dollars an hour so he ought to be able to afford a real boat and a classy boat at that. Anyhow, poor JimC spent probably a hundred hours posting things about how he was so happy with his purchase but you could tell he was not happy at all. Somebody who's happy with his boat doesn't spend hundreds of hours trying to convince himself how great it is. But, I think the dude finally got the message that everybody thought he was pretty stupid and he got totally disrespected so he sorta slunk off with his tail tucked. He just about quit posting on alt.sailing.asa because he became the laughing stock of the group. If you are the type of individual who is a bit insecure about his personal worth and has low self-esteem and is a bit paranoid like Jonathan Ganz, for example, do yourself a favor and consider how people will snicker behind your back and make snide remarks about your pretend sailboat. If that sort of thing gets to you perhaps you should reconsider and get a boat that is more prestigious. If you don't give a crap what people think about your choice of boat and it doesn't bother your self-esteem the Mac 26 could be a decent choice for you. If you're more like Scotty you won't care at all what people think. Scotty sails a Seidelmann which has a worse reputation than even a Mac26. He doesn't seem to care that almost everybody laughs at him behind his back and shuns him to his face when confronted with him in person. He's the type that probably would be very happy with a Mac26. Wilbur Hubbard Hey Wilber, Guess who I saw out sailing on the lake today? It's blowing about 13kts steady and it looks like he was having a nice sail. Joe |
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![]() "Joe" wrote in message oups.com... On Mar 25, 1:00 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Vic Smith" wrote in message ... Right. I'm not going to do an impulse buy. That's excellent that you're taking your time and doing it right. There's one moron around here by the name of JimC who claims he's a lawyer. He ran out on an impulse and bought a Mac26M and now is totally embarrassed about his uninformed entry-level purchase. It's like I'm sure people look at his boat and then find out he's a lawyer and they begin to wonder how lame is this guy. Lawyers who are worth a hoot make, what, about 500 dollars an hour so he ought to be able to afford a real boat and a classy boat at that. Anyhow, poor JimC spent probably a hundred hours posting things about how he was so happy with his purchase but you could tell he was not happy at all. Somebody who's happy with his boat doesn't spend hundreds of hours trying to convince himself how great it is. But, I think the dude finally got the message that everybody thought he was pretty stupid and he got totally disrespected so he sorta slunk off with his tail tucked. He just about quit posting on alt.sailing.asa because he became the laughing stock of the group. If you are the type of individual who is a bit insecure about his personal worth and has low self-esteem and is a bit paranoid like Jonathan Ganz, for example, do yourself a favor and consider how people will snicker behind your back and make snide remarks about your pretend sailboat. If that sort of thing gets to you perhaps you should reconsider and get a boat that is more prestigious. If you don't give a crap what people think about your choice of boat and it doesn't bother your self-esteem the Mac 26 could be a decent choice for you. If you're more like Scotty you won't care at all what people think. Scotty sails a Seidelmann which has a worse reputation than even a Mac26. He doesn't seem to care that almost everybody laughs at him behind his back and shuns him to his face when confronted with him in person. He's the type that probably would be very happy with a Mac26. Wilbur Hubbard Hey Wilber, Guess who I saw out sailing on the lake today? It's blowing about 13kts steady and it looks like he was having a nice sail. Joe A lake in Texas. It couldn't be Scotti-Potti. Nor Bobsprit. Nor JL Rodgers who never got around to getting a boat. Maybe it was Greg in his Coronado 25. He lives down there in Texas the last I heard. Wilbur Hubbard |
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On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:39:57 GMT, JimC wrote:
Wilbur Hubbard wrote: "Vic Smith" wrote in message ... Right. I'm not going to do an impulse buy. That's excellent that you're taking your time and doing it right. There's one moron around here by the name of JimC who claims he's a lawyer. He ran out on an impulse and bought a Mac26M and now is totally embarrassed about his uninformed entry-level purchase. It's like I'm sure people look at his boat and then find out he's a lawyer and they begin to wonder how lame is this guy. Lawyers who are worth a hoot make, what, about 500 dollars an hour so he ought to be able to afford a real boat and a classy boat at that. Anyhow, poor JimC spent probably a hundred hours posting things about how he was so happy with his purchase but you could tell he was not happy at all. Somebody who's happy with his boat doesn't spend hundreds of hours trying to convince himself how great it is. What's really sick is how Wilbur, and a few others, devote all that attention and time posting such garbage criticizing me and my boat. If he was really interested in sailing and really enjoying his own boat, he wouldn't be so interested in posting more sarcastic notes like that one. (Actually, once was enough for us to get your peculiar and biases re the Macs, Wilbur.) - Why do you go on and on on this subject? It suggests that you have some other motive, of course. - Are you jealous that I'm out sailing and enjoying my boat after you have posted all those notes explaining why I shouldn't enjoy sailing it? It's obvious that Wilbur has some personal problems and is in need of professional help. - No normal adult would get his jollies posting such childish, personal attacks on a fellow sailor, over and over again. Jim Jim, I wasn't aware that you knew Wilbur personally and so well. I wouldn't get upset too much. You are quite right in your comments. Some people regard boats as they do their cars - the newer, the more expensive, the faster and so on, the better. There is actually no best boat at all. There are boats better suited for cruising, for racing, for shallow waters, for entertaining etc., A true lover of boats and those with experience of the sea does not regard them as a status symbol to enhance the social or other status of the owner. As there is no "best" woman or man, there is no best boat. People choose boats for a number of reasons, often quite illogical - rather like marriage. I recall two boats in New Zealand that would readily incur the ridicule of such as Wilbur. One was a 18 foot open plywood home built dory with the name "John's Dory" painted on the sides in large letters. Holiday makers at the wharf of the resort town where my beach home is never gave it a second glance but stared at the large and new power boats with dreamy eyes. The interesting thing is that John, being retired, went out recreational fishing in his home built boat every day and always came back with a decent catch. His little boat was out in all weathers and was probably more seaworthy than most of the larger power boats who were kept at home by the rough seas. They often complained also of the lack of good fishing. John would never take much from the sea and gave most of his catch away to older people and others about town. A couple of times, John went out to tow in flasher boats that had broken down. He never said much and never responded when people scoffed at his boat. He was a much better seaman and fisherman than they, regardless of the monetary worth of their boats. Another boat I met several times when we lived aboard at Westhaven Marina in Auckland, New Zealand. It was built after WWII of timbers that the then owner had managed to scavenge. It was about 28 feet in length and had rigging made of plow steel, spliced with a a Liverpool splice and parceled. The inside was barren and in need of furniture there being only two perfunctionary berths. The only things on that boat that were less than 40 years old were the owner's sea boots. He was a bricklayer who lived and worked on Great Barrier Island, a day's sail northeast of Auckland. In essence, the little sailboat was his car. As the vessel was not fitted with any engine, he had become a proficient sailor and would sail to the marina mouth, turn port 90 degrees into the channel, starboard 90 degrees, then port 90 again and finally another port 90 to gently brush against the pontoon of thefinger berth. All of this under sail by himself. I doubt that I would ever be able to perform this manouvre, if I ever had to. As we usually anchor out, I have to suppress feelings of panic upon entering marinas. What was most interesting to see was that everyone's eyes were turned to watch this little rough boat coming in. Nobody said anything but watched in silent appreciation of the skill displayed. People vied to take his docklines, people whose boats were worth half a million dollars. He never said much either, even though many of the onlookers tried to engage him in conversation. We were fortunate that his berth was along from ours and we would often have him to dinner with before he set off back to the island. In writing of these two boats, several other boats and their owners have come to mind. One left a lasting impression upon my family. We were anchored by ourselves overnight near the Ranger Station on Rinja Island in Indonesia, one of the two islands that are home to the giant Komodo Dragons. Early that morning, my wife went on deck in response to a gentle knock on the hull and was presented with a 15 inch long, freshly caught fish by a small old man in an outrigger canoe about 12 to 14 feet in length. At one end of the canoe was a small broken pot on some stones where he cooked his meals. Drying in the sun were a few three and four inch long trepang or sea slugs that he had dived for and that he would later sell to the traders for a few cents - the basis of his living. He had home made diving goggles carved from wood with plastic inserts and a piece of string to hold them on his head. His only protection from the elements was one of those ubiquitous blue plastic tarpaulins folded neatly in the bow along with a cheap woven plastic prayer mat. My wife told him to wait for her to get some money but he smiled, waved and slowly paddled off. We spoke to the rangers of him later that morning and found that what we saw about him was all that he owned in the world. Cooking and eating that fish for dinner was somewhat of a religious experience. That simple man, who had made a present to those who had far more than he, taught us a valuable lesson and made a great impact on the lives of the three of us. My son, who was 9 at the time, still remembers him. We couldn't give him money - it would have been an insult; so we later sought him out and gave him some clothes, a diving mask and some flippers as well as a few other items of little real value to us. If there is one thing I have learned, it is that one should never ridicule other people's choice of boat any more than one should ridicule their occupation, station in life or choice of spouse. Cheers Peter Hendra (I do go on - don't I? Blame it on the Greek blood). |
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![]() Wilbur Hubbard wrote: "Vic Smith" wrote in message ... Right. I'm not going to do an impulse buy. That's excellent that you're taking your time and doing it right. There's one moron around here by the name of JimC who claims he's a lawyer. He ran out on an impulse and bought a Mac26M and now is totally embarrassed about his uninformed entry-level purchase. It's like I'm sure people look at his boat and then find out he's a lawyer and they begin to wonder how lame is this guy. Lawyers who are worth a hoot make, what, about 500 dollars an hour so he ought to be able to afford a real boat and a classy boat at that. Anyhow, poor JimC spent probably a hundred hours posting things about how he was so happy with his purchase but you could tell he was not happy at all. Somebody who's happy with his boat doesn't spend hundreds of hours trying to convince himself how great it is. What's really sick is how Wilbur, and a few others, devote all that attention and time posting such garbage criticizing me and my boat. If he was really interested in sailing and really enjoying his own boat, he wouldn't be so interested in posting more sarcastic notes like that one. (Actually, once was enough for us to get your peculiar and biases re the Macs, Wilbur.) - Why do you go on and on on this subject? It suggests that you have some other motive, of course. - Are you jealous that I'm out sailing and enjoying my boat after you have posted all those notes explaining why I shouldn't enjoy sailing it? It's obvious that Wilbur has some personal problems and is in need of professional help. - No normal adult would get his jollies posting such childish, personal attacks on a fellow sailor, over and over again. Jim |
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Peter Hendra wrote abunch of stuff:
For the love of Pete...Wilbur aka Neal Warren, sails or sailed a Coronado 27...mustard yellow..with a lavender and mauve interior...and you actually take anything he has to say seriosuly...both you and Jim need to chill out and either laugh off his posts or just plain ignore them (like I do until others repost his crap in their replies)... |
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On Mar 26, 10:28 pm, Peter Hendra wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:39:57 GMT, JimC wrote: Snip Cheers Peter Hendra (I do go on - don't I? Blame it on the Greek blood). Reminds me of my first boat; she was a little 30' troller, out of Charlston Oregon. An old converted log pond tug; she only had a foot of free board and a foot of keel. the Fella I bought her from started fishing as a boy in 1919 and his boats had always been rigged like he learned to fish. the Terry L had hand gurdies running tuna cord and cotton spreads. the boat he got to replace the Terry L was almost 100 years old and 22 foot double ender he set it up the same way. every day this 80 year old would be on his boat at 4:30 in the morning. all the young fishermen laughed at him heading out the jaws at 5 knots for a day of fishing. what they didnt see was his daily catch. I had to learn how to use the gear on my boat; so i went fishing as his hand for a couple years. this man never came to port with less than a hold full of fish. The Argus would never win a beauty contest but she sure could fish. |
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On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:28:17 +1000, Peter Hendra
wrote: If there is one thing I have learned, it is that one should never ridicule other people's choice of boat any more than one should ridicule their occupation, station in life or choice of spouse. Thank you for writing of your experiences here. It is educational, to say the least. --Vic |
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Dog gone Katie... that was kind of a cold hearted admonishment
of Mr. Hendra's post much less Jim Cate. Excluding Jim of course... it could well be that Mr. Hendra is not up to speed and familiar with the infamous Captain Neal and his literary escapades (much less alias) via these news groups. For the record... I myself found Peter Hendra's post a very inter- esting readindeed... and thank him for sharing. Bill Channel Islands Harbor Oxnard, California |
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And Vic...
If you still have a lingering interest in the MacGregor 26 boats... and as others have suggested... check out this web site: http://macgregorsailors.com It is a moderated forum... with about 1800 registered users... and very active concerning the MacGregor product... mostly the good... but the bad and ugly as well. (smile) And yeh... I am an owner as well... and you are more than wel- come to email me direct. The email address that is shown... is for real. I have made it personal policy not to discuss the attributes as well as the shortcomings of this boat on public forums... for obvious rea- sons. Jim Cate is the only one that I am aware of that has the guts to do so. heh heh Best regards to all... Bill Anacapa Isle Marina Channel Islands Harbor Oxnard, California |
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