I'm interested in making a stitch and glue sailboat (maybe the Bateau.com
Caravelle,
or something similar). Does anyone have recommendations on books to learn
how
to do stitch and glue boatbuilding? I saw "Devlin's Boatbuilding", and I
thought that
looked good; has anyone seen Sam Devlin's "Wooden Boatbuilding" video?

I'm also interested in books on how to do the rigging and make sails, but
the boat-
building book is more important at this point -- it'll probably be a while
before I
need to rig my boat. :-)

Thank you!
Bryan

Bryan,
See what your local library has. NOT just on THEIR shelves, but for the
entire 'system'. {I think most library catalogs are computerized these days.
When you view the screen, select 'System Availability' }

Read a LOT of books. It's surprising what YOU can accumulate to develop YOUR
'style'. I really don't think *any* SNG boat is *entirely* SNG; to make it
come out 'fair' sometimes you need a combination of techniques.

Things range from the 'quick & dirty' style of George Buehler {'Buehler's
Backyard Boatbuilding'} to the 'classical' elegance of John Gardner
{'Building Classic Small Craft'}. An EXCELLENT 'primer' is 'Building the New
Instant Boats' by 'Dynamite' Payson. An 'easy read' with plans for ACTUAL
boats, plus a chapter on making a model - first - then building the
full-sized boat.

A VERY good technique, by the way. What I typically do is go to my local
'Kinko's ' and make TWO full-sized copies of my ORIGINAL plans. One 'set' is
glued to posterboard or 1/8 in hardboard. It is then cut out & assembled
into a 'quick & dirty' model. This gives me an idea of how everything will
'go together', and where I might need a different assembly technique, more
clamps, an extra cleat, etc. A 'modern-day' refinement of the 'traditional'
technique of making a hand-carved model of the hull form, then taking the
'lines off' to loft a full sized plan. The other goes into the shop with me
{I NEVER take the 'master' plan, 'into harm's way'}.

Regards & Good Luck,
Ron Magen
Backyard Boatshop

"Bryan Hilterbrand" wrote in
message ...
I'm interested in making a stitch and glue sailboat (maybe the Bateau.com
Caravelle,
or something similar). Does anyone have recommendations on books to learn
how
to do stitch and glue boatbuilding? I saw "Devlin's Boatbuilding", and I
thought that
looked good; has anyone seen Sam Devlin's "Wooden Boatbuilding" video?

I'm also interested in books on how to do the rigging and make sails, but
the boat-
building book is more important at this point -- it'll probably be a while
before I
need to rig my boat. :-)

Thank you!
Bryan

"Ron Magen" wrote in message
...
Bryan,
See what your local library has. NOT just on THEIR shelves, but for the
entire 'system'. {I think most library catalogs are computerized these
days.
When you view the screen, select 'System Availability' }

Read a LOT of books. It's surprising what YOU can accumulate to develop
YOUR
'style'. I really don't think *any* SNG boat is *entirely* SNG; to make it
come out 'fair' sometimes you need a combination of techniques.

Thanks for all the great advice, Ron! That's the kind of information I need
right now -- I'm so new to this that it took me a couple of minutes to
figure
out what SNG is (stitch 'n glue). I suppose that acronym is better than
SAG. ;-)

I'll be headed down to the library later to check some books out. Do you
have any favorite plans to make a stable, family daysailor?

Thanks again,
Bryan

"Al" wrote in message
...
Read a LOT of books. It's surprising what YOU can accumulate to develop
YOUR
'style'. I really don't think *any* SNG boat is *entirely* SNG; to make
it
come out 'fair' sometimes you need a combination of techniques.

Very good point, in the same vein, spend some time using the net to see
how
other people are building their boats, you'll learn a surprising amount
from
the net as you find the websites. I'd hand you my list of bookmarks had
it
not gone west with an OS. Duckworks used to be a good place to start (may
still be if the boatindex is still free), but I object to paying to see
something that somebody hasn't been paid to produce. simplicityboats.com
(I
think) may not be directly relevant, but it has links which may well prove
useful to you. You'll find most decent boatbuilding websites are linked
to
all the other (non-commercial) decent boatbuilding websites.

Al,

Thanks for the information! I've found some of the sites on the
internet, but I know there are more out there. So far, I've mostly
found the "plans for sale" type sites, but I did find this one that I
found interesting: http://home.earthlink.net/~swier/bbfile1.html

If you can think of any other sites, please send them to me!

Bryan

Bryan,
Thanks for the kind words.

FWIW -
"First Build" . . . "stable" . . . "Family daysailer". You have 3
objectives here. However you might want to add another 'criteria' - "fairly
rapid & inexpensive to build".

A boat that would fit your first three points would be something on the
order of Stevenson Projects "Pocket Cruiser/ Motor Sailer. HOWEVER, this
boat is neither 'simple' nor 'quick' {relatively speaking}to build. [at the
cost of the plans -$20 in 1999 - it is something nice to get, even if you
just hang them on the wall for 'day dreaming' purposes]

What I would suggest - which will allow you to achieve 75-95% of what you
want, in stages - is Phil Bolger's "Rubens Nymph". Chapter 6 in Payson's
book is devoted to building the 'Nymph'. The reason I recommend the 'Rubens'
version - it's a FOOT WIDER in the beam and hence, more stable. {I build one
for a gentleman who's wife had one of those illnesses that effected her
balance & ability to move}.

She is fairly easy to build an will work as a nice 'teaching tool'. The
materials are relatively inexpensive {YOU can decide to make her a
'workboat' or a 'Gold-Plater' as you go along}. Start by building the
'Rowing' version. This will get you started and out on the water. {'Desire'
has a habit of waning when the 'family' looses interest because 'it' is
taking too long.} Because she uses a 'Leeboard' {think about two - leave
them in place, rather than switching on tacking - one less thing for a
beginner to worry about}, you won't have to get involved with a 'centerboard
trunk' or piercing the hull. Therefore, you can build them, and the rudder,
and the mast & 'partners', later, as you get a feel for the boat. And IF you
want to continue on 'this' project. You STILL have to buy, or
'sew-it-yourself', a SAIL{actually the BIGGEST cost factor item}.

As far as 'family daysailer' is concerned, it depends on the 'family' . . .
she is ONLY about 8 ft long. I would say TWO people, at most. I would STILL
suggest building a 'Nymph' or 'Rubens Nymph' at first. However, you might
want to look at Jacques Mertens, 'Caravelle' - another 'pram-type' hull form
{www.bateau.com}, or Bolger's 12 foot version of the famous 'Beetle Cat' -
his "Bob Cat" . . . "Build the Instant Catboat" by 'Dynamite' Payson.

Please feel free to drop me a line if you want to discuss this in more
detail.

Regards,
Ron Magen
Backyard Boatshop

"Bryan Hilterbrand" wrote
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Thanks for all the great advice, Ron! That's the kind of information I
need
right now -- I'm so new to this that it took me a couple of minutes to
figure
out what SNG is (stitch 'n glue). I suppose that acronym is better than
SAG. ;-)

I'll be headed down to the library later to check some books out. Do you
have any favorite plans to make a stable, family daysailor?

Thanks again,
Bryan

If you can think of any other sites, please send them to me!

I always plug:
http://home.clara.net/gmatkin/design.htm
because he's a great bloke, designer of the mouseboat. The material may or
may not be relevant, but most of it's a damn good read.

http://www.simplicityboats.com/ as I mentioned before. I personaly like the
"redneck" ideas, being a cheapskate.
http://www.simplicityboats.com/links.html is a subpage and is far more
comprehensive than I remember it being.

www.fyneboatkits.com are my epoxy suppliers and rather wonderful people
(nothing is too much trouble, their product is good, their prices low), they
have building links and do a lot of S&G. They mostly sell CLC kits,
speaking of which www.clcboats.com deals mostly with kayaks and similar
small craft, but again looks at S&G (I think).

http://homepages.apci.net/~michalak/ has a large collection of boat
design/building essays written by Jim Michalak.

As I say, I lost all my bookmarks, some of which may have been more
relevant, but there is (in my opinion) a lot of good material in the above
sites, and links to more.

Al