Do whatever it takes ( pay ransom?) to get the sailors out
and
then NUKE THAT FREAKING PLACE TO HELL !!!!!!!!!


SBV
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On Mar 29, 9:37 am, "Scotty" w@u wrote:
Nuke em all!

I rather see their leader Amadajahitler arrested when he
visits NYC
soon.
He was a member of the revolutionary guards that took the
recent
hostages BTW.

How Britons were conned by Iranian gunboat trick

The speed and cunning shown by the Revolutionary Guards
suggests that
their action was premeditatedDominic Kennedy
The British sailors and marines being held by Iran were
ambushed at
their most vulnerable moment, while climbing down the
ladder of a
merchant ship and trying to get into their bobbing
inflatables.

Out of sight of their warship and without any helicopter
cover, their
only link to their commanders was a communications device
beaming
their position by satellite.

That went dead as they were captured. One theory is that
it was thrown
overboard to prevent the Iranians getting hold of the
equipment and
the information it contained.

The Ministry of Defence released the coordinates of the
searched
vessel yesterday to prove that the Iranian Revolutionary
Guards made
an unprovoked and improper attack in Iraqi waters.

The Iranians also blundered in diplomatic talks by giving
the British
their own compass reference for the place where they said
the 14 men
and one woman had been seized. When Britain plotted these
on a map and
pointed out that the spot was in Iraq's maritime area, the
Iranians
came up with a new set of coordinates, putting the seizure
in their
own waters.

The speed and cunning shown by the Revolutionary Guards
has raised
suspicions that their action was premeditated. A senior
military
officer described it as "deliberate".

It took only three minutes for the Iranians, moving at 40
knots, to
move from their legitimate positions monitoring shipping
in their
waters to come alongside the British last Friday morning.

The sailors and marines from HMS Cornwall were in the
Gulf, working
under a United Nations mandate to protect Iraq from
smuggling and
threats to the oil industry, when an Indian-flagged vessel
came under
suspicion.

It was in shallow waters and the Cornwall was unable to go
alongside
without grounding. A boarding party jumped into two ribbed
inflatable
boats, or RIBs, and set out to investigate.

A helicopter hovered to observe the boarding but, after
confirming
that the Indian vessel was peaceful and friendly, returned
to the
ship. The Cornwall stayed in contact with the two launch
boats via a
communications link providing a GPS satellite position.

After the successful boarding of the innocent Indian
vessel, the
Britons began returning to their RIBs. At that moment one
Iranian
patrol vessel came alongside, adopting a friendly posture.
As a second
Iranian vessel arrived, the Revolutionary Guards turned
aggressive.

HMS Cornwalllost communications with the launch boats and
sent up the
helicopter to investigate. The air crew watched as the
small British
inflatables were forced towards Iran. By now, up to four
Iranian
Revolutionary Guard vessels were swarming round the
Britons.

Although the seizure has been widely linked to the taking
of five
Iranians by US forces in Iraq, Iranian diplomats have
ruled this out.
They say that there is no relation between the Britons'
seizure and
any other bilateral, regional or international issue.

From the start, the Iranian Ambassador to London gave
British
diplomats a set of coordinates for the location of the
confrontation.

Margaret Beckett, the Foreign Secretary, told the Iranian
Foreign
Minister that these compass points actually indicated a
spot clearly
in Iraqi waters. She tried to give Iran an exit route by
suggesting
that it might all be a misunderstanding that could be
resolved by an
immediate release of the captives.

On Sunday, the helicopter from HMS Cornwall flew back over
the Indian
vessel, which was still anchored and had drifted only
slightly. A
photograph was taken of an airman holding a GPS device.
The
coordinates on this picture, the MoD insists, prove that
the Britons
were comfortably within Iraqi waters when captured.

On Monday, Iran surprised Britain by coming up with a
"corrected" set
of coordinates. "The two Iranian positions are just under
a nautical
mile apart, 1,800 yards or so," Vice-Admiral Charles
Style, a Deputy
Chief of the Defence Staff, said yesterday.

Mrs Beckett told the Iranian Foreign Minister that she
could not
accept the Iranians' version of events. She told MPs in
the House of
Commons that it was "impossible to believe, given the
seriousness of
the incident, that the Iranians could have made such a
mistake with
the original coordinates, which after all they gave us
over several
days".



Outgunned

- The two Iranian patrol ships that seized the Britons
were equipped
with rocket-propelled grenades and heavy machine guns,
enough for a
small sea battle. By contrast, the Britons go lightly
armed on vessels
they search in the Gulf. Each man is issued with a rifle
or a pistol

- The Iranians struck at a vulnerable moment when the
Britons were
climbing down a ladder to jump into their inflatables

- The Royal Navy does train its men in the techniques
needed to fight
at just such a dangerous stage. "They had all the rights
available to
act in self-defence under law," a senior military officer
said. But
they were in an "almost impossible position"

- A similar decision to hold fire was taken by the six
Royal Marines
and two sailors captured by Iran in 2004 in similar
circumstances.
Scott Fallon, a former marine, said they did think about
shooting
their way free but knew it would be hopeless. He told BBC
Radio 4:
"They had antiaircraft guns. We would have stood no
chance"





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On Mar 28, 9:06 pm, "Scotty" w@u wrote:
I can't think of one good reason why she would stay.

loyality, honor, to be an example to others in the
military. Not
accepting special treatment is key to a team.
.
Not that she has a choice, as Katy said in the muzz
eye...she is not
worth anything.

Same thing happened in 1979, they let the women go,
but
held the men
for 444 days.

I just heard the Iranians want the British to admit
they
were in
Iranian waters and this can end soon.
I bet they do....then they can chop off some heads for
trespassing.

Joe

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The hostage takers in Iran are now saying they are
going
to let the
female sailor go free today or tomorrow after they
parade
them on TV.

If she has a choice.

Should she stay, or should she go. ?

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"Scotty" w@u wrote in message
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Nuke em all!

Then drill through the glass to the oil. g


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Those hostages should turn things around on the Iranian sand monkeys. First
they should beat each others faces so they can't be shown on tv. They should
not eat at all and attempt to kill themselves. This all will make the
Iranian acne monsters look bad as if they were the abusers. They should make
as much trouble as possible so they Iranian dune fools will plead with the
Brits to take them back.

BTW I just fought my way off of Netkkkop. hahaha!!

Lloyd

Lloyd Bonafide wrote:
Those hostages should turn things around on the Iranian sand monkeys. First
they should beat each others faces so they can't be shown on tv. They should
not eat at all and attempt to kill themselves. This all will make the
Iranian acne monsters look bad as if they were the abusers. They should make
as much trouble as possible so they Iranian dune fools will plead with the
Brits to take them back.

BTW I just fought my way off of Netkkkop. hahaha!!

Lloyd


Right...compound the issue with lies....great idea....you're a real piece...

"katy" wrote in message
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Lloyd Bonafide wrote:
Those hostages should turn things around on the Iranian sand monkeys.
First they should beat each others faces so they can't be shown on tv.
They should not eat at all and attempt to kill themselves. This all will
make the Iranian acne monsters look bad as if they were the abusers. They
should make as much trouble as possible so they Iranian dune fools will
plead with the Brits to take them back.

BTW I just fought my way off of Netkkkop. hahaha!!

Lloyd
Right...compound the issue with lies....great idea....you're a real
piece...

http://www.nwc.navy.mil/press/Review...r/art9-w98.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Stockdale

"He was held as a prisoner of war in the Hoa Lo prison for the next seven
years. Locked in leg irons in a bath stall, he was routinely tortured and
beaten. When told by his captors that he was to be paraded in public,
Stockdale slit his scalp with a razor to purposely disfigure himself so that
his captors could not use him as propaganda. When they covered his head with
a hat, Stockdale beat himself with a stool until his face was swollen beyond
recognition. He told them in no uncertain terms that they would never use
him. When Stockdale heard that other prisoners were dying under the torture,
he slit his wrists and told them that he preferred death to submission.

Little did Stockdale know that the actions of his wife, Mrs. Sybil
Stockdale, had a tremendous impact on how the North Vietnamese reacted to
these acts of self-mutilation in 1969. Early in her husband's captivity she
organized The League of American Families of POW's and MIA's, with other
wives of servicemen who were in similar circumstance. By 1968 she and her
organization, which called for the President and the U.S. Congress to
publicly acknowledge the mistreatment of the POW's (something that they had
never done even though they had evidence of gross mistreatment), was finally
getting the attention of the American press and consequently the attention
of the North Vietnamese. Mrs. Stockdale personally made these demands known
at The Paris Peace Talks and private comments made to her by the head of the
Vietnamese delegation there indicated concern that her organization might
catch the attention of the American public, something the North Vietnamese
knew could turn the tide against them. The result couldn't have been more
fortunate for James Stockdale at the very time he slit his wrists. The
Vietnamese now understood that they had no choice but to end their program
of brutal torture or else they would be exposed internationally for their
gross acts of cruelty, something that would completely derail their
propaganda program which had so successfully convinced the American press
and public that the prisoners were well treated."

On Mar 29, 1:19 pm, "Lloyd Bonafide" wrote:
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The
Vietnamese now understood that they had no choice but to end their program
of brutal torture or else they would be exposed internationally for their
gross acts of cruelty, something that would completely derail their
propaganda program which had so successfully convinced the American press
and public that the prisoners were well treated."


This Guy Lloyd ? http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Co..._6p.vsmall.jpg

What's that blue thing around his neck?

Was he Ross's VP?

Joe

"Joe" wrote in message
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On Mar 29, 1:19 pm, "Lloyd Bonafide" wrote:
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The
Vietnamese now understood that they had no choice but to end their
program
of brutal torture or else they would be exposed internationally for
their
gross acts of cruelty, something that would completely derail their
propaganda program which had so successfully convinced the American
press
and public that the prisoners were well treated."


This Guy Lloyd ?
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Co..._6p.vsmall.jpg

What's that blue thing around his neck?


Deputy sheriff badge? Citizen's auxiliary police bandana?

Wilbur Hubbard

"Lloyd Bonafide" wrote in message
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Those hostages should turn things around on the Iranian sand monkeys.
First they should beat each others faces so they can't be shown on tv.
They should not eat at all and attempt to kill themselves. This all
will make the Iranian acne monsters look bad as if they were the
abusers. They should make as much trouble as possible so they Iranian
dune fools will plead with the Brits to take them back.

BTW I just fought my way off of Netkkkop. hahaha!!

Did that Jonathan Ganz netKKKop you again? That man's a royal pain in
the behind. But, it might not have been him. Aioe has been tuning their
servers and were off for several days. They just returned yesterday. I'm
Ted Bell and I haven't been able to post either. (Theyr'e otta be a
law!) I thought maybe it was that scurvy fellow Ganz for a brief moment
but as proficient a netKKKop as he is, even he can't put an entire
server off-line. Speaking of servers. We have some fine specimens of
femininity serving great scrumptious steaks at Ted's of Beverly Hills
Steakhouse. Be sure to treat yourself to a mouth-watering extravaganza
if you find yourself visiting the home of the stars.

I'm Ted Bell!

"Ted Bell" wrote in message
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"Lloyd Bonafide" wrote in message
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Those hostages should turn things around on the Iranian sand monkeys.
First they should beat each others faces so they can't be shown on
tv. They should not eat at all and attempt to kill themselves. This
all will make the Iranian acne monsters look bad as if they were the
abusers. They should make as much trouble as possible so they Iranian
dune fools will plead with the Brits to take them back.

BTW I just fought my way off of Netkkkop. hahaha!!

Did that Jonathan Ganz netKKKop you again? That man's a royal pain in
the behind. But, it might not have been him. Aioe has been tuning
their servers and were off for several days. They just returned
yesterday. I'm Ted Bell and I haven't been able to post either.
(Theyr'e otta be a law!) I thought maybe it was that scurvy fellow
Ganz for a brief moment but as proficient a netKKKop as he is, even he
can't put an entire server off-line. Speaking of servers. We have some
fine specimens of femininity serving great scrumptious steaks at Ted's
of Beverly Hills Steakhouse. Be sure to treat yourself to a
mouth-watering extravaganza if you find yourself visiting the home of
the stars.

I'm Ted Bell!


Get a life.

Wilbur Hubbard