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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Jonathan Ganz wrote:
The colregs do. Did you actually go to the link? I bet you didn't.

Well, have a great evening... I'm outta here until tomorrow
evening. Guess I'll go sailing and see if there are any jetskiers out
there who know the rules of the road.

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www.sailnow.com



Better not get in front of a tanker. Your posting will come back to haunt
you.

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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
.net...

"Jim Carter" wrote in message
...

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Jim Carter" wrote in message
...
Bill, if "you" collided with them, "you" would be at fault. It is
your
responsibility, under Rule 8, the collision regulations, to avoid a
collision.
Jim
Not when he is 15' from me and makes a 90 degree turn in front of a
boat
moving 25 miles per hour. His responsibility requires him to avoid the
collision and has to keep in a continous direction when being
overtaken.

Yes Bill, You would still be at fault in this instance.

You are breaking several of the Collision Regulations. rule 5, rule 6,
rule
7, and rule 8. You have disregarded all of these.
How? You were not paying attention in rule 5, and allowed yourself to
get
too close to the sailboat. You were going to fast to avoid the
collision
which is in contradiction of rule 6. You, most definitely broke rule
7,
(part a.) in as much as you collided with the sailboat. You broke rule
8
because you did not take action to avoid the collision.

Jim



Bzzt: Sailboat made a bad move. Prove I was not paying attention, and
that
an illegal direction change while being overtaken did not cause the
accident.
Bill, here is the proof for you. If "you" hit the sailboat that means that
you were not paying attention to various factors, those factors being your
speed & your proximity to the sailboat. Ergo.......your broke Rule 5. The
sailboat making a bad move has nothing to do with it. You were too close!
You were going too fast! You hit the sailboat! You're in the
wrong.......

Jim Carter
"The Boat"
Bayfield.

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"Jim Carter" wrote in message
.. .

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
.net...

"Jim Carter" wrote in message
...

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Jim Carter" wrote in message
...
Bill, if "you" collided with them, "you" would be at fault. It is
your
responsibility, under Rule 8, the collision regulations, to avoid a
collision.
Jim
Not when he is 15' from me and makes a 90 degree turn in front of a
boat
moving 25 miles per hour. His responsibility requires him to avoid
the
collision and has to keep in a continous direction when being
overtaken.

Yes Bill, You would still be at fault in this instance.

You are breaking several of the Collision Regulations. rule 5, rule 6,
rule
7, and rule 8. You have disregarded all of these.
How? You were not paying attention in rule 5, and allowed yourself to
get
too close to the sailboat. You were going to fast to avoid the
collision
which is in contradiction of rule 6. You, most definitely broke rule
7,
(part a.) in as much as you collided with the sailboat. You broke rule
8
because you did not take action to avoid the collision.

Jim



Bzzt: Sailboat made a bad move. Prove I was not paying attention, and
that
an illegal direction change while being overtaken did not cause the
accident.
Bill, here is the proof for you. If "you" hit the sailboat that means
that
you were not paying attention to various factors, those factors being your
speed & your proximity to the sailboat. Ergo.......your broke Rule 5.
The
sailboat making a bad move has nothing to do with it. You were too
close!
You were going too fast! You hit the sailboat! You're in the
wrong.......

Jim Carter
"The Boat"
Bayfield.



I may get a minority of the blame, but he CAN NOT CHANGE DIRECTION IN FRONT
OF THE OVERTAKING BOAT! He gets the majority of the fault.

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Bill McKee wrote:
I may get a minority of the blame

Nah, majority.

... but he CAN NOT CHANGE DIRECTION IN FRONT
OF THE OVERTAKING BOAT! He gets the majority of the fault.


Please cite the ColReg which says so.

DSK

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"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
Bill McKee wrote:
I may get a minority of the blame

Nah, majority.

... but he CAN NOT CHANGE DIRECTION IN FRONT OF THE OVERTAKING BOAT! He
gets the majority of the fault.

Please cite the ColReg which says so.

DSK


Rule 17 a) i)

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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
nk.net...

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
Bill McKee wrote:
I may get a minority of the blame

Nah, majority.

... but he CAN NOT CHANGE DIRECTION IN FRONT OF THE OVERTAKING BOAT!
He
gets the majority of the fault.

Please cite the ColReg which says so.

DSK


Rule 17 a) i)

Wrong again Bill. Did you not read Rule 13 part (a)? If not, here it is
for you.
"Notwithstanding anything contained in the Rules of Part B, Sections I and
II, any vessel overtaking any other vessel shall keep out of the way of the
vessel being overtaken."

This means that you were, at 25 feet behind the sailboat, and going 25 MPH,
you were not in a position to "keep out of the way". Right Bill? Proof of
this is in Rule 17 (b) . Did you read this part Bill? If not, here it is
for you.
"When, from any cause, the vessel required to keep her course and speed
finds herself so close that collision cannot be avoided by the action of the
give-way vessel alone, she shall take such action as will best aid to avoid
collision. This could be the reason for her turning. Right Bill?

This means Bill, that if you collided with the sailboat, the majority of the
blame is YOURS.

Jim Carter
"The Boat"
Bayfield.

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Capt Joe,
All security experts strongly recommend you do not include your address and
phone number in your UseNet Posts.


"Captain Joe Redcloud" wrote in message
...
On 2 Nov 2005 16:47:08 -0800, lid (Jonathan Ganz) wrote:

In article . net,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Yeah, so? What's your point? I know the regs and clearly you can quote
them. What are you trying to tell us here?

That you are an idiot.

Ah, a name caller. Well, ok then. You sure won that argument on the
merits.

Yes, you can be sure that Jon Gayanzy has NEVER resorted to name calling
when it
suited his own purposes.


Captain Joe Redcloud
1882 Chestnut Hill Road
Mohnton PA
(610) 856-7118

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Jon,
In a passing situation both boats must maintain their course and heading.
Some boaters, both power and sail do not understand the ColRegs, the biggest
problem some sail boaters make is assuming they are a sailboat when they are
under power, and assuming they have the right of way under all conditions
when they are under sail.


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article . net,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Yeah, so? What's your point? I know the regs and clearly you can quote
them. What are you trying to tell us here?

That you are an idiot.

Ah, a name caller. Well, ok then. You sure won that argument on the
merits.




--
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JimC,
If there is a collision and both boats could have avoided the collision,
both boats can be held partially reasonable. If the sailboat in a passing
situation turns in front of another boat and it is not reasonable for the
other boater to avoid the collision, the powerboater will not be held
responsible.


"Jim Carter" wrote in message
...

"Bill McKee" wrote in message news:fkaaf.4109
I
know what is involved with sailing. Married a good sailors daughter and
used to windsurf. But too many "sailors" figure they have the right of
way
as they have a sailboat. I have had "sailors" do a 90 degree in front of
me
when lifting the sails and the iron sail is still running, and then yell
at
me. They would yell even louder if I collided with them and when they
had
to pay enormous sums of money to me.

Bill, if "you" collided with them, "you" would be at fault. It is your
responsibility, under Rule 8, the collision regulations, to avoid a
collision.
Jim

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"Dr. Dr. Smithers" Ask Me about my Phd @ Diploma Mill .com wrote in
message . ..
JimC,
If there is a collision and both boats could have avoided the collision,
both boats can be held partially reasonable. If the sailboat in a passing
situation turns in front of another boat and it is not reasonable for the
other boater to avoid the collision, the powerboater will not be held
responsible.

Dr. Smithers, the first part of your statement is absolutely correct. The
second part of your statement is incorrect in as much as there is no such
thing as it being "not reasonable" for the powerboater to avoid the
collision in the way Bill has described the situation. In this case it
would have been the fault of Bill's judgement. He was too close and too
fast in the situation. He MUST stay clear in the overtaking situation.

Jim Carter
"The Boat"
Bayfield

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Bill McKee wrote:
....


If your gas engine is running, you are a power boat! If you are in neutral,
engine running, you are a power boat,

Wrong! The propulsion system must be "used" for it to be a sailboat.
It is clearly true that if you see a sailboat, with the sails up,
making way as a sailboat, and not showing the steaming light or cone,
you must treat it as a sailboat.

And similarly, if you are being treated as a sailboat, it would be
best to behave in a consistent manner.

On the other hand, if you had an engine available for immediate use,
and failed to use it to avoid a collision, you'd have some serious
explaining to do! But, that would also be true even if the engine
wasn't running.

This does not mean, of course, that a sailboat under power can slip
into neutral anytime and suddenly claim rights as a sailor. But, if
an engine is running it doesn't mean it is automatically a powerboat.
For example, some engines require several minutes of warmup before
they can be engaged.

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Jonathan Ganz wrote:
In article t,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:
He has to avoid the tanker in the channel. If he causes the tanker to run
aground or hit a bridge piling to avoid the collision, the sailboat is going
to be liable for all damages. The tanker, the bridge, all the damage.

Bzzzzt. The tanker will not hit a bridge piling to avoid the
collision.


probably true

Bzzzzt. The tanker will not be damanged.

probably true


Bzzzzt. The tanker will not leave the channel.
Maybe not at the Golden Gate, but the was such a case in the
Chesapeake a few years back where the woman in the 25 foot boat the
got becalmed in the channel was held liable when the freighter grounded.


Bill... who has stand-on status on the ocean?

Actually, the sailboat is still the stand-on vessel, even when
crossing the TSS. It is, however, required "not to impede" the
tanker. You should know this stuff, Jon. You just took the test.


Suggestion (not a hint): Stay away from tankers.


good advice.

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Jonathan Ganz wrote:
In article et,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

"DSK" wrote in message
...

Bill McKee wrote:

Probably like a lot if sailors, you turn when ever you want, and then
yell at a power boat for impeding you.

Probably like a lot of motorboaters, you have no clue what's involved in
sailing, and think that all boats can be driven like a car.

DSK


I know what is involved with sailing. Married a good sailors daughter and
used to windsurf. But too many "sailors" figure they have the right of way
as they have a sailboat. I have had "sailors" do a 90 degree in front of me
when lifting the sails and the iron sail is still running, and then yell at
me. They would yell even louder if I collided with them and when they had
to pay enormous sums of money to me.


What's your point? If you know the Rules of the Road, there's never
much doubt about who should give way.


Surely not the overtaking vessel? Must a vessel desiring to turn
from main channel to side route stand on past a harbour entrance
because a zoomer wants to pass between them and their port?

Could we invent turn signals for slow boats, to give those with
power, speed and a lack of courteous patience a more easily notable
legal signal of intentions to turn, given that noisy power vessels
make horn signals adequate for listening and watching sailors
inaudible aboard kilowatt stereo disco boats? Or would such
unauthorized lighting distract starlet eyed go boaters from their
fore deck ornaments?

Do these power mongers not understand the need of sailors to turn
into the wind to hoist their main sails?

Nor is there much doubt as to how hard it is to hit a planing power
boat with a sail boat, and vice versa.

Honest savvy power boaters well know the paranoid schizophrenia they
have forced on sailors and the bad reputation their wild mannered
birds of similar feathering have cultivated for them, well know the
secret rabid detestation that fires every sailor's killing passions
and undeniable mad obsession with reach ramming power boats who so
foolishly come so close as to make possible such sweet, aching
temptation to chisel yet another notch in their stems, and well know
to stay away, as they should from a starved tiger on a short chain.

Those who actually get rammed by sailboats have no one to blame but
themselves, (even the law of the sea agrees,) unless their canny X's
have topped the limit on their gas cards, and the grinning fates
deliver them to their well deserved, slow motion fates. Gradual
horror overtake them, woe by tides and drift the planing challenged
fume less speed boater who dallies wake less long enough for the
long plotting sailors' pack to organize, isolate, surround and
subsume their deserving victims, should Poseidon aid them and grant
conspiring seas, wind and grant calls for rights to starboard tack.

Like a wounded fawn in the teeth of crippled octogenarian wolves,
surely their vessels shall be dismembered and dispersed without
trace, like diseased baby seals in the toothless jaws of tired and
gallopless killer whales.

Aarrgghh! The longer takes the victory, the sweeter the vine of
triumph, the sweeter the smoke of the roasting. May they all overheat;^)

Terry K

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Hi Terry
I guess from your post that you dont like power boaters :-)

Power boaters are like car drivers who crash into buses when they stop at
bus stops and then complain that the bus should not have stopped!
Sailboats are always unpredictable by their nature so I can never understand
why so many powerboaters have to overtake sooo close even when there is
plenty of searoom

Tony uk


"Terry Spragg" wrote in message
...
Jonathan Ganz wrote:
In article et,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

"DSK" wrote in message
t...

Bill McKee wrote:

Probably like a lot if sailors, you turn when ever you want, and then
yell at a power boat for impeding you.

Probably like a lot of motorboaters, you have no clue what's involved in
sailing, and think that all boats can be driven like a car.

DSK


I know what is involved with sailing. Married a good sailors daughter
and used to windsurf. But too many "sailors" figure they have the right
of way as they have a sailboat. I have had "sailors" do a 90 degree in
front of me when lifting the sails and the iron sail is still running,
and then yell at me. They would yell even louder if I collided with them
and when they had to pay enormous sums of money to me.


What's your point? If you know the Rules of the Road, there's never
much doubt about who should give way.


Surely not the overtaking vessel? Must a vessel desiring to turn from
main channel to side route stand on past a harbour entrance because a
zoomer wants to pass between them and their port?

Could we invent turn signals for slow boats, to give those with power,
speed and a lack of courteous patience a more easily notable legal signal
of intentions to turn, given that noisy power vessels make horn signals
adequate for listening and watching sailors inaudible aboard kilowatt
stereo disco boats? Or would such unauthorized lighting distract starlet
eyed go boaters from their fore deck ornaments?

Do these power mongers not understand the need of sailors to turn into the
wind to hoist their main sails?

Nor is there much doubt as to how hard it is to hit a planing power boat
with a sail boat, and vice versa.

Honest savvy power boaters well know the paranoid schizophrenia they have
forced on sailors and the bad reputation their wild mannered birds of
similar feathering have cultivated for them, well know the secret rabid
detestation that fires every sailor's killing passions and undeniable mad
obsession with reach ramming power boats who so foolishly come so close as
to make possible such sweet, aching temptation to chisel yet another notch
in their stems, and well know to stay away, as they should from a starved
tiger on a short chain.

Those who actually get rammed by sailboats have no one to blame but
themselves, (even the law of the sea agrees,) unless their canny X's have
topped the limit on their gas cards, and the grinning fates deliver them
to their well deserved, slow motion fates. Gradual horror overtake them,
woe by tides and drift the planing challenged fume less speed boater who
dallies wake less long enough for the long plotting sailors' pack to
organize, isolate, surround and subsume their deserving victims, should
Poseidon aid them and grant conspiring seas, wind and grant calls for
rights to starboard tack.

Like a wounded fawn in the teeth of crippled octogenarian wolves, surely
their vessels shall be dismembered and dispersed without trace, like
diseased baby seals in the toothless jaws of tired and gallopless killer
whales.

Aarrgghh! The longer takes the victory, the sweeter the vine of triumph,
the sweeter the smoke of the roasting. May they all overheat;^)

Terry K

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"Terry Spragg" wrote in message
...
Jonathan Ganz wrote:
In article et,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

"DSK" wrote in message
t...

Bill McKee wrote:

Probably like a lot if sailors, you turn when ever you want, and then
yell at a power boat for impeding you.

Probably like a lot of motorboaters, you have no clue what's involved in
sailing, and think that all boats can be driven like a car.

DSK


I know what is involved with sailing. Married a good sailors daughter
and used to windsurf. But too many "sailors" figure they have the right
of way as they have a sailboat. I have had "sailors" do a 90 degree in
front of me when lifting the sails and the iron sail is still running,
and then yell at me. They would yell even louder if I collided with them
and when they had to pay enormous sums of money to me.


What's your point? If you know the Rules of the Road, there's never
much doubt about who should give way.


Surely not the overtaking vessel? Must a vessel desiring to turn from
main channel to side route stand on past a harbour entrance because a
zoomer wants to pass between them and their port?

Could we invent turn signals for slow boats, to give those with power,
speed and a lack of courteous patience a more easily notable legal signal
of intentions to turn, given that noisy power vessels make horn signals
adequate for listening and watching sailors inaudible aboard kilowatt
stereo disco boats? Or would such unauthorized lighting distract starlet
eyed go boaters from their fore deck ornaments?

Do these power mongers not understand the need of sailors to turn into the
wind to hoist their main sails?

Nor is there much doubt as to how hard it is to hit a planing power boat
with a sail boat, and vice versa.

Honest savvy power boaters well know the paranoid schizophrenia they have
forced on sailors and the bad reputation their wild mannered birds of
similar feathering have cultivated for them, well know the secret rabid
detestation that fires every sailor's killing passions and undeniable mad
obsession with reach ramming power boats who so foolishly come so close as
to make possible such sweet, aching temptation to chisel yet another notch
in their stems, and well know to stay away, as they should from a starved
tiger on a short chain.

Those who actually get rammed by sailboats have no one to blame but
themselves, (even the law of the sea agrees,) unless their canny X's have
topped the limit on their gas cards, and the grinning fates deliver them
to their well deserved, slow motion fates. Gradual horror overtake them,
woe by tides and drift the planing challenged fume less speed boater who
dallies wake less long enough for the long plotting sailors' pack to
organize, isolate, surround and subsume their deserving victims, should
Poseidon aid them and grant conspiring seas, wind and grant calls for
rights to starboard tack.

Like a wounded fawn in the teeth of crippled octogenarian wolves, surely
their vessels shall be dismembered and dispersed without trace, like
diseased baby seals in the toothless jaws of tired and gallopless killer
whales.

Aarrgghh! The longer takes the victory, the sweeter the vine of triumph,
the sweeter the smoke of the roasting. May they all overheat;^)

Terry K


And what about the power boater that will become a sailboat after he raises
his sails and turns off the motor. Just because he carries sails, he should
have all the right of way? I carry a paddle on my powerboat, should I not
have right of way over a sailboat?

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In article et,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Jonathan Ganz wrote:
The colregs do. Did you actually go to the link? I bet you didn't.

Well, have a great evening... I'm outta here until tomorrow
evening. Guess I'll go sailing and see if there are any jetskiers out
there who know the rules of the road.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com



Better not get in front of a tanker. Your posting will come back to haunt
you.

Which posting is that?

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

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In article et,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

And your "Rules of the Road" have legal validity. I did not go to the site.
AS YOU STATED BOTH Colregs and your "Rules of the Road" for legality. So
you "Rules of the Road" are nada as to concern. It may be a restatement or
interpretation of the Colregs, but other than that they are meaningless.


Bill, the Rules are *in* the colregs. Duhhh... sheesh.




--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

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In article ,
Captain Joe Redcloud wrote:
Yes, you can be sure that Jon Gayanzy has NEVER resorted to name calling when it
suited his own purposes.

Poor Billy... he's got a lot of anger. Please join us in feeling sorry
for him.


--
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In article ,
Dr. Dr. Smithers Ask Me about my Phd @ Diploma Mill .com wrote:
Capt Joe,
All security experts strongly recommend you do not include your address and
phone number in your UseNet Posts.

He didn't. He's just trolling someone else from alt.sailing.asa.

Captain Joe Redcloud
1882 Chestnut Hill Road
Mohnton PA
(610) 856-7118




--
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In article t,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article . net,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Yeah, so? What's your point? I know the regs and clearly you can quote
them. What are you trying to tell us here?

That you are an idiot.

Ah, a name caller. Well, ok then. You sure won that argument on the
merits.

No, just stating the obvious.

Yes, it's quite obvious what you are and why you're doing
it... PWCER!!!!




--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

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In article ,
Dr. Dr. Smithers Ask Me about my Phd @ Diploma Mill .com wrote:
Jon,
In a passing situation both boats must maintain their course and heading.
Some boaters, both power and sail do not understand the ColRegs, the biggest
problem some sail boaters make is assuming they are a sailboat when they are
under power, and assuming they have the right of way under all conditions
when they are under sail.

No kidding?? Yes, I happen to know that Dr. S. Did you see the post
from him about doing 25MPH 15 FEET from another boat?
--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

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In article . net,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:
And what about the power boater that will become a sailboat after he raises
his sails and turns off the motor. Just because he carries sails, he should
have all the right of way? I carry a paddle on my powerboat, should I not
have right of way over a sailboat?

Bill, you really need to read the Rules of the Road section of the
colregs... really.... just read them and get back to us.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

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In article ,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:
Bzzt: Sailboat made a bad move. Prove I was not paying attention, and that
an illegal direction change while being overtaken did not cause the
accident.

Bzzzzt... it doesn't matter. You need to be prepared to avoid the
stand-on boat. Being 15 ft away at 25 MPH (and why are you using
MPH????) is being unprepared.

--
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www.sailnow.com

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In article ,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:
I may get a minority of the blame, but he CAN NOT CHANGE DIRECTION IN FRONT
OF THE OVERTAKING BOAT! He gets the majority of the fault.

Suggestion: Don't bet on it.



--
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In article et,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

Was up to you to show the regs.

Done did it dude... you just didn't look.



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In article et,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:
Bzzzzt. The tanker will not hit a bridge piling to avoid the
collision.

Bzzzzt. The tanker will not be damanged.

Bzzzzt. The tanker will not leave the channel.

Bill... who has stand-on status on the ocean?

Suggestion (not a hint): Stay away from tankers.

Bzzt. A tanker hit the San Raphael bridge earlier this year avoiding a
boat. The boat is and has been held liable. Look at the SFCG site, and you
will probably find the info.

Bzzt. A freighter ran aground somewhere back east avoiding a boat earlier
this year. You will have to google up that one.

Sure thing. I could be wrong. And, now, back to you to answer the many
questions you have chosen to avoid answering.....




--
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In article et,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:
I assume you own a small, cheap sailboat. And the 40' was the fishing boat
if you go back and try to read for comprehension. And as to majority if
fault. The sailboat gets it. They did not continue in a line while being
overtaken. You better re read the Colregs.

You would assume wrong. I don't currently own a boat. Keep trying to
insult me. It might work, you never know. Typical PWCer.



--
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www.sailnow.com

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In article ,
Captain Joe Redcloud wrote:
Jon "owned" a small cheap sailboat, but he didn't love sailing enough to even do
what it would have taken to keep that boat, which he got for FREE. He now has NO
boat. He's a talker.

Nope. Cost me $75. Wrong again.

Please tell us why you're so angry. It's really hurtful for you.

--
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www.sailnow.com

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article . net,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:
And what about the power boater that will become a sailboat after he
raises
his sails and turns off the motor. Just because he carries sails, he
should
have all the right of way? I carry a paddle on my powerboat, should I not
have right of way over a sailboat?

Bill, you really need to read the Rules of the Road section of the
colregs... really.... just read them and get back to us.

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www.sailnow.com



Answer my questions if you can. And refer to the Colregs as to why that
sailboater with the engine running is a sailboat.

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article et,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

And your "Rules of the Road" have legal validity. I did not go to the
site.
AS YOU STATED BOTH Colregs and your "Rules of the Road" for legality.
So
you "Rules of the Road" are nada as to concern. It may be a restatement
or
interpretation of the Colregs, but other than that they are meaningless.


Bill, the Rules are *in* the colregs. Duhhh... sheesh.




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www.sailnow.com



I see why you are a "Duhhh". First, you refer to both the Colregs and a
separate "rules of the road". Now you try to state there are only one set
of rules of the road. Get your act together.

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article t,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article . net,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Yeah, so? What's your point? I know the regs and clearly you can quote
them. What are you trying to tell us here?

That you are an idiot.

Ah, a name caller. Well, ok then. You sure won that argument on the
merits.

No, just stating the obvious.

Yes, it's quite obvious what you are and why you're doing
it... PWCER!!!!




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Such anger. And my PWC has 350 CID and 330 hp. Big PWC.

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Dr. Dr. Smithers Ask Me about my Phd @ Diploma Mill .com wrote:
Jon,
In a passing situation both boats must maintain their course and heading.
Some boaters, both power and sail do not understand the ColRegs, the
biggest
problem some sail boaters make is assuming they are a sailboat when they
are
under power, and assuming they have the right of way under all conditions
when they are under sail.

No kidding?? Yes, I happen to know that Dr. S. Did you see the post
from him about doing 25MPH 15 FEET from another boat?
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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com



Happens all the time in narrow channels. And if they are all going in the
same direction, there is no problem. It is when an idiot like you decides
that the world revolves around you and can change direction on a whim. You
do this on the freeway also? How about in the 25 mph zone. You change
lanes on a whim? On your bicycle you change lanes on a whim?

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article et,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:
Bzzzzt. The tanker will not hit a bridge piling to avoid the
collision.

Bzzzzt. The tanker will not be damanged.

Bzzzzt. The tanker will not leave the channel.

Bill... who has stand-on status on the ocean?

Suggestion (not a hint): Stay away from tankers.

Bzzt. A tanker hit the San Raphael bridge earlier this year avoiding a
boat. The boat is and has been held liable. Look at the SFCG site, and
you
will probably find the info.

Bzzt. A freighter ran aground somewhere back east avoiding a boat earlier
this year. You will have to google up that one.

Sure thing. I could be wrong. And, now, back to you to answer the many
questions you have chosen to avoid answering.....




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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com



You are always wrong.

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article et,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:
I assume you own a small, cheap sailboat. And the 40' was the fishing
boat
if you go back and try to read for comprehension. And as to majority if
fault. The sailboat gets it. They did not continue in a line while being
overtaken. You better re read the Colregs.

You would assume wrong. I don't currently own a boat. Keep trying to
insult me. It might work, you never know. Typical PWCer.



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www.sailnow.com



Such anger. The judge prohibit you from boat ownership?

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Captain Joe Redcloud wrote:
Jon "owned" a small cheap sailboat, but he didn't love sailing enough to
even do
what it would have taken to keep that boat, which he got for FREE. He now
has NO
boat. He's a talker.

Nope. Cost me $75. Wrong again.

Please tell us why you're so angry. It's really hurtful for you.

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com



Such anger. Maybe if you had a real sailboat, you would understand the
Colregs. Oh, thats right you are boatless.

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Bill,

If there was an accident and you were doing 25 mph within 15 ft. of another
boat, in a narrow channel, even if the other boat changed direction on a
whim, you would most likely be found partially responsibility for the
accident.


"Bill McKee" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Dr. Dr. Smithers Ask Me about my Phd @ Diploma Mill .com wrote:
Jon,
In a passing situation both boats must maintain their course and heading.
Some boaters, both power and sail do not understand the ColRegs, the
biggest
problem some sail boaters make is assuming they are a sailboat when they
are
under power, and assuming they have the right of way under all conditions
when they are under sail.

No kidding?? Yes, I happen to know that Dr. S. Did you see the post
from him about doing 25MPH 15 FEET from another boat?
--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com



Happens all the time in narrow channels. And if they are all going in the
same direction, there is no problem. It is when an idiot like you decides
that the world revolves around you and can change direction on a whim.
You do this on the freeway also? How about in the 25 mph zone. You
change lanes on a whim? On your bicycle you change lanes on a whim?

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Bill McKee wrote:
....

And what about the power boater that will become a sailboat after he raises
his sails and turns off the motor. Just because he carries sails, he should
have all the right of way? I carry a paddle on my powerboat, should I not
have right of way over a sailboat?

And where do the ColRegs assign any "rights" to a vessel being
paddled? Are you one of those who think kayaks have some special
rights over other boats?

(And yes, I know that a number of states do give this privilege to
human powered vessels in waters not covered by the ColRegs and Inland
Rules.)

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On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 06:34:43 GMT, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article et,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

And your "Rules of the Road" have legal validity. ////
Bill, the Rules are *in* the colregs. Duhhh... sheesh.

"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com



I see why you are a "Duhhh".


Hmmm...I am not thrilled by this thread. Reminds me of the obsessive
compulsive style sometimes attributed to too early or strict toilet
training. I even heard that too much participation in this kind of
thing, leads to the desire to sit the LSAT - then, before you know
what hit you, you are in a two year evening class law school, and you
have a JD after your names, counsellors.

You have been warned.

Brian Whatcott Altus OK

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Bill McKee wrote:
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
....

No kidding?? Yes, I happen to know that Dr. S. Did you see the post
from him about doing 25MPH 15 FEET from another boat?


Happens all the time in narrow channels.

Are you Crazy??? Please tell us which waterway its customary to do 25
mph within 15 feet of another vessel underway. I've seen pwc's do
this, but that could explain why they are reviled by most other boaters.


And if they are all going in the
same direction, there is no problem. It is when an idiot like you decides
that the world revolves around you and can change direction on a whim. You
do this on the freeway also? How about in the 25 mph zone. You change
lanes on a whim? On your bicycle you change lanes on a whim?

Bad analogy, Bill. On the highway everyone has the same purpose, and
traveling in a consistent manner serves the collective purpose.
Boaters have to remember that every other boater has a different
agenda and is seeing the world in a different way. When that sailboat
started preparing to turn you were half a mile away, possibly even on
a different course. Your insistence that he turned 15 feet in front
of you simply proves that that you're the one who was cluelessly
assuming that the world revolves around your desires.

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Bill McKee wrote:


And what about the power boater that will become a sailboat after he raises
his sails and turns off the motor. Just because he carries sails, he should
have all the right of way? I carry a paddle on my powerboat, should I not
have right of way over a sailboat?


Bill..wouldn't you be happier getting rid of that boat and buying an
ATV? You could tear around the desert with no rules to follow, no one
to answer or whine to. Think about it.