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On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 15:10:50 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

I would say that while I have a fairly diverse sailing CV, Doug probably
has
a more extensive one, as does Bart, and a couple of others. I don't have
long-term, deep water experience, at least not over a couple of weeks
worth
in one shot. I think I also have a fairly decent level of experience with
different makes and models. I think the best method of picking a boat to
own
is to sail lots of different boats. That's what I tell my students. It's
not
clear to me how much experience BS has in this regard because it's hard to
separate the BS from BS.

I'm not a big fan of pilot house boats... lots of windage and potential
for
losing portlights in bad conditions.


The Corbin, while a pilot house, doesn't really suffer from excess
windage as badly as the typical pilot house configuration. The
topsides are a little tall, but other than the small pilot house, the
rest of the boat is a flush deck. The pilot house is pretty much the
only thing that sticks up higher than the gunwhales. It's also got a
reputation as being a very tough boat. People cruise the high
latitudes with them.



Sounds like it's totally inappropriate for BS' day cruises.


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On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 16:06:26 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

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On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 15:10:50 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

I would say that while I have a fairly diverse sailing CV, Doug probably
has
a more extensive one, as does Bart, and a couple of others. I don't have
long-term, deep water experience, at least not over a couple of weeks
worth
in one shot. I think I also have a fairly decent level of experience with
different makes and models. I think the best method of picking a boat to
own
is to sail lots of different boats. That's what I tell my students. It's
not
clear to me how much experience BS has in this regard because it's hard to
separate the BS from BS.

I'm not a big fan of pilot house boats... lots of windage and potential
for
losing portlights in bad conditions.


The Corbin, while a pilot house, doesn't really suffer from excess
windage as badly as the typical pilot house configuration. The
topsides are a little tall, but other than the small pilot house, the
rest of the boat is a flush deck. The pilot house is pretty much the
only thing that sticks up higher than the gunwhales. It's also got a
reputation as being a very tough boat. People cruise the high
latitudes with them.



Sounds like it's totally inappropriate for BS' day cruises.

It really isn't meant as a daysailer at all. It would be quite a
handful to single hand, as well. What it was designed for, it does
very well. I can easily understand someone being attracted to it,
because it is a very nice and capable boat. I don't think Bob is going
to get one. I think he was just daydreaming out loud. He isn't really
going to have a use for a boat like that until Thomas is out on his
own. It's for crossing oceans, not sailing back and forth to Newport
once a year, and day trips the rest of the time.

On Oct 9, 7:11 pm, wrote:
On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 16:06:26 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:



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On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 15:10:50 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

I would say that while I have a fairly diverse sailing CV, Doug probably
has
a more extensive one, as does Bart, and a couple of others. I don't have
long-term, deep water experience, at least not over a couple of weeks
worth
in one shot. I think I also have a fairly decent level of experience with
different makes and models. I think the best method of picking a boat to
own
is to sail lots of different boats. That's what I tell my students. It's
not
clear to me how much experience BS has in this regard because it's hard to
separate the BS from BS.

I'm not a big fan of pilot house boats... lots of windage and potential
for
losing portlights in bad conditions.

The Corbin, while a pilot house, doesn't really suffer from excess
windage as badly as the typical pilot house configuration. The
topsides are a little tall, but other than the small pilot house, the
rest of the boat is a flush deck. The pilot house is pretty much the
only thing that sticks up higher than the gunwhales. It's also got a
reputation as being a very tough boat. People cruise the high
latitudes with them.

Sounds like it's totally inappropriate for BS' day cruises.

It really isn't meant as a daysailer at all. It would be quite a
handful to single hand, as well. What it was designed for, it does
very well. I can easily understand someone being attracted to it,
because it is a very nice and capable boat. I don't think Bob is going
to get one. I think he was just daydreaming out loud. He isn't really
going to have a use for a boat like that until Thomas is out on his
own. It's for crossing oceans, not sailing back and forth to Newport
once a year, and day trips the rest of the time.




Well, yes I WAS daydreaming to an extent. On the other hand few of use
our boats to anywhere near their potential. I mostly daysail my big
Beneteau and could easily be doing the same gig on a J27. On the other
hand I love my boat, and in fact just about ALL sailboats. A sailboat
is not only defined by how you use it. You can appreciate it on it's
own and enjoy it on many other levels. We had a fellow with an older
Valiant here for a while. He did not cruise any distances, just up and
down the sound. He waited for windy days to go for occasional day
sails. At other times he sat on his boat and worked on it and simply
loved it. That's as good an application for a boat as any and I have
enough self respect NOT to question how people enjoy the fruits of
their labor.
With that in mind my next boat will NOT be a the most practical
choice. I may choose a sea-boat like the Corbin because I find the
look and feel salty and charming. The extended sailing season and days
in the rain are also appealing via the pilothouse. Only a racer need
truly be concerned with making a "specific" pick. The coastal and
protected waters sailor can choose a boat on shear romance.
The Corbin IS high on my list.


RB

Capt. Rob wrote:


loved it. That's as good an application for a boat as any and I have
enough self respect NOT to question how people enjoy the fruits of
their labor.



Well, that's about the best laugh I've had in a week!!!!

Thanks so much Bob, you crack me up.

Cheers
Martin

On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 16:50:44 -0700 (PDT), "Capt. Rob"
wrote:

On Oct 9, 7:11 pm, wrote:


It really isn't meant as a daysailer at all. It would be quite a
handful to single hand, as well. What it was designed for, it does
very well. I can easily understand someone being attracted to it,
because it is a very nice and capable boat. I don't think Bob is going
to get one. I think he was just daydreaming out loud. He isn't really
going to have a use for a boat like that until Thomas is out on his
own. It's for crossing oceans, not sailing back and forth to Newport
once a year, and day trips the rest of the time.




Well, yes I WAS daydreaming to an extent. On the other hand few of use
our boats to anywhere near their potential. I mostly daysail my big
Beneteau and could easily be doing the same gig on a J27. On the other
hand I love my boat, and in fact just about ALL sailboats. A sailboat
is not only defined by how you use it. You can appreciate it on it's
own and enjoy it on many other levels. We had a fellow with an older
Valiant here for a while. He did not cruise any distances, just up and
down the sound. He waited for windy days to go for occasional day
sails. At other times he sat on his boat and worked on it and simply
loved it. That's as good an application for a boat as any and I have
enough self respect NOT to question how people enjoy the fruits of
their labor.
With that in mind my next boat will NOT be a the most practical
choice. I may choose a sea-boat like the Corbin because I find the
look and feel salty and charming. The extended sailing season and days
in the rain are also appealing via the pilothouse. Only a racer need
truly be concerned with making a "specific" pick. The coastal and
protected waters sailor can choose a boat on shear romance.
The Corbin IS high on my list.


RB


Uh, Bob. Your Beneteau is really not a "big" boat at all. In fact,
it's really what most would call a small 35. There are other 35's that
are subtantially bigger. The Corbin, by contrast is a very large 39.

Will you also being trading in your "big" EVO for a tri-axle dump
truck? LOL

On Oct 9, 8:10 pm, Marty wrote:
Capt. Rob wrote:

loved it. That's as good an application for a boat as any and I have
enough self respect NOT to question how people enjoy the fruits of
their labor.

Well, that's about the best laugh I've had in a week!!!!

Thanks so much Bob, you crack me up.

Cheers
Martin




Martin, you really can't act like an adult, even for a moment, can
you?



RB

Uh, Bob. Your Beneteau is really not a "big" boat at all. In fact,
it's really what most would call a small 35. There are other 35's that
are subtantially bigger. The Corbin, by contrast is a very large 39



35 foot is big for DAYAILING, which was the point of the comment. Read
it again. And on the LIS sound, sailboats average 30 feet, which is
ideal.
The Corbin is certainly not large below decks unless you buy the aft
cabin version and even that is nowhere near a Catalina or Beneteau
sized interior.


RB

Capt. Rob wrote:
On Oct 9, 8:10 pm, Marty wrote:
Capt. Rob wrote:

loved it. That's as good an application for a boat as any and I have
enough self respect NOT to question how people enjoy the fruits of
their labor.
Well, that's about the best laugh I've had in a week!!!!

Thanks so much Bob, you crack me up.

Cheers
Martin




Martin, you really can't act like an adult, even for a moment, can
you?


Not a problem, when in the presence of same.

Cheers
Martin

"jlrogers±³©" wrote:
I know RB, Marty, Oz, Doug, Ringmaster, JG and others have enough knowledge
to discuss boats intelligently. *It is a shame there isn't more of it.

Now he wants intelligent discussion!

Oops, too late!!

Well, at least some of us aren't obsessed with yakking endlessly about
the new toys daddy bought for us.

DSK

wrote:
Actually, none of us can offer advice outside of our experience.


Sure we can... or at least, I can and it looks like a few others do it
very enthusastically.

.... RB
sails
within a mile of his marina with a "family" crew. Oz, as far as I
can see,
races single class boats.

Looks to me like Oz has raced a lot of different class boats, done
some ocean racing (IIRC he's done the Sydney-Hobart) and cruisers in
various parts of the world. AFAIK he talks (posts) about it with
enough accurate detail that he's not BSing.


....Doug, seems to be a racer of "20
something"
foot yachts.

No, I've raced a lot of smaller ones.... once in a while a bigger one.
And I've definitely spent more time underway cruising or daysailing
than racing, but it's not as interesting to talk about IMHO.


Likewise, Ringmaster races a particular boat.

JG, probably has as much general expereince as any of
us.


And Bart has quite a bit more yet.


My experience is mainly based on a single boat. Fortunately,
I seem to have made the right choice.

Maybe you have a knack for it?



As I see it, you have two choices.
1) Go for your ultimate boat!
2) Buy something "safe" so that you can learn
about your real requirements.

My advice is to take choice 2).


Not sure I get what you're saying. Don't buy the boat you really
really want, that will do the tasks you really want to undertake? That
sounds like the safest course to me, rather than buying something
smaller & cheaper & less suitable, just to gain experience... at a
large cost in dollars & time!

I'm not old enough to buy an "ultimate" boat, I've always picked out
boats that would suit what I wanted to do... and were suitable for the
places I lived & sailed at the time. For example, my current ride was
largely chosen for the benefit of being kept on a trailer, out of the
water; with the concurrent benefit of shoal draft. There really wasn't
anything like I *really* wanted on the market, although a bunch of
boats came closer... now I'm thinking about either building a custom
sportboat (which is insane) or buying a Flying Tiger 7.5 (when they
finally get here). We're also keeping the tugboat for cruising, so we
don't need a sailboat to answer that need. Which makes it easy!



However, when I bought my boat I took option
1). It worked for me.

I think that it all depends on how confident you
feel about your ability to define your own ultimate
yacht.


Agreed. I'm puzzled why you don't think anybody else can pick option 1
as well.


"Capt. JG" wrote:
I would say that while I have a fairly diverse sailing CV, Doug probably has
a more extensive one, as does Bart, and a couple of others. I don't have
long-term, deep water experience, at least not over a couple of weeks worth
in one shot. I think I also have a fairly decent level of experience with
different makes and models. I think the best method of picking a boat to own
is to sail lots of different boats. That's what I tell my students.

And it's good advice... also a good way to pick up a 'feel' for the
charactistics of different types of boats.


It's not
clear to me how much experience BS has in this regard because it's hard to
separate the BS from BS.


It's all one mass, IMHO

I'm not a big fan of pilot house boats... lots of windage and potential for
losing portlights in bad conditions.


It all depends. Mast & rigging cause more windage than a pilothouse.
With good construction & modern materials, big ports can be as strong
as any other part of the hull or superstructure. A bigger factor IMHO
is handling, deck layout for all the tasks cruisers have to do
including access to/from the water (or dinghy), and how really
comfortable the boat will be away from it's support base.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King