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Bill McKee wrote:
And if they are all going in the same direction, there is no problem.
It is when an idiot like you decides that the world revolves around
you and can change direction on a whim.

Nobody is changing directions "on a whim." The fact that you don't
understand a thing about sailboats, sailing, or indeed much of anything
apparently, makes it all very mysterious & whimsical to you.


... You do this on the freeway
also? How about in the 25 mph zone. You change lanes on a whim? On
your bicycle you change lanes on a whim?


Jeff wrote:
Bad analogy, Bill.

A very bad analogy, and one that further proves my point that Bill & "Dr
Dr" and most of the rest are hopeless. They think driving a boat is like
driving a car. Any point based on seamanship, maritime principles, etc
etc, are all far above their comprehension.

I wonder how long they spent looking for the brake pedal in their boat.


... Your insistence that he turned 15 feet in front of
you simply proves that that you're the one who was cluelessly assuming
that the world revolves around your desires.


And that he was too close & too fast in the first place, but he's
already dismissed that inconvenient fact. Besides, there aren't any
yellow or white lines painted on the water, so who's to know which way
you're supposed to go? That darn sailboat didn't even have his turn
signal on!

DSK

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Bill McKee wrote:
....


Answer my questions if you can. And refer to the Colregs as to why that
sailboater with the engine running is a sailboat.

Rule 3 (c) The term “sailing vessel” means any vessel under sail
provided that propelling machinery, if fitted, is not being used.

It says "being used" not "running." Big difference. And its
specifically mentions "propelling machinery" implying the engine must
be used for propelling. Would you claim that an engine being used for
ballast makes it a powerboat?

Further, if you're on another boat and see an exhaust from a sailboat
that otherwise appears to be sailing, are you free to treat it as a
powerboat? Of course not, that might simply be a genset.

Sorry Bill, its pretty clear you don't really understand the rules.

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Tony wrote:
Hi Terry
I guess from your post that you dont like power boaters :-)

Power boaters are like car drivers who crash into buses when they stop at
bus stops and then complain that the bus should not have stopped!
Sailboats are always unpredictable by their nature so I can never understand
why so many powerboaters have to overtake sooo close even when there is
plenty of searoom

Tony uk


That is at the crux, but it does not apply to all power boaters,
only to the sourest creamy scum at the height of arrogance,
ignorance and hubris.

Most boaters come to realize that railing at loggerheads or swimmers
will never do them any good, and their best defence against
collision with rocks or slow boats in the grips of the wind and
tides is to give them sea room. Those who complain about rocks that
bash in the fronts of their boats are only denying the truth.

These types are the ones who speed through narrow channels and
complain because they really believe that sailors are doing what
they cannot understand to be necessary, but are doing it only to
inconvenience them. Nor do they want to learn why, or how,
unfortunately, because they would improve their own chances if they
did learn and appreciate the powers that the sea and wind exercise
over those dedicated to exploring and enjoying nature's natural
force, akin to skiers versus snowmobilers.

A sailboat is at the whim of the winds, like grass on a golf course.
It is not the fault of the grass that the golf ball be deflected
by the hazards of the course, if the golfer choose his shot, then
execute it poorly, coming too close to the rough.

Better he should continue to golf, and improve his game, but he
never will so long as he blames his tools, or the course.

I love all those who share my love of the water and messing about in
boats. I would help, even if by what seems criticism, those who
would listen: the wind makes sailboats do unexpected things. Smart
boaters know this. Fools complain they were disrespected when it is
they who disrespect nature, physics, and other's needs and rights.
The Colregs recognize reality, and sailors who decide to raise their
sails, even though they would waste no time doing it, are easily
overtaken by myopic rocket drivers who cannot conceive it is their
choice to crowd rocks, swimmers and other hazards like sailors
battling to raise or lower sails even with an assist from an engine
which is totally inadequate to control all aspects of such operations.

Some boaters use any excuse to claim rights, even when their
arguments are specious: flagging a sail gives them no more rights
over power, than they deserve as power drivers themselves, but smart
boater know that dragging a sail through the action of setting it in
a wind strong enough to make sailing profitable impedes their
ability and scope of control over their navigation ability, not to
mention winch knots, flying fish, and lines snarled on necks,
spectacles or tiller handles. Sailors are often a busy lot, easy to
sneak up on, if abusing one as a suicide assistant is what you want.

Understanding and courtesy are boundaries of contractual
civilization. Those unfit to abide or survive deserve to perish,
and though we might complain that nature is cruel, it is man's
stupidity that causes problems to be handled incompetently.

Neither sailors nor power boaters may avoid nature, and all must
grant to others those rights and that respect that they desire for
themselves before there is hope that they may be granted what they
desire for themselves. All must make allowances for slips and yips
and snags, and the fact that a small problem can become a large one
if the spectators press too close, and their fellow golfer loses his
grip.

In short, sailors sail or perish, some power boaters don't care
about anything except speed and power, and damn the rest. These
eventually reap what they sow. Then, they complain and try to hide
the obvious behind a technical argument.

The best solution would be for those not understanding to take a
cruise on a sailboat during a bluster. Their respect might improve,
provided they did not soil themselves. Their perspective might
improve, nonetheless.

Terry K

"Terry Spragg" wrote in message
...

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

In article et,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:


"DSK" wrote in message
et...


Bill McKee wrote:


Probably like a lot if sailors, you turn when ever you want, and then
yell at a power boat for impeding you.

Probably like a lot of motorboaters, you have no clue what's involved in
sailing, and think that all boats can be driven like a car.

DSK


I know what is involved with sailing. Married a good sailors daughter
and used to windsurf. But too many "sailors" figure they have the right
of way as they have a sailboat. I have had "sailors" do a 90 degree in
front of me when lifting the sails and the iron sail is still running,
and then yell at me. They would yell even louder if I collided with them
and when they had to pay enormous sums of money to me.


What's your point? If you know the Rules of the Road, there's never
much doubt about who should give way.


Surely not the overtaking vessel? Must a vessel desiring to turn from
main channel to side route stand on past a harbour entrance because a
zoomer wants to pass between them and their port?

Could we invent turn signals for slow boats, to give those with power,
speed and a lack of courteous patience a more easily notable legal signal
of intentions to turn, given that noisy power vessels make horn signals
adequate for listening and watching sailors inaudible aboard kilowatt
stereo disco boats? Or would such unauthorized lighting distract starlet
eyed go boaters from their fore deck ornaments?

Do these power mongers not understand the need of sailors to turn into the
wind to hoist their main sails?

Nor is there much doubt as to how hard it is to hit a planing power boat
with a sail boat, and vice versa.

Honest savvy power boaters well know the paranoid schizophrenia they have
forced on sailors and the bad reputation their wild mannered birds of
similar feathering have cultivated for them, well know the secret rabid
detestation that fires every sailor's killing passions and undeniable mad
obsession with reach ramming power boats who so foolishly come so close as
to make possible such sweet, aching temptation to chisel yet another notch
in their stems, and well know to stay away, as they should from a starved
tiger on a short chain.

Those who actually get rammed by sailboats have no one to blame but
themselves, (even the law of the sea agrees,) unless their canny X's have
topped the limit on their gas cards, and the grinning fates deliver them
to their well deserved, slow motion fates. Gradual horror overtake them,
woe by tides and drift the planing challenged fume less speed boater who
dallies wake less long enough for the long plotting sailors' pack to
organize, isolate, surround and subsume their deserving victims, should
Poseidon aid them and grant conspiring seas, wind and grant calls for
rights to starboard tack.

Like a wounded fawn in the teeth of crippled octogenarian wolves, surely
their vessels shall be dismembered and dispersed without trace, like
diseased baby seals in the toothless jaws of tired and gallopless killer
whales.

Aarrgghh! The longer takes the victory, the sweeter the vine of triumph,
the sweeter the smoke of the roasting. May they all overheat;^)

Terry K

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In article et,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

You are always wrong.

If I agree, does that still work?




--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

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In article et,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:
Such anger. Maybe if you had a real sailboat, you would understand the
Colregs. Oh, thats right you are boatless.

Ok. I'm done with you. It's pretty clear that you're a jerk. You
claimed that you represent the best and brightest of jet-skiers, and
if that's the case, there's really not much else I can say.

Have a great life, and if by chance you get near me with your piece of
crap jet-ski, you damn well better be doing everything by the book.




--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

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In article ,
Brian Whatcott wrote:
On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 06:34:43 GMT, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article et,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

And your "Rules of the Road" have legal validity. ////
Bill, the Rules are *in* the colregs. Duhhh... sheesh.

"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com



I see why you are a "Duhhh".


Hmmm...I am not thrilled by this thread. Reminds me of the obsessive
compulsive style sometimes attributed to too early or strict toilet
training. I even heard that too much participation in this kind of
thing, leads to the desire to sit the LSAT - then, before you know
what hit you, you are in a two year evening class law school, and you
have a JD after your names, counsellors.

You have been warned.

Brian Whatcott Altus OK

Now that's funny!


--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

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In article ,
Dr. Dr. Smithers Ask Me about my Phd @ Diploma Mill .com wrote:
Bill,

If there was an accident and you were doing 25 mph within 15 ft. of another
boat, in a narrow channel, even if the other boat changed direction on a
whim, you would most likely be found partially responsibility for the
accident.
Happens all the time in narrow channels. And if they are all going in the
same direction, there is no problem. It is when an idiot like you decides
that the world revolves around you and can change direction on a whim.
You do this on the freeway also? How about in the 25 mph zone. You
change lanes on a whim? On your bicycle you change lanes on a whim?

More than partially. Significantly. You see, he doesn't give a crap
about the effect his 40-foot boat has on anyone else. Wake be damned.

This is the sort of person who institutionalizes giving powerboaters a
bad name.
--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

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Bill McKee wrote:
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...

In article t,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...

In article . net,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...

Yeah, so? What's your point? I know the regs and clearly you can quote
them. What are you trying to tell us here?

That you are an idiot.

Ah, a name caller. Well, ok then. You sure won that argument on the
merits.


No, just stating the obvious.

Yes, it's quite obvious what you are and why you're doing
it... PWCER!!!!

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Such anger. And my PWC has 350 CID and 330 hp. Big PWC.

Oh Billy,

What you have is still a little toy boat with the same engine my mother
had in her station wagon.

If it is a powered vessel less that 10kdwt or not over 4khp I won't even
list it my log as sea time.

You really should go take a safe boating course somewhere - anywhere.
In the mean time, if you really want to learn - go to

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/navrules.htm

and buy or download a real copy of COMDTINST M16672.2
(by-the-by nothing you have said is supported between the covers.)

A man of much experience once said to me "The only thing required to run
one of those little motorboats is a credit rating."

Matt Colie
Lifelong Waterman and Licensed Mariner (Chf Stm & Mtr, Pilot 10k Grt
Lks, Mst VUS Offshore 100t)

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"Bill McKee" wrote


I know what is involved with sailing. Married a good sailors
daughter and
used to windsurf. But too many "sailors" figure they have the
right of way
as they have a sailboat. I have had "sailors" do a 90 degree
in front of me
when lifting the sails and the iron sail is still running, and
then yell at
me. They would yell even louder if I collided with them and
when they had
to pay enormous sums of money to me.


Is it really *that* hard to turn a steering wheel, Bill? Do you
have wimpy limp wrists?

SBV

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That's not his address and phone number, it's mine.
Capt' Joe is an asshole.
And has been reported.


SBV


"Dr. Dr. Smithers" Ask Me about my Phd @ Diploma Mill .com
wrote in message ...
Capt Joe,
All security experts strongly recommend you do not include
your address and
phone number in your UseNet Posts.


"Captain Joe Redcloud" wrote in message
...
On 2 Nov 2005 16:47:08 -0800, lid (Jonathan
Ganz) wrote:

In article
. net,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Yeah, so? What's your point? I know the regs and clearly
you can quote
them. What are you trying to tell us here?

That you are an idiot.

Ah, a name caller. Well, ok then. You sure won that argument
on the
merits.

Yes, you can be sure that Jon Gayanzy has NEVER resorted to
name calling
when it
suited his own purposes.


Captain Joe Redcloud
1882 Chestnut Hill Road
Mohnton PA
(610) 856-7118

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"Bill McKee" wrote

I carry a paddle on my powerboat, should I not
have right of way over a sailboat?

No, you should hand the paddle over to your Mom and bend over.

SV

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"Bill McKee" wrote

Not when he is 15' from me and makes a 90 degree turn in front
of a boat
moving 25 miles per hour. His responsibility requires him to
avoid the
collision and has to keep in a continous direction when being
overtaken.


This guy is scaring me. Wonder where he boats?

SV

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"Don White" wrote
Not all sailors are familiar enough with the collision
regulations either.
In your case, sounds like you were overtaking him. You are the
'giveway
boat'. That said, he has a responsibility to give you ample
time to
avoid a collision.

Well, he did, didn't he? Was there a collision?

SV

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"Bill McKee" wrote

If your gas engine is running, you are a power boat!


WHEW! That's a relief. I've got a diesel engine. I'd hate to
be labeled a power boater.

SV

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"Michael Gardner" wrote in message
...
In article et,
"Bill McKee" wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article . net,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:
And what about the power boater that will become a sailboat after he
raises
his sails and turns off the motor. Just because he carries sails, he
should
have all the right of way? I carry a paddle on my powerboat, should I
not
have right of way over a sailboat?

Bill, you really need to read the Rules of the Road section of the
colregs... really.... just read them and get back to us.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com



Answer my questions if you can. And refer to the Colregs as to why that
sailboater with the engine running is a sailboat.

Everyone knows its not a sailboat, but it is most often, a very
underpowered powerboat with limited maneuvering ability, a deeper draft
than the average powerboat and more affected by the wind (even with the
sails down).
--
sig goes here

Everyone does not seem to know it is a powerboat. And as to the rest of the
stuff, means nada.

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"Jeff" wrote in message
...
Bill McKee wrote:
...


Answer my questions if you can. And refer to the Colregs as to why that
sailboater with the engine running is a sailboat.

Rule 3 (c) The term “sailing vessel” means any vessel under sail provided
that propelling machinery, if fitted, is not being used.

It says "being used" not "running." Big difference. And its specifically
mentions "propelling machinery" implying the engine must be used for
propelling. Would you claim that an engine being used for ballast makes
it a powerboat?

Further, if you're on another boat and see an exhaust from a sailboat that
otherwise appears to be sailing, are you free to treat it as a powerboat?
Of course not, that might simply be a genset.

Sorry Bill, its pretty clear you don't really understand the rules.

Bzzt: You are wrong.

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article et,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

You are always wrong.

If I agree, does that still work?




--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com



Depends on the question. Another question for you. Power boat is going
along at 10 knots passing a sailboat. Sailboat takes a 90 degree tack into
the side of the powerboat. Who is at fault?

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article et,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:
Such anger. Maybe if you had a real sailboat, you would understand the
Colregs. Oh, thats right you are boatless.

Ok. I'm done with you. It's pretty clear that you're a jerk. You
claimed that you represent the best and brightest of jet-skiers, and
if that's the case, there's really not much else I can say.

Have a great life, and if by chance you get near me with your piece of
crap jet-ski, you damn well better be doing everything by the book.




--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com



Bzzt: wrong again. I never said I was a jetski. My boat has a jetdrive,
but is not a jetski.

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"Matt Colie" wrote in message
...


Bill McKee wrote:
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...

In article t,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...

In article . net,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...

Yeah, so? What's your point? I know the regs and clearly you can
quote
them. What are you trying to tell us here?

That you are an idiot.

Ah, a name caller. Well, ok then. You sure won that argument on the
merits.


No, just stating the obvious.

Yes, it's quite obvious what you are and why you're doing
it... PWCER!!!!

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Such anger. And my PWC has 350 CID and 330 hp. Big PWC.

Oh Billy,

What you have is still a little toy boat with the same engine my mother
had in her station wagon.

If it is a powered vessel less that 10kdwt or not over 4khp I won't even
list it my log as sea time.

You really should go take a safe boating course somewhere - anywhere.
In the mean time, if you really want to learn - go to

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/navrules.htm

and buy or download a real copy of COMDTINST M16672.2
(by-the-by nothing you have said is supported between the covers.)

A man of much experience once said to me "The only thing required to run
one of those little motorboats is a credit rating."

Matt Colie
Lifelong Waterman and Licensed Mariner (Chf Stm & Mtr, Pilot 10k Grt Lks,
Mst VUS Offshore 100t)

So you are a drunk also.

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"Scotty" wrote in message
...

"Bill McKee" wrote


I know what is involved with sailing. Married a good sailors
daughter and
used to windsurf. But too many "sailors" figure they have the
right of way
as they have a sailboat. I have had "sailors" do a 90 degree
in front of me
when lifting the sails and the iron sail is still running, and
then yell at
me. They would yell even louder if I collided with them and
when they had
to pay enormous sums of money to me.


Is it really *that* hard to turn a steering wheel, Bill? Do you
have wimpy limp wrists?

SBV




Nope, but you expect other boaters to also be aware of their surroundings.
And not make unexpected course changes. You ignore all other boats around
you. You remind me of the sailor who decides to turn with no signal and
ends up paying several thousand dollars to repair my F-I-L's sailboat.

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"Scotty" wrote in message
...

"Bill McKee" wrote

I carry a paddle on my powerboat, should I not
have right of way over a sailboat?

No, you should hand the paddle over to your Mom and bend over.

SV



I see you are also into S&M as well as idiocy.

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"Scotty" wrote in message
...

"Don White" wrote
Not all sailors are familiar enough with the collision
regulations either.
In your case, sounds like you were overtaking him. You are the
'giveway
boat'. That said, he has a responsibility to give you ample
time to
avoid a collision.

Well, he did, didn't he? Was there a collision?

SV



Barely. Because I was not drunk like most sailors.

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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
ink.net...
Depends on the question. Another question for you. Power boat is going
along at 10 knots passing a sailboat. Sailboat takes a 90 degree tack
into the side of the powerboat. Who is at fault?

Well, let's see how this works. You're close enough to for it to be able to
tack into the side of your boat. What would the maritime arbitration panel
say if it went to them? If you don't know what I'm talking about, google it.

John Cairns

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ENUFF AWREDDY!!!!!!

Capt. JG wrote:
"Bill McKee" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Scotty" wrote in message
.. .

Is it really *that* hard to turn a steering wheel, Bill? Do you
have wimpy limp wrists?

SBV




Nope, but you expect other boaters to also be aware of their surroundings.
And not make unexpected course changes. You ignore all other boats around
you. You remind me of the sailor who decides to turn with no signal and
ends up paying several thousand dollars to repair my F-I-L's sailboat.


Signalling? Do you stick your arm out when you want to make a right or a
left? Oh wait, I know, you flick your red light when you want to go left and
your green one when you want to go right. Never mind. I get it.



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Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
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DSK wrote:
Bill McKee wrote:

I may get a minority of the blame


Nah, majority.

... but he CAN NOT CHANGE DIRECTION IN FRONT OF THE OVERTAKING BOAT!
He gets the majority of the fault.


Please cite the ColReg which says so.

DSK

Rule 17

Action by Stand-on Vessel

(a)(i) Where one of two vessels is to keep out of the way, the other
shall keep her course and speed.

Gary

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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Scotty" wrote in message
...

Is it really *that* hard to turn a steering wheel, Bill? Do you
have wimpy limp wrists?

SBV




Nope, but you expect other boaters to also be aware of their surroundings.
And not make unexpected course changes. You ignore all other boats around
you. You remind me of the sailor who decides to turn with no signal and
ends up paying several thousand dollars to repair my F-I-L's sailboat.

Signalling? Do you stick your arm out when you want to make a right or a
left? Oh wait, I know, you flick your red light when you want to go left and
your green one when you want to go right. Never mind. I get it.

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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article et,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:

You are always wrong.

If I agree, does that still work?

Not too bright are you?

Depends on the question. Another question for you. Power boat is going
along at 10 knots passing a sailboat. Sailboat takes a 90 degree tack
into the side of the powerboat. Who is at fault?

Please don't switch from MPH to KTS. It's just too confusing!

Answer: PWCs are always at fault. They can't help it, they were built that
way.

Oh, you want a serious answer..

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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Scotty" wrote in message
...

"Don White" wrote
Not all sailors are familiar enough with the collision
regulations either.
In your case, sounds like you were overtaking him. You are the
'giveway
boat'. That said, he has a responsibility to give you ample
time to
avoid a collision.

Well, he did, didn't he? Was there a collision?

SV



Barely. Because I was not drunk like most sailors.

It might help. Give it a try.

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Bill McKee wrote:
"Jeff" wrote in message
...
Bill McKee wrote:
...

Answer my questions if you can. And refer to the Colregs as to why that
sailboater with the engine running is a sailboat.
Rule 3 (c) The term “sailing vessel” means any vessel under sail provided
that propelling machinery, if fitted, is not being used.

It says "being used" not "running." Big difference. And its specifically
mentions "propelling machinery" implying the engine must be used for
propelling. Would you claim that an engine being used for ballast makes
it a powerboat?

Further, if you're on another boat and see an exhaust from a sailboat that
otherwise appears to be sailing, are you free to treat it as a powerboat?
Of course not, that might simply be a genset.

Sorry Bill, its pretty clear you don't really understand the rules.

Bzzt: You are wrong.
Bzzt: You are wrong. And its pretty clear you're a dangerous jackass
who doesn't belong on the water. Anyone who claims its common and
proper to pass within 15 feet of boats doing 25 MPH shouldn't be out
there.

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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article et,
Bill McKee bmckee=at-ix.netcom.com wrote:
Such anger. Maybe if you had a real sailboat, you would understand the
Colregs. Oh, thats right you are boatless.

Ok. I'm done with you. It's pretty clear that you're a jerk. You
claimed that you represent the best and brightest of jet-skiers, and
if that's the case, there's really not much else I can say.

Have a great life, and if by chance you get near me with your piece of
crap jet-ski, you damn well better be doing everything by the book.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com



Bzzt: wrong again. I never said I was a jetski. My boat has a jetdrive,
but is not a jetski.

I'm really glad you're not a jet-ski. I'm sure even when you hail from you
would not allow a doctor to shove a jet-ski up your ass.

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Yeah, so? What's your point? I know the regs and clearly you can
quote
them. What are you trying to tell us here?

That you are an idiot.

Ah, a name caller. Well, ok then. You sure won that argument on the
merits.


No, just stating the obvious.

Yes, it's quite obvious what you are and why you're doing
it... PWCER!!!!

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Such anger. And my PWC has 350 CID and 330 hp. Big PWC.

Oh Billy,

What you have is still a little toy boat with the same engine my mother
had in her station wagon.

If it is a powered vessel less that 10kdwt or not over 4khp I won't even
list it my log as sea time.

You really should go take a safe boating course somewhere - anywhere.
In the mean time, if you really want to learn - go to

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/navrules.htm

and buy or download a real copy of COMDTINST M16672.2
(by-the-by nothing you have said is supported between the covers.)

A man of much experience once said to me "The only thing required to run
one of those little motorboats is a credit rating."

Matt Colie
Lifelong Waterman and Licensed Mariner (Chf Stm & Mtr, Pilot 10k Grt Lks,
Mst VUS Offshore 100t)


So you are a drunk also.

Oh billy,
Again you show your true capability.
Please, quit while you still can.
You have demonstrated a amazingly clear lack of any understanding of the
sited Colregs. (This was a part of the exams for the cert listed.)
And, you have answered and proved finally and personaly to me a long
standing standing question I have had:

If man had not invented canned beer, would anybody have ever bother to
develop recreational powerboats?

You have just given proof positive on that account.

Now go play with your little toy boat that takes no skill to operate (so
impaired judgement is not and issue - so you believe - i.e. requires
much less capability than any sailing dink) and has less horse power
than my engines need to just crank (about a third of a bow thruster)and
be sure you watch out for those dangerous sailboats out there.

Demand your rights on the water and please, tell all teh good people
here what water you inhabit so we may avoid your kingdom.

Matt - see prior sig

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And what about the power boater that will become a sailboat after he
raises
his sails and turns off the motor. Just because he carries sails, he
should
have all the right of way? I carry a paddle on my powerboat, should I not
have right of way over a sailboat?

Bill, you really need to read the Rules of the Road section of the
colregs... really.... just read them and get back to us.

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www.sailnow.com




Answer my questions if you can. And refer to the Colregs as to why that
sailboater with the engine running is a sailboat.



A sailboat has right of way sometimes because he is sailing and
sometimes that impairs his ability to adjust his course and speed as is
required of power driven vessels. Don't think of a 30 foot sloop, think
of a 150' square rigger. When the rules were written they weren't
written with smal pleasure boats in mind, they were written with ships
in mind. When you are paddling your power boat you do have some
privileges over some other boats. If a 25 knot power boat over takes
you he has to keep clear. (More than 15 feet unless the channel is 30
feet wide, then he should slow to less than 25 knots)
The important thing is behave in a seamanlike manner.

Gary

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You are always wrong.

If I agree, does that still work?




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Depends on the question. Another question for you. Power boat is going
along at 10 knots passing a sailboat. Sailboat takes a 90 degree tack into
the side of the powerboat. Who is at fault?


Sailboat. Should have done a shoulder check first.
Easy, bring'em on!

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Yeah, so? What's your point? I know the regs and clearly you can
quote
them. What are you trying to tell us here?

That you are an idiot.

Ah, a name caller. Well, ok then. You sure won that argument on the
merits.


No, just stating the obvious.

Yes, it's quite obvious what you are and why you're doing
it... PWCER!!!!

--
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www.sailnow.com

Such anger. And my PWC has 350 CID and 330 hp. Big PWC.

Oh Billy,

What you have is still a little toy boat with the same engine my mother
had in her station wagon.

If it is a powered vessel less that 10kdwt or not over 4khp I won't even
list it my log as sea time.

You really should go take a safe boating course somewhere - anywhere.
In the mean time, if you really want to learn - go to

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/navrules.htm

and buy or download a real copy of COMDTINST M16672.2
(by-the-by nothing you have said is supported between the covers.)

A man of much experience once said to me "The only thing required to run
one of those little motorboats is a credit rating."

Matt Colie
Lifelong Waterman and Licensed Mariner (Chf Stm & Mtr, Pilot 10k Grt Lks,
Mst VUS Offshore 100t)


So you are a drunk also.

Oh billy,
Again you show your true capability.
Please, quit while you still can.
You have demonstrated a amazingly clear lack of any understanding of the
sited Colregs. (This was a part of the exams for the cert listed.)
And, you have answered and proved finally and personaly to me a long
standing standing question I have had:

If man had not invented canned beer, would anybody have ever bother to
develop recreational powerboats?

You have just given proof positive on that account.

Now go play with your little toy boat that takes no skill to operate (so
impaired judgement is not and issue - so you believe - i.e. requires much
less capability than any sailing dink) and has less horse power than my
engines need to just crank (about a third of a bow thruster)and be sure
you watch out for those dangerous sailboats out there.

Demand your rights on the water and please, tell all teh good people here
what water you inhabit so we may avoid your kingdom.

Matt - see prior sig

So you turn when a sailboat crosses in front of your ship?

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ENUFF AWREDDY!!!!!!



Well Peggy, most should read your book. They are full of crap.

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...



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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...



Yeah, so? What's your point? I know the regs and clearly you can
quote
them. What are you trying to tell us here?

That you are an idiot.

Ah, a name caller. Well, ok then. You sure won that argument on the
merits.


No, just stating the obvious.

Yes, it's quite obvious what you are and why you're doing
it... PWCER!!!!

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Such anger. And my PWC has 350 CID and 330 hp. Big PWC.

Oh Billy,

What you have is still a little toy boat with the same engine my mother
had in her station wagon.

If it is a powered vessel less that 10kdwt or not over 4khp I won't even
list it my log as sea time.

You really should go take a safe boating course somewhere - anywhere.
In the mean time, if you really want to learn - go to

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/navrules.htm

and buy or download a real copy of COMDTINST M16672.2
(by-the-by nothing you have said is supported between the covers.)

A man of much experience once said to me "The only thing required to run
one of those little motorboats is a credit rating."

Matt Colie
Lifelong Waterman and Licensed Mariner (Chf Stm & Mtr, Pilot 10k Grt Lks,
Mst VUS Offshore 100t)


So you are a drunk also.

Oh billy,
Again you show your true capability.
Please, quit while you still can.
You have demonstrated a amazingly clear lack of any understanding of the
sited Colregs. (This was a part of the exams for the cert listed.)
And, you have answered and proved finally and personaly to me a long
standing standing question I have had:

If man had not invented canned beer, would anybody have ever bother to
develop recreational powerboats?

You have just given proof positive on that account.

Now go play with your little toy boat that takes no skill to operate (so
impaired judgement is not and issue - so you believe - i.e. requires much
less capability than any sailing dink) and has less horse power than my
engines need to just crank (about a third of a bow thruster)and be sure
you watch out for those dangerous sailboats out there.

Demand your rights on the water and please, tell all teh good people here
what water you inhabit so we may avoid your kingdom.

Matt - see prior sig


So you turn when a sailboat crosses in front of your ship?



You sound 5 short blasts, go hard astern and turn. That's all you can do.

Doing nothing is not an option.

Gary

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.. .



Yeah, so? What's your point? I know the regs and clearly you can
quote
them. What are you trying to tell us here?

That you are an idiot.

Ah, a name caller. Well, ok then. You sure won that argument on the
merits.


No, just stating the obvious.

Yes, it's quite obvious what you are and why you're doing
it... PWCER!!!!

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Such anger. And my PWC has 350 CID and 330 hp. Big PWC.

Oh Billy,

What you have is still a little toy boat with the same engine my mother
had in her station wagon.

If it is a powered vessel less that 10kdwt or not over 4khp I won't
even list it my log as sea time.

You really should go take a safe boating course somewhere - anywhere.
In the mean time, if you really want to learn - go to

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/navrules.htm

and buy or download a real copy of COMDTINST M16672.2
(by-the-by nothing you have said is supported between the covers.)

A man of much experience once said to me "The only thing required to
run one of those little motorboats is a credit rating."

Matt Colie
Lifelong Waterman and Licensed Mariner (Chf Stm & Mtr, Pilot 10k Grt
Lks, Mst VUS Offshore 100t)


So you are a drunk also.

Oh billy,
Again you show your true capability.
Please, quit while you still can.
You have demonstrated a amazingly clear lack of any understanding of the
sited Colregs. (This was a part of the exams for the cert listed.)
And, you have answered and proved finally and personaly to me a long
standing standing question I have had:

If man had not invented canned beer, would anybody have ever bother to
develop recreational powerboats?

You have just given proof positive on that account.

Now go play with your little toy boat that takes no skill to operate (so
impaired judgement is not and issue - so you believe - i.e. requires much
less capability than any sailing dink) and has less horse power than my
engines need to just crank (about a third of a bow thruster)and be sure
you watch out for those dangerous sailboats out there.

Demand your rights on the water and please, tell all teh good people here
what water you inhabit so we may avoid your kingdom.

Matt - see prior sig


So you turn when a sailboat crosses in front of your ship?

You sound 5 short blasts, go hard astern and turn. That's all you can do.

Doing nothing is not an option.

Gary

And you put your tanker on the rocks entering San Francisco bay.

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
. ..




Yeah, so? What's your point? I know the regs and clearly you can
quote
them. What are you trying to tell us here?

That you are an idiot.

Ah, a name caller. Well, ok then. You sure won that argument on the
merits.


No, just stating the obvious.

Yes, it's quite obvious what you are and why you're doing
it... PWCER!!!!

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Such anger. And my PWC has 350 CID and 330 hp. Big PWC.

Oh Billy,

What you have is still a little toy boat with the same engine my mother
had in her station wagon.

If it is a powered vessel less that 10kdwt or not over 4khp I won't
even list it my log as sea time.

You really should go take a safe boating course somewhere - anywhere.
In the mean time, if you really want to learn - go to

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/navrules.htm

and buy or download a real copy of COMDTINST M16672.2
(by-the-by nothing you have said is supported between the covers.)

A man of much experience once said to me "The only thing required to
run one of those little motorboats is a credit rating."

Matt Colie
Lifelong Waterman and Licensed Mariner (Chf Stm & Mtr, Pilot 10k Grt
Lks, Mst VUS Offshore 100t)


So you are a drunk also.

Oh billy,
Again you show your true capability.
Please, quit while you still can.
You have demonstrated a amazingly clear lack of any understanding of the
sited Colregs. (This was a part of the exams for the cert listed.)
And, you have answered and proved finally and personaly to me a long
standing standing question I have had:

If man had not invented canned beer, would anybody have ever bother to
develop recreational powerboats?

You have just given proof positive on that account.

Now go play with your little toy boat that takes no skill to operate (so
impaired judgement is not and issue - so you believe - i.e. requires much
less capability than any sailing dink) and has less horse power than my
engines need to just crank (about a third of a bow thruster)and be sure
you watch out for those dangerous sailboats out there.

Demand your rights on the water and please, tell all teh good people here
what water you inhabit so we may avoid your kingdom.

Matt - see prior sig


So you turn when a sailboat crosses in front of your ship?

You sound 5 short blasts, go hard astern and turn. That's all you can do.

Doing nothing is not an option.

Gary


And you put your tanker on the rocks entering San Francisco bay.


Sure, we are all that stupid.

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Yeah, so? What's your point? I know the regs and clearly you
can quote
them. What are you trying to tell us here?

That you are an idiot.

Ah, a name caller. Well, ok then. You sure won that argument on
the
merits.


No, just stating the obvious.

Yes, it's quite obvious what you are and why you're doing
it... PWCER!!!!

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Such anger. And my PWC has 350 CID and 330 hp. Big PWC.

Oh Billy,

What you have is still a little toy boat with the same engine my
mother had in her station wagon.

If it is a powered vessel less that 10kdwt or not over 4khp I won't
even list it my log as sea time.

You really should go take a safe boating course somewhere - anywhere.
In the mean time, if you really want to learn - go to

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/navrules.htm

and buy or download a real copy of COMDTINST M16672.2
(by-the-by nothing you have said is supported between the covers.)

A man of much experience once said to me "The only thing required to
run one of those little motorboats is a credit rating."

Matt Colie
Lifelong Waterman and Licensed Mariner (Chf Stm & Mtr, Pilot 10k Grt
Lks, Mst VUS Offshore 100t)


So you are a drunk also.

Oh billy,
Again you show your true capability.
Please, quit while you still can.
You have demonstrated a amazingly clear lack of any understanding of
the sited Colregs. (This was a part of the exams for the cert listed.)
And, you have answered and proved finally and personaly to me a long
standing standing question I have had:

If man had not invented canned beer, would anybody have ever bother to
develop recreational powerboats?

You have just given proof positive on that account.

Now go play with your little toy boat that takes no skill to operate
(so impaired judgement is not and issue - so you believe - i.e.
requires much less capability than any sailing dink) and has less horse
power than my engines need to just crank (about a third of a bow
thruster)and be sure you watch out for those dangerous sailboats out
there.

Demand your rights on the water and please, tell all teh good people
here what water you inhabit so we may avoid your kingdom.

Matt - see prior sig


So you turn when a sailboat crosses in front of your ship?

You sound 5 short blasts, go hard astern and turn. That's all you can
do.

Doing nothing is not an option.

Gary


And you put your tanker on the rocks entering San Francisco bay.
Sure, we are all that stupid.

Sounds like you are.

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On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 06:34:14 GMT, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


Doing nothing is not an option.

Gary


And you put your tanker on the rocks entering San Francisco bay.
Sure, we are all that stupid.

Sounds like you are.
[Bill]


I am tired of hearing you two bicker. Why don't you cut rec.boats.
building and rec.boats.cruising from your distribution?
Please?

PLEASE?

Brian Whatcott
p.s. You are both traceable - don't get me mad.