"Capt. JG" wrote in
:

Answer: PWCs are always at fault. They can't help it, they were built
that way.



I know someone who was passing a powerboat in a big PWC. The powerboat
idiot didn't look behind him to see who was passing him and turned to port,
into the PWC who ended up crashing into the port side of the powerboat.

The PWC rider successfully sued for a new ski, medical costs, lost wages,
etc., etc., after the DNR quoted the rules-of-the-road about maintaining
course and speed when being overtaken someone else posted here. DNR
investigated the accident and was not amused when the big powerboat rich
boy pointed out "It's just a PWC", as you hotheads infer.

The hotheaded attitudes displayed in this stupid thread over the hated PWC
is a mixture for disaster on the waterways. The PWC riders have just as
much rights to use the public's waterways as the millionaires in the
Azimuts. Just ask the PWCer's attorney....(c; Someone said he drooled
over this case when he found out how much money the powerboater was
worth...(c;

By the way, in SC, that PWC only needs be 50 ft away from your boat to run
full throttle past you....50 ft....Says so right in the boating manual.

Run over his little PWC. Make his day.....

--
Larry, 3rd Mate
S/V "Lionheart"

Jeff wrote in
:

proper to pass within 15 feet of boats doing 25 MPH shouldn't be out
there.


It's 50 ft in South Carolina...just like for a dock. 200' from the marina.

--
Larry

Here are a couple of the applicable rules to consider.
Note the specific rule for vessels less than 20 metres or a sailing
vessel (any length) in a narrow channel.
Note the specific rule on overtaking in narrow channels.
There are also rules on safe speed which I am happy to provide to help
the discussion.

People with more savvy than any of use created and continue to improve
the rules. It is up to us to learn them.

Rule 9

Narrow Channels--International

(a)A vessel proceeding along the course of a narrow channel or fairway
shall keep as near to the outer limit of the channel or fairway which
lies on her starboard side as is safe and practicable.

(b)A vessel of less than 20 metres in length or a sailing vessel shall
not impede the passage of a vessel which can safely navigate only within
a narrow channel or fairway.

(d)A vessel shall not cross a narrow channel or fairway if such crossing
impedes the passage of a vessel which can safely navigate only within
such channel or fairway. The latter vessel may use the sound signal
prescribed in Rule 34(d) if in doubt as to the intention of the crossing
vessel.

(e)(i)In a narrow channel or fairway when overtaking can take place only
if the vessel to be overtaken has to take action to permit safe passing,
the vessel intending to overtake shall indicate her intention by
sounding the appropriate signal prescribed in Rule 34(c)(i). The vessel
to be overtaken shall, if in agreement, sound the appropriate signal
prescribed in Rule 34(c)(ii) and take steps to permit safe passing. If
in doubt she may sound the signals prescribed in Rule 34(d).

(ii) This Rule does not relieve the overtaking vessel of her obligation
under Rule 13.

Rule 13

Overtaking--International

(a)Notwithstanding anything contained in the Rules of Part B, Sections I
and II, any vessel overtaking any other vessel shall keep out of the way
of the vessel being overtaken.

(d)Any subsequent alteration of the bearing between the two vessels
shall not make the overtaking vessel a crossing vessel within the
meaning of these Rules or relieve her of the duty of keeping clear of
the overtaken vessel until she is finally past and clear.

Brian Whatcott wrote:
On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 06:34:14 GMT, "Bill McKee"
wrote:



Doing nothing is not an option.

Gary


And you put your tanker on the rocks entering San Francisco bay.

Sure, we are all that stupid.

Sounds like you are.
[Bill]



I am tired of hearing you two bicker. Why don't you cut rec.boats.
building and rec.boats.cruising from your distribution?
Please?

PLEASE?

Brian Whatcott
p.s. You are both traceable - don't get me mad.

I hope I don't sound like I'm bickering. I am treating this thread as a
interesting Rules of the Road discussion and a bit of a review. It's
not often that I get to hear the point of view of amateurs or
recreational boaters on RofR situations. It is causing me to refer to
my books and think. Sorry if you aren't enjoying the thread.

Gary

Bill McKee wrote:
Bzzt: wrong again. I never said I was a jetski. My boat has a
jetdrive, but is not a jetski.

I'm curious about your boat, Bill... does it have a remote control
or a pedal on the floor for the throttle?

--
frosty

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Scotty" wrote in message
...

"Don White" wrote
Not all sailors are familiar enough with the collision
regulations either.
In your case, sounds like you were overtaking him. You are
the
'giveway
boat'. That said, he has a responsibility to give you ample
time to
avoid a collision.

Well, he did, didn't he? Was there a collision?

SV



Barely.


But no collision, right?


Because I was not drunk like most times.


good for you.

SBV

"Bill McKee" wrote

Is it really *that* hard to turn a steering wheel, Bill? Do
you
have wimpy limp wrists?

SBV


You remind me of the sailor who decides to turn with no
signal and


Oh, you were serious about those turn signals.

SBV

Gary wrote in news44bf.417596$tl2.177416@pd7tw3no:

Narrow Channels--International


All this is great....if you're a ship from Le Havre. But, the jetski guy
has his South Carolina Dept of Natural Resources, Boater's Handbook. (The
guy on the sailboat probably doesn't have anything...and I'm serious.)
Whatever bureaucrats are in charge locally are the ones that set the rules
and bust them in the harbor and ICW. No boater safety course actually
teaches these International Rules.

So, the rules he goes by (assuming he goes by rules and is a nice guy with
family out for a PWC cruise, not some freak, which most of them really are
not) is the Boater's Handbook DNR handed him when he took his 2 sons to the
PWC training course DNR ran at the high school so the boys could get their
little DNR drivers permits. It says 50' from boats and docks and 200' from
marinas.

This nonsense of 8 layers of rule-making bureaucrats, all different in
every fiefdom you boat across, is REALLY STUPID!!

--
Larry

Larry wrote:
Gary wrote in news44bf.417596$tl2.177416@pd7tw3no:


Narrow Channels--International



All this is great....if you're a ship from Le Havre. But, the jetski guy
has his South Carolina Dept of Natural Resources, Boater's Handbook. (The
guy on the sailboat probably doesn't have anything...and I'm serious.)
Whatever bureaucrats are in charge locally are the ones that set the rules
and bust them in the harbor and ICW. No boater safety course actually
teaches these International Rules.

So, the rules he goes by (assuming he goes by rules and is a nice guy with
family out for a PWC cruise, not some freak, which most of them really are
not) is the Boater's Handbook DNR handed him when he took his 2 sons to the
PWC training course DNR ran at the high school so the boys could get their
little DNR drivers permits. It says 50' from boats and docks and 200' from
marinas.

This nonsense of 8 layers of rule-making bureaucrats, all different in
every fiefdom you boat across, is REALLY STUPID!!

You are right. There are really only two sets of over-arching rules,
the Colregs and the Inland Rules. Adhere to those and all is well. The
people that don't learn them cause us all to come to grief.

Gary wrote:


You are right. There are really only two sets of over-arching rules,
the Colregs and the Inland Rules. Adhere to those and all is well. The
people that don't learn them cause us all to come to grief.


It kills some of the yahoos that a slow moving sailboat has right of way
over their 300hp, gas guzzlin', air polluting monstrosity.