* Capt. Rob wrote, On 7/19/2007 9:00 AM:
In fact, there are many marinas that require you to remove the
boat during major storms, presumably putting it on a mooring!



Some folks do haul their boats at my club when a big blow is coming,
though only one sailboat does it. The others are pricey little
powerboats and they often do it because they won't come down to check
lines.
Other places see different conditions that require specific action.
But my point was really that folks like Scotty potty, who are dumb and
quick to make general comments, and disputing that slips can be
safer....are..well, dumb!

Yes, Scotty hooked you real good with that troll. You'll bite on
anything!

On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:00:05 -0000, "Capt. Rob"
wrote:

In fact, there are many marinas that require you to remove the
boat during major storms, presumably putting it on a mooring!



Some folks do haul their boats at my club when a big blow is coming,
though only one sailboat does it. The others are pricey little
powerboats and they often do it because they won't come down to check
lines.

Not done here, but then this is a year round in the water place.
Yards are for bottom maintenance, not enough room to haul everybody.
Plus, with a Katrina type storm, being hauled and remaining at waters
edge is of no benefit. The practice is to head down the Sound and
then into the back waters to your favorite hurricane hole. But,
depending on the marina location, that could end up being 20-30 miles.
Depending on mast height, must be done well in advance, cause once the
land exodus begins it's 200 miles of bumper to bumper and they ain't
going to open the bridges.

Frank


Other places see different conditions that require specific action.
But my point was really that folks like Scotty potty, who are dumb and
quick to make general comments, and disputing that slips can be
safer....are..well, dumb!


RB
35s5
NY

"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 03:21:16 -0000, "Capt. Rob" said:

FYI, Dave owns a very low end boat. In fact the company that built his
boat made some very good ones until his hit the market.

And as usual, BS displays his total ignorance.

The CS27 was the first of the CS line, designed by Ray Wall of Camper and
Nicholson. It's the smallest boat designed by that firm. In 1977, Wall
became CS's chief designer. His successful 27 was followed by the CS36
(1978) and CS33.

Of course anyone who has checked the price range of these boats knows that
if you can find one in the US it invariably goes for well above the prices
of low end mass produced boats like the Catalina. Prices currently on
YachtWorld range from $14,000 (Martin van Breen's painted 1978 that I've
seen and that's been in use as a sailing school and charter boat) to
$30,000
(a 1980 boat in the UK).


I generally liked the CS boats I looked at. None of them unfortunately were
in the sweet spot for me as far as price and upkeep went. I didn't mind
paying for a good quality boat; I did mind fixing what someone else hashed
up or didn't do that should have been done.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Once again, Jeff is the voice of reason and Bob is full of
****.

Scotty


"Jeff" wrote in message
...
There is certainly no doubt that there are advantages to
keeping a
boat in a slip. I've been willing to pay the premium for
the
convenience, even though we're gone more than half of the
summer. You
can always say that *some* slips are more protected, and
*some*
moorings are less protected. But one must be careful of
generalities.

In my experience, most marinas are well protected, but not
all. For
example, in Vineyard Haven I just spent some time on a
mooring behind
the breakwater feeling quite secure. In fact, I've sat
out several
gales and near miss hurricanes in that spot. The nearby
marinas,
however, are not protected and generally are emptied (to
unprotected
moorings!) when a Nor'easter blows up.

While some mooring fields feel like bumper ball, most have
generous
spacing and frankly, I've seen (and perhaps caused) more
damage from
sloppy boat handling in marinas than in mooring fields.
My boat only
has a few dings, but all have been caused in a marina.

Curiously, although it would seem that getting on and off
is riskier
on a mooring than on a dock, I, and my family members,
have had a
number of minor injuries on docks, but none from dinghy or
launch
incidents. I don't count my hurt pride from flipping the
dinghy once
in Northeast Harbor!

As for being "always able to get to your boat in the worst
weather,"
every time I've been in a marina for a hurricane, its been
closed -
they don't want the liability of idiots walking the docks
in 100 mph
winds! In fact, there are many marinas that require you
to remove the
boat during major storms, presumably putting it on a
mooring!



* Capt. Rob wrote, On 7/17/2007 10:45 AM:
Scotty crapped:

As for slips vs. moorings, slips can be a lot safer

TOTAL BULL ****!




No, Scotty Potty. It's not bull**** and once again you
show how little
you know. A lot of sailors like Scotty walk around
repeating
generalities they've heard without any practical
knowledge at all.
Folks like Scotty, Martin and Doug are perfect examples
of this
problem.
So here's why slips CAN BE SAFER than moorings.

1) Some moorings in high current zones take a lot of
abuse and simply
take to much pounding to be of value against a well
protected marina
with slips.

2) High traffic, high volume mooring fields see plenty
of collisions
due to operator error and boats breaking free and
playing pinball with
others.

3) If a protected marina (such as ours) never
experiences weather that
can damage it, the boats are better off than those
exposed on
moorings. Last years storms were a perfect example as
ALL of the boats
damaged were from moorings.

4) Boats in slips will see more regular maintenance due
to the
accessibility. Gear is kept cleaner. Safer boat.

5) In 25 knots winds a mooring field can be a handful
and transferring
to a dinghy or launch difficult and dangerous. Older
folks will be at
risk along with children. Our protected slips see about
half that much
wind on most days, so it's far easier and safer.

6) Slips are usually protected by one or more
breakwaters, leaving the
boats calm and not straining most of the time. Moored
boats see far
more wave action and lines, standing rigging and
steering systems take
a pounding.

7) You can ALWAYS get to your boat even in the worst
weather when you
have well designed and located slips like ours.

8) ALL lightening strikes in our area (and there are
plenty) are on
the boats that are moored.

So there you have it. This does not apply to all areas.
There are
plenty of spots where slips are downright risky and a
mooring is a lot
smarter, but on City Island, Port Washington and other
popular
sailboat spots, slips are like gold. I won't even get
into how much
more use we get out of the boat because of a slip, or
how much better
it is when Thomas' grandparents come along. And if
Suzanne and I want
privacy the club maintains moorings as well, which can
be used by
members. The best of both worlds.
One by one, when they could afford it, my friends have
moved to slips
and the mooring damage cycle has ended.


RB
35s5
NY

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com..
..
This is cogent statement laying out considerations of
mooring/anchoring versus slipping.




I don't think such a list exists. Area by area folks adapt
to weather
and of course the costs. The main reason why people use
moorings here
is to save money. A slip for a 30 foot sailboat is close
to 5K at my
club

your club?

Bwahahahahahaha

Yes, Scotty hooked you real good with that troll. You'll bite on
anything!


I love it when I start a thread/troll like this and then the entire
catch chants "we caught YOU!"
Hilarious!


RB
35s5
NY

* Capt. Rob wrote, On 7/19/2007 5:57 PM:
Yes, Scotty hooked you real good with that troll. You'll bite on
anything!


I love it when I start a thread/troll like this and then the entire
catch chants "we caught YOU!"
Hilarious!

Yup, its real funny. Scotty posted 3 or 4 words and that caused you
to write hundreds in response. And you look like even more of a
jackass for claiming a "victory"!

"Capt. **** Head" wrote in message
ups.com...
Yes, Scotty hooked you real good with that troll. You'll
bite on
anything!


I love it when I start a thread/troll like this and then
Scotty
turns it into his own little troll and catches ME!
Hilarious!



Yulp, pretty funny.