On Oct 10, 6:13 pm, Marty wrote:
Capt. Rob wrote:

Of course Gayanzy is jealous. The only time he's seen a woman's
genitalia was when he was born. Not that he's wanted to since!

Ooh, wow, a monumentally mature riposte, worthy of a 12 year old, and
not a very bright one at that.

Now Bob, remind me, who was it made some comment about being an adult?

Martin



The difference, my dear Marty, is that at least I can act mature and
talk about boats as I please. On the other hand where are your
contributions to this thread that show any maturity? The thread is
sailing oriented and some people have sensible and worthwhile
comments. You are just one of the people trolling it.
Now add all the "LOL" you want, but that's the truth.


RB

On Oct 10, 7:43 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Marty" wrote in message

...

Capt. Rob wrote:

Of course Gayanzy is jealous. The only time he's seen a woman's
genitalia was when he was born. Not that he's wanted to since!

Ooh, wow, a monumentally mature riposte, worthy of a 12 year old, and not
a very bright one at that.

Now Bob, remind me, who was it made some comment about being an adult?

Martin

Don't beat up on BS. He's got his share of problems, which are quite
obvious.



Yea, like the problem of asking three different members to MEET with
Gayanzy, and then when they had no "interest" in him he gets mad and
reports to their ISPs.
That's a fact, folks.


RB

Capt. Rob wrote:
On Oct 10, 6:13 pm, Marty wrote:
Capt. Rob wrote:

Of course Gayanzy is jealous. The only time he's seen a woman's
genitalia was when he was born. Not that he's wanted to since!
Ooh, wow, a monumentally mature riposte, worthy of a 12 year old, and
not a very bright one at that.

Now Bob, remind me, who was it made some comment about being an adult?

Martin



The difference, my dear Marty, is that at least I can act mature and
talk about boats as I please.

Wrong on both counts.

On the other hand where are your
contributions to this thread that show any maturity?

One would have to have a modicum of maturity to recognize them.
The thread is
sailing oriented and some people have sensible and worthwhile
comments. You are just one of the people trolling it.

That's rich, coming from you.


Now add all the "LOL" you want, but that's the truth.

Only in the Matrix.

Cheers
Martin


RB

On Oct 11, 4:15 pm, Marty wrote:
Capt. Rob wrote:
On Oct 10, 6:13 pm, Marty wrote:
Capt. Rob wrote:

Of course Gayanzy is jealous. The only time he's seen a woman's
genitalia was when he was born. Not that he's wanted to since!
Ooh, wow, a monumentally mature riposte, worthy of a 12 year old, and
not a very bright one at that.

Now Bob, remind me, who was it made some comment about being an adult?

Martin

The difference, my dear Marty, is that at least I can act mature and
talk about boats as I please.

Wrong on both counts.

On the other hand where are your

contributions to this thread that show any maturity?

One would have to have a modicum of maturity to recognize them.
The thread is

sailing oriented and some people have sensible and worthwhile
comments. You are just one of the people trolling it.

That's rich, coming from you.



"coming from me" or not, the fact remains that sailing discussions are
going on and all you're doing is trolling them.


RB

On Oct 11, 1:25*am, Ringmaster wrote:
Doug, Not sure but I think they had a unfinished Flying Tiger 7.5 at
the show. *The boat I saw that looked like a 7.5 *was in the water but
had no rig, hatches, deck hardware etc. *No rep was there so I'm not
sure. *Looked like it would be a hoot. *I checked out the new Andrews
28 and it looked like a winner.

I've been following the Flying Tiger story at "Sailing Anarchy" and
they've got the first FT 7.5 sailing, they said they couldn't get it
to Annapolis. Maybe they did!
I'm going to be looking for a good chance to check them out this
spring. It looks a lot better for what I want than the Melges 20 and
cheaper too.

I rejected a 2nd-hand Rocket 22, built by the same people who are
building the Andrews 28. Man they do a great job. The biggest problem
with the Rocket is the lack of keel crane and no shallow-water
capability (common to most sportboats, though) and the guy trying to
sell it was a major-league dick. It's a really cool boat, deserves to
be a popular class.

So, are you thinking Andrews 28 instead of Annapolis 30? It could be a
few more years before the A30 makes a real-life appearance!

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

So, are you thinking Andrews 28 instead of Annapolis 30? It could be a
few more years before the A30 makes a real-life appearance!

Fresh Breezes- Doug King


No I'm still happy with my current ride. So much so that I have a new
carbon spin pole arriving this week. Plus I'd never buy a new boat.

Here is the boat that I thought might be the new little Flying Tiger.
After seeing the photo (different perspective) I don't think it is.
http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/ind...=post&id=85799

So, are you thinking Andrews 28 instead of Annapolis 30? It could be a
few more years before the A30 makes a real-life appearance!




Ringmaster wrote:
No I'm still happy with my current ride. *So much so that I have a new
carbon spin pole arriving this week. * Plus I'd never buy a new boat.

Yeah, I'm not enthusiastic about throwing money into that 50% drive-it-
off-the-lot depreciation, either. I've only ever bought one new boat,
it worked out OK but certainly wasn't LESS work to get it up to snuff
as any 2nd-hand boat I've ever had. OTOH some builders are
different... a good friend of mine bought a brand-new Nickels
Lightning back in the '90s, had it delivered to a regatta. The Nickels
van & boat arrived that Friday night, they set the boat up & tuned the
rig, he sailed it the next morning taking some silver... said it was
perfect from the git-go.

There are a few Flying Tiger 10s showing up on the 2nd hand market
already. It might not be that long a of a wait for one of the little
ones to come up for sale.

Last winter I spent some time hunting around among the sportboats on
the market... seems like about $25k is the lowest the Melges 24 guys
will take, and the older boats are clapped-out junkers. A brand-new
boat doesn't sound that bad in comparison!

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

On 10 Oct, 17:43, wrote:
wrote:
Actually, none of us can offer advice outside of our experience.

Sure we can... or at least, I can and it looks like a few others do it
very enthusastically.

.... RB
sails
within a mile of his marina with a "family" crew. Oz, as far as I
can see,
races single class boats.

Looks to me like Oz has raced a lot of different class boats, done
some ocean racing (IIRC he's done the Sydney-Hobart) and cruisers in
various parts of the world. AFAIK he talks (posts) about it with
enough accurate detail that he's not BSing.

I may well be wrong about Oz's experience. However, I don't
feel that he has ever given advice that wasn't based on
personal experience. In other words, I have confidence
in his advice.




....Doug, seems to be a racer of "20
something"
foot yachts.

No, I've raced a lot of smaller ones.... once in a while a bigger one.
And I've definitely spent more time underway cruising or daysailing
than racing, but it's not as interesting to talk about IMHO.


Like Oz, I get the feeling that you don't give advice on subjects
that you kow little about.



Likewise, Ringmaster races a particular boat.

JG, probably has as much general expereince as any of
us.

And Bart has quite a bit more yet.

Yes. When he sailed on Setanta, he said that it was the
82'nd type of boat that he had sailed on. He has had two or three
more
since. So he is well on the way to 100!!

I guess that I have sailed on about 15 different models.



My experience is mainly based on a single boat. Fortunately,
I seem to have made the right choice.

Maybe you have a knack for it?

heh heh
Yes and No!

I was lucky enough to belong to a club that had a real
ethos of giving "experience" to its members. I managed
6, or 8 Channel crossings in different boats before I bought
my boat. When I went to buy the boat, I took two of the
club's most experienced sailors to help me spec it. I only
overruled them on one item. They said that I should go for
the aluminium toerail. I went for the pretty teak toerail. I
was wrong!




As I see it, you have two choices.
1) Go for your ultimate boat!
2) Buy something "safe" so that you can learn
about your real requirements.

My advice is to take choice 2).

Not sure I get what you're saying. Don't buy the boat you really
really want, that will do the tasks you really want to undertake? That
sounds like the safest course to me, rather than buying something
smaller & cheaper & less suitable, just to gain experience... at a
large cost in dollars & time!

It really depends on how sure JL is about what he wants.
I was fairly confident, and history has not proved me wrong.
However, I can see that it could easily have gone the other way.

A mistake could prove expensive. For this reason, I think
that JL should "dip his foot in the water".


Regards


Donal
--

And Bart has quite a bit more yet.


wrote:
Yes. *When he sailed on Setanta, he said that it was the
82'nd type of boat that he had sailed on. *He has had two or three
more
since. * So he is well on the way to 100!!

I guess that I have sailed on about 15 different models.


I haven't kept track, but it is interesting to compare the different
characterisitics of different types of boats. And little things can
make a difference in "cruisability" like handholds around the
companionway or good place to hang a wet jacket. Little things can be
modified & changed (to some extent) too.



My experience is mainly based on a single boat. *Fortunately,
I seem to have made the right choice.

Maybe you have a knack for it?

heh heh
Yes and No!

I was lucky enough to belong to a club that had a real
ethos of giving "experience" to its members. *I managed
6, or 8 Channel crossings in different boats before I bought
my boat. *

That sounds great, and obviously gave you a good basis for choice... I
think JL is on a similar path with taking lessons, chartering, and
(hopefully) delivering & crewing, before committing to purchase.


...When I went to buy the boat, *I took two of the
club's most experienced sailors to help me spec it. *I only
overruled them on one item. *They said that I should go for
the aluminium toerail. *I went for the pretty teak toerail. *I
was wrong!


Pretty = good
I just spent a few days working on our varnish.. yes it's a PITA, yes
it's worth it IMHO

Fresh Breezes- Doug King