Jet Ski overheating problem
 

In article . net, Bill
McKee wrote:

"Larry" wrote in message
...
Jeff wrote in
:

proper to pass within 15 feet of boats doing 25 MPH shouldn't be out
there.


It's 50 ft in South Carolina...just like for a dock. 200' from the
marina.

--
Larry

I guess you never pass on a 2 lane road. Both oncoming and same direction
traffic.

What does this have to your dangerous overtaking practice? Nothing.

It's damn obvious that you don't understand the Colregs and have no
intention of accepting that you are *wrong*.

PDW

Jet Ski overheating problem
 

In article . net, Bill
McKee wrote:

"Don White" wrote in message
...
Bill McKee wrote:



No, it was a 25' sailboat under power. A powerboat. They then raised
sails, while motor is still running and made a 90 degree turn in front of
me. Still a powerboat. And I guess DSK would argue that it is a
sailboat at all times.

How long are you gonna beat this dead horse? You should have raised the
sailboat on VHF...bet you could have talked him to death.

Seems as if you and yours are beating it to death. If there was time to
raise him on the VHF, we would have been a lot further apart when he turned.

Yeah, and if you hadn't instituted a dangerously close overtaking
manoeuvre, there would have been plenty of time and there wouldn't have
been a problem.

Have you got the idea yet? You were wrong.

PDW

Jet Ski overheating problem
 

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
. ..
In article . net, Bill
McKee wrote:

"Larry" wrote in message
...
Jeff wrote in
:

proper to pass within 15 feet of boats doing 25 MPH shouldn't be out
there.


It's 50 ft in South Carolina...just like for a dock. 200' from the
marina.

--
Larry

I guess you never pass on a 2 lane road. Both oncoming and same
direction
traffic.

What does this have to your dangerous overtaking practice? Nothing.

It's damn obvious that you don't understand the Colregs and have no
intention of accepting that you are *wrong*.

PDW

I was not wrong for several reasons. Number one is the other boat was also
a powerboat. Did not matter if it had sails up or not, it had its motor
running. And the road analogy is the same as ColRegs require. You have to
not make unsafe turns. If I am passing, the other boat has to continue in
the same direction. 17, a, i .

Jet Ski overheating problem
 

Whether you are wrong in the passing situation is debatable. What is not
debatable is the alienation you've achieved on this boat building
group/list.

That said, you might check some of the many books on maritime law. It's
quite different from that administered on land. Among other things, it
assigns blame (costs) as a function of the degree of guilt. It's not the
winner take all game played on land.

I'm surprised no one has brought up the mandatory sound signals involved in
a crossing (including overtaking) situation. Until communications are
established, one should assume nothing about the "burdened" vessel.

How does the old Burma Shave jingle go? "He was right, dead right as he
sped along. Now he's just as dead as if he'd been wrong."

Roger

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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
. ..
In article . net, Bill
McKee wrote:

"Larry" wrote in message
...
Jeff wrote in
:

proper to pass within 15 feet of boats doing 25 MPH shouldn't be out
there.


It's 50 ft in South Carolina...just like for a dock. 200' from the
marina.

--
Larry

I guess you never pass on a 2 lane road. Both oncoming and same
direction
traffic.

What does this have to your dangerous overtaking practice? Nothing.

It's damn obvious that you don't understand the Colregs and have no
intention of accepting that you are *wrong*.

PDW

I was not wrong for several reasons. Number one is the other boat was
also a powerboat. Did not matter if it had sails up or not, it had its
motor running. And the road analogy is the same as ColRegs require. You
have to not make unsafe turns. If I am passing, the other boat has to
continue in the same direction. 17, a, i .

Jet Ski overheating problem
 

In article . net,
Roger Derby wrote:
Whether you are wrong in the passing situation is debatable. What is not
debatable is the alienation you've achieved on this boat building
group/list.

That said, you might check some of the many books on maritime law. It's
quite different from that administered on land. Among other things, it
assigns blame (costs) as a function of the degree of guilt. It's not the
winner take all game played on land.

I'm surprised no one has brought up the mandatory sound signals involved in
a crossing (including overtaking) situation. Until communications are
established, one should assume nothing about the "burdened" vessel.

How does the old Burma Shave jingle go? "He was right, dead right as he
sped along. Now he's just as dead as if he'd been wrong."

Roger

I think someone did but probably dropped the cross post. I've been
trying to do that after being chided about this having not a lot to do
with boat building... maybe rebuilding? g

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

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"Roger Derby" wrote in message
ink.net...
Whether you are wrong in the passing situation is debatable. What is not
debatable is the alienation you've achieved on this boat building
group/list.

That said, you might check some of the many books on maritime law. It's
quite different from that administered on land. Among other things, it
assigns blame (costs) as a function of the degree of guilt. It's not the
winner take all game played on land.

I'm surprised no one has brought up the mandatory sound signals involved
in a crossing (including overtaking) situation. Until communications are
established, one should assume nothing about the "burdened" vessel.

How does the old Burma Shave jingle go? "He was right, dead right as he
sped along. Now he's just as dead as if he'd been wrong."

Roger

http://home.earthlink.net/~derbyrm
"Bill McKee" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
. ..
In article . net, Bill
McKee wrote:

"Larry" wrote in message
...
Jeff wrote in
:

proper to pass within 15 feet of boats doing 25 MPH shouldn't be out
there.


It's 50 ft in South Carolina...just like for a dock. 200' from the
marina.

--
Larry

I guess you never pass on a 2 lane road. Both oncoming and same
direction
traffic.

What does this have to your dangerous overtaking practice? Nothing.

It's damn obvious that you don't understand the Colregs and have no
intention of accepting that you are *wrong*.

PDW

I was not wrong for several reasons. Number one is the other boat was
also a powerboat. Did not matter if it had sails up or not, it had its
motor running. And the road analogy is the same as ColRegs require. You
have to not make unsafe turns. If I am passing, the other boat has to
continue in the same direction. 17, a, i .


Then you clip the distribution list. I only reply all.

Jet Ski overheating problem
 

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
. ..

Nobody but a complete idiot would get within less than one boat length
of another vessel while overtaking, unless it was a narrow channel
where there was no choice, and *then* you'd do it at slow speed. This


I guess most sailboaters are idiot then

Jet Ski overheating problem
 

Nobody but a complete idiot would get within less than one boat length
of another vessel while overtaking, unless it was a narrow channel
where there was no choice, and *then* you'd do it at slow speed. This
with emphasis when there is a huge relative speed difference. You're
ignoring all the other bits of the Colregs - did you sound the
appropriate signals and get an acknowledgement? No? Were you travelling
at a speed that enabled you to avoid collision in the event of an
unexpected change of course? Only just and that by good luck. There are
a lot of reasons why a sailboat may change course, running into shoal
water being just one of them.

You are dangerously ignorant and a menace to other watercraft. I saw an
idiot just like you the other day go at high speed right between 2
boats drift fishing when he had some 5 nautical miles of width to pick
from. There is no excuse for this sort of behaviour. If I'd been on the
sailboat, I'd have reported you for endangering my vessel.

PDW

In article . net, Bill
McKee wrote:

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
. ..
In article . net, Bill
McKee wrote:

"Larry" wrote in message
...
Jeff wrote in
:

proper to pass within 15 feet of boats doing 25 MPH shouldn't be out
there.


It's 50 ft in South Carolina...just like for a dock. 200' from the
marina.

--
Larry

I guess you never pass on a 2 lane road. Both oncoming and same
direction
traffic.

What does this have to your dangerous overtaking practice? Nothing.

It's damn obvious that you don't understand the Colregs and have no
intention of accepting that you are *wrong*.

PDW

I was not wrong for several reasons. Number one is the other boat was also
a powerboat. Did not matter if it had sails up or not, it had its motor
running. And the road analogy is the same as ColRegs require. You have to
not make unsafe turns. If I am passing, the other boat has to continue in
the same direction. 17, a, i .

Jet Ski overheating problem
 

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
. ..

Nobody but a complete idiot would get within less than one boat length
of another vessel while overtaking, unless it was a narrow channel
where there was no choice, and *then* you'd do it at slow speed.



Peter, the ability to think is not one of Bill's McKee's attributes. He
keeps on insisting that only his thoughts are correct when he is completely
wrong. He can't even read and comprehend what is in the Collision
Regulations.


"Jim Carter" wrote in message
...

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Jim Carter" wrote in message
...

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
ink.net...
I was not wrong for several reasons. Number one is the other boat was
also
a powerboat. Did not matter if it had sails up or not, it had its
motor
running. And the road analogy is the same as ColRegs require. You
have
to
not make unsafe turns. If I am passing, the other boat has to
continue
in
the same direction. 17, a, i .

Bill. A sailboat is still a sailboat, even if the motor is running.
It
has to be in gear with the propulsion machinery in motion to be
classified
as a power boat. There are many reasons for a sailboat to have the
motor
running and not in gear. Recharging batteries, running a motor driven
pump
or other on board device not pertaining to the propulsion of the
vessel.

You are still at fault for being too fast and too close if you collide
with
the sailboat. Do you not have enough brain power to comprehend this?

Jim C.



He was not a sailboat. Motor running, not a sailboat. If I put up a
little
sail, and go along at 50 miles per hour in a gofast boat, and kick it in
to
neutral just before I ram another boat, it is ok? I am now a sail boat.

Bill, lets make this real simple so that your little brain can absorb
this.

Under the official "Collision Regulations" which some people use the
misnomer "rules of the road" you will find a section Schedule 1
(sections
3 & 4 ) Part A-General Rule 3 called "General Definitions" (c )

The term "sailing vessel" means any vessel under sail provided that the
propelling machinery, if fitted, is not being used.


Bill, now is the time to get your brain in gear! Do you understand what
was written in the Collision Regulations, that I have provided for you,
in
the above? Read it one more time! Notice that it does not mention
anything about the motor running. Notice that it is written "propelling
machinery, if fitted, is not being used." Bill, do you comprehend what
"propelling machinery" is? It is what drives the boat forward. The
propeller! Got that Bill? Do you understand it now. Get this in your
mind. A "sailboat" can have it's engine running, for many different
reasons, and not be driving the "propelling machinery" which is the
clutch,
transmission, drive shaft, propeller., etc.,..

Jim C.

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Bill McKee wrote:
"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
. ..

Nobody but a complete idiot would get within less than one boat length
of another vessel while overtaking, unless it was a narrow channel
where there was no choice, and *then* you'd do it at slow speed. This



I guess most sailboaters are idiot then


If you believe that...sell your boat and stay off the water. It's not
safe out there!

Jet Ski overheating problem
 

Peter,
Please do not encourage him. Trying to teach a pig to sing.....
He has only just started to read Colregs and then only the parts he
wants. Just keep him away from the legislators or else he will start
calling for direction signals (that he probably does not use in his pick
up) and brake lights (how we get brakes is yet to be determined).
If you think people like this are a not to be carefully watched over by
a competent adult, remember that in several states it is now non-lawful
to be on the foredeck underway.
Matt Colie A.Sloop "Bonne Ide'e"
Lifelong Waterman, Licnesed Mariner and Congenital Sailor

Roger Derby wrote:
Whether you are wrong in the passing situation is debatable. What is not
debatable is the alienation you've achieved on this boat building
group/list.

That said, you might check some of the many books on maritime law. It's
quite different from that administered on land. Among other things, it
assigns blame (costs) as a function of the degree of guilt. It's not the
winner take all game played on land.

I'm surprised no one has brought up the mandatory sound signals involved in
a crossing (including overtaking) situation. Until communications are
established, one should assume nothing about the "burdened" vessel.

How does the old Burma Shave jingle go? "He was right, dead right as he
sped along. Now he's just as dead as if he'd been wrong."

Roger

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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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In article . net, Bill
McKee wrote:


"Larry" wrote in message
...

Jeff wrote in
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proper to pass within 15 feet of boats doing 25 MPH shouldn't be out
there.


It's 50 ft in South Carolina...just like for a dock. 200' from the
marina.

--
Larry

I guess you never pass on a 2 lane road. Both oncoming and same
direction
traffic.

What does this have to your dangerous overtaking practice? Nothing.

It's damn obvious that you don't understand the Colregs and have no
intention of accepting that you are *wrong*.

PDW

I was not wrong for several reasons. Number one is the other boat was
also a powerboat. Did not matter if it had sails up or not, it had its
motor running. And the road analogy is the same as ColRegs require. You
have to not make unsafe turns. If I am passing, the other boat has to
continue in the same direction. 17, a, i .

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"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
. ..
In article , Matt Colie
wrote:

Peter,
Please do not encourage him. Trying to teach a pig to sing.....
He has only just started to read Colregs and then only the parts he
wants.

Yeah, ok. I was going to ask him where on the planet you're allowed to
drive at 200 to 300 mph a couple feet away from a vehicle travelling at
50 mph, but that'd no doubt go over his head too.

Let's hope he argues with a big ship.

PDW

Planet Earth. And I am not a sailboater, so know I do not have the "right
of way" over large ships.

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5. Nomen Nescio
Oct 23, 7:20 pm show options

Newsgroups: alt.sport.jet-ski, rec.boats.building, rec.boats.cruising
From: Nomen Nescio ] -
"



Yes. You need to take your jet ski to an acid dip facility
and leave it in over night. Encourage your friends to do
the same.



This is hateful, childish, and just plain mean spirited.

There is NO place for this kind of behavior here, or anywhere
else that may be connected with sailing, cruising, or water sports.


A fellow mariner asked a legitimate question, to which you chose to respond in a snide and insulting way. Just because you don't like his choice of vessel, you think you have the right to be dismissive and rude. That is plain wrong.


I'm appalled and ashamed (for you) that you would act this
way. You are the kind that gives the rest of us a bad reputation.


Yeah, another statistic of a "hate crime"

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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
ink.net...



Planet Earth. And I am not a sailboater, so know I do not have the "right
of way" over large ships.

Mebbe, mebbe not.

otn

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In article , Matt Colie
wrote:

Peter,
Please do not encourage him. Trying to teach a pig to sing.....
He has only just started to read Colregs and then only the parts he
wants.

Yeah, ok. I was going to ask him where on the planet you're allowed to
drive at 200 to 300 mph a couple feet away from a vehicle travelling at
50 mph, but that'd no doubt go over his head too.

Let's hope he argues with a big ship.

PDW

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"otnmbrd" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
ink.net...



Planet Earth. And I am not a sailboater, so know I do not have the
"right of way" over large ships.

Mebbe, mebbe not.

otn


Who has "right of way"?

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Bill McKee wrote:
"otnmbrd" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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Planet Earth. And I am not a sailboater, so know I do not have the
"right of way" over large ships.

Mebbe, mebbe not.

otn



Who has "right of way"?


Need more info.

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"Bill McKee" wrote

And I am not a sailboater


That is blatantly obvious.

SBV

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"Bill McKee" wrote


Who has "right of way"?


No one.

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"Gary" wrote in message
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Bill McKee wrote:
"otnmbrd" wrote in message
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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Planet Earth. And I am not a sailboater, so know I do not have the
"right of way" over large ships.

Mebbe, mebbe not.

otn



Who has "right of way"?
Need more info.

Trick question. There is no "right of way".

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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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"otnmbrd" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
ink.net...



Planet Earth. And I am not a sailboater, so know I do not have the
"right of way" over large ships.

Mebbe, mebbe not.

otn


Who has "right of way"?


Technically, the term "right of way" is wrong (exception noted), but to be
honest, who is "stand on" and who is "give way" depends on the
circumstances.
EG Then again, if I was on a ship and you were buzzing around me on a PWC
.......... depends on the circumstances...............

otn

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"Scotty" wrote in message
...

"Bill McKee" wrote


Who has "right of way"?


No one.



Bingo!

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"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
. ..
In article et,
otnmbrd wrote:

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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"otnmbrd" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
ink.net...



Planet Earth. And I am not a sailboater, so know I do not have the
"right of way" over large ships.

Mebbe, mebbe not.

otn


Who has "right of way"?


Technically, the term "right of way" is wrong (exception noted), but to
be
honest, who is "stand on" and who is "give way" depends on the
circumstances.
EG Then again, if I was on a ship and you were buzzing around me on a
PWC
......... depends on the circumstances...............

Yeah - what your minimum turning radius on full power was.....

PDW

Yup, you attack a jetski, try to run it over or point a gun at it and
someone has video. Say goodby to your boat, your house, your investments.

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Bill McKee wrote:

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
. ..

In article et,
otnmbrd wrote:


"Bill McKee" wrote in message
ink.net...

"otnmbrd" wrote in message
thlink.net...

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
arthlink.net...



Planet Earth. And I am not a sailboater, so know I do not have the
"right of way" over large ships.

Mebbe, mebbe not.

otn


Who has "right of way"?


Technically, the term "right of way" is wrong (exception noted), but to
be
honest, who is "stand on" and who is "give way" depends on the
circumstances.
EG Then again, if I was on a ship and you were buzzing around me on a
PWC
......... depends on the circumstances...............

Yeah - what your minimum turning radius on full power was.....

PDW

Yup, you attack a jetski, try to run it over or point a gun at it and
someone has video. Say goodby to your boat, your house, your investments.


Video on a jetski? Fat chance, and the video we get will be of a
mosquito running into our bow eye, and then dissapearing below the
waves. The tape will probably follow.

A sail boat cannot catch or get away from a jetski, and a dog would
do better to not catch a car.

Harrassment is harrassment. Why do you think we have a requirement
for boat licenses, now?

PWCs is why, and stupid PWC drivers.

Old sailors know how to stay away from tankers, mostley. How do you
think they got old? Tankers don't bother reporting smashed
sailboats, or PWCs, even if they do notice. Got the picture?

As Red Green says "Keep your stick on the ice." As I say, "Don't
tug on Superman's cape, and don't mess around with Jim."

Your widow will have to explain your stupidity to substantiate and
justify her claim for your rightfully lost income. My insurance will
probably cover it. Go ahead, be an ass hole.

Don't, for heavan's sake, even consider taking your smart pills. I
tell you this in the hope you will stubbornly and stupidly disobey
me, for your own good. We all love you, honest.

If you run between a sailboat and a side channel, the sailboat has
the right to turn from the main to the side channel, when and how
appropriate, considering currents and shallows and winds local to
the sailboat, of which you are probably completely unaware, and you
better keep out of the way, well clear overtaking, auxiliary engine
charging batteries or not. The wind steers a sailboat, and if you
can't undersand that, you will wind up in the Darwin Award list,
along with all the other mental midgets. Food for sea worms, Billy.
Right, or just dead right, it probably won't matter much to me.

An auxiliary engine in a sail boat cannot propel or control the boat
in the same way as do the sails in a wind. Engine on idle and
neutral, charging a radio battery, or running full blast foreward to
assist navigating a boat in the teeth of a gust, the sailor is
struggling with the wind, stealing a free ride for pleasure, and you
are not allowed to choose to try to slide by close and fast,
unconcious in the hope that nothing untoward will happen. A
sailboat's auxiliary engine may have 15 HP, but the wind has
thousands of wild horesepower available. As Captain of your vessel,
you are expected to undertand the realities of maritime navigation,
deep or shallow, sail and power, flying fish, whale, deadhead or
pedestrian swimmer / survivor. It is your responsibility to
undertand and act appropriately to avoid a collision if at all
possible, right or wrong, now and well in advance. The Logic Of The
Universe will prevail. Disobey Poseidon and die. Die anyway.

Dead or alive, sailboats have the right to essentially ignore most
pleasure power boats. Most of us would never purpously fly into
cumulus granitus, staute or mobile, afloat or sunk. Try it before
you decry it.

Oh, I give up. Common sense isn't, and as a Samurai up against the
impossible, for relief, I invoke Godwin's law. You are a nazi
asshole, you are, and an insistant and stubborn, stupid, bullet
headed one, to boot. I quit. I didn't care, anyway. What's one more
or less PWC?

Walk the plank. Kiss the gunner's mate. Suck the ocean. Feed the
fish. Marry Davey Jones. Say "Goodbye, Yank." H'Ri-Kiri would be
such a relief, please try it.

But at least it was on topic! Buy me a saki, you foreign devil, you;-)

NI!

Terry K

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In article et,
otnmbrd wrote:

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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"otnmbrd" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
ink.net...



Planet Earth. And I am not a sailboater, so know I do not have the
"right of way" over large ships.

Mebbe, mebbe not.

otn


Who has "right of way"?


Technically, the term "right of way" is wrong (exception noted), but to be
honest, who is "stand on" and who is "give way" depends on the
circumstances.
EG Then again, if I was on a ship and you were buzzing around me on a PWC
......... depends on the circumstances...............

Yeah - what your minimum turning radius on full power was.....

PDW

Jet Ski overheating problem
 

Bill McKee wrote:
....

Yup, you attack a jetski, try to run it over or point a gun at it and
someone has video. Say goodby to your boat, your house, your investments.

Actually there was such a case in Maine a few years ago. The judge
threw it out and the CG lost a lot of respect from the boating
community. The sailor ended up with probation for "illegal storage."

Jet Ski overheating problem
 

Why do you think we have a requirement
for boat licenses, now?

We do? Who does? Where? (Seriously, I missed that.)

PWCs is why, and stupid PWC drivers.

Well, I know that we non-stupid ones have campaigned
successfully for mandatory education and certification for pwc
operators, the results have been terrific (lower accident and injury
statistics in the states that have these laws now, and better-informed,
less-clueless newbies on the water, plus far fewer renters which
are the source of a a huge proportion of pwc problems)....and that
we also support and campaign for (less successfully so far) similar
requirements
for all other boaters as well for the same reasons.

So, where is the boat licensing requirement in effect - and don't you
think
it's a good idea? Seems like a no-brainer to me.

richforman

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"Terry Spragg" wrote in message
.. .
Bill McKee wrote:

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
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In article et,
otnmbrd wrote:


"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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Planet Earth. And I am not a sailboater, so know I do not have the
"right of way" over large ships.

Mebbe, mebbe not.

otn


Who has "right of way"?


Technically, the term "right of way" is wrong (exception noted), but to
be
honest, who is "stand on" and who is "give way" depends on the
circumstances.
EG Then again, if I was on a ship and you were buzzing around me on a
PWC
......... depends on the circumstances...............

Yeah - what your minimum turning radius on full power was.....

PDW

Yup, you attack a jetski, try to run it over or point a gun at it and
someone has video. Say goodby to your boat, your house, your
investments.

Video on a jetski? Fat chance, and the video we get will be of a mosquito
running into our bow eye, and then dissapearing below the waves. The tape
will probably follow.

A sail boat cannot catch or get away from a jetski, and a dog would do
better to not catch a car.

Harrassment is harrassment. Why do you think we have a requirement for
boat licenses, now?

PWCs is why, and stupid PWC drivers.

Old sailors know how to stay away from tankers, mostley. How do you think
they got old? Tankers don't bother reporting smashed sailboats, or PWCs,
even if they do notice. Got the picture?

As Red Green says "Keep your stick on the ice." As I say, "Don't tug on
Superman's cape, and don't mess around with Jim."

Your widow will have to explain your stupidity to substantiate and justify
her claim for your rightfully lost income. My insurance will probably
cover it. Go ahead, be an ass hole.

Don't, for heavan's sake, even consider taking your smart pills. I tell
you this in the hope you will stubbornly and stupidly disobey me, for your
own good. We all love you, honest.

If you run between a sailboat and a side channel, the sailboat has the
right to turn from the main to the side channel, when and how appropriate,
considering currents and shallows and winds local to the sailboat, of
which you are probably completely unaware, and you better keep out of the
way, well clear overtaking, auxiliary engine charging batteries or not.
The wind steers a sailboat, and if you can't undersand that, you will wind
up in the Darwin Award list, along with all the other mental midgets. Food
for sea worms, Billy. Right, or just dead right, it probably won't matter
much to me.

An auxiliary engine in a sail boat cannot propel or control the boat in
the same way as do the sails in a wind. Engine on idle and neutral,
charging a radio battery, or running full blast foreward to assist
navigating a boat in the teeth of a gust, the sailor is struggling with
the wind, stealing a free ride for pleasure, and you are not allowed to
choose to try to slide by close and fast, unconcious in the hope that
nothing untoward will happen. A sailboat's auxiliary engine may have 15
HP, but the wind has thousands of wild horesepower available. As Captain
of your vessel, you are expected to undertand the realities of maritime
navigation, deep or shallow, sail and power, flying fish, whale, deadhead
or pedestrian swimmer / survivor. It is your responsibility to undertand
and act appropriately to avoid a collision if at all possible, right or
wrong, now and well in advance. The Logic Of The Universe will prevail.
Disobey Poseidon and die. Die anyway.

Dead or alive, sailboats have the right to essentially ignore most
pleasure power boats. Most of us would never purpously fly into cumulus
granitus, staute or mobile, afloat or sunk. Try it before you decry it.

Oh, I give up. Common sense isn't, and as a Samurai up against the
impossible, for relief, I invoke Godwin's law. You are a nazi asshole, you
are, and an insistant and stubborn, stupid, bullet headed one, to boot. I
quit. I didn't care, anyway. What's one more or less PWC?

Walk the plank. Kiss the gunner's mate. Suck the ocean. Feed the fish.
Marry Davey Jones. Say "Goodbye, Yank." H'Ri-Kiri would be such a relief,
please try it.

But at least it was on topic! Buy me a saki, you foreign devil, you;-)

NI!

Terry K


Was on topic, but sailboats can not turn as wanted, the rest of the world be
damned.

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"Bill McKee" wrote
sailboats can not turn as wanted, the rest of the world be
damned.


Bill's rule #132.43 ?

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Bill McKee wrote:

Was on topic, but sailboats can not turn as wanted, the rest of the world be
damned.

And yet, you claim the right to pass within a few feet of a boat doing
30 mph, the rest of the world be damned. Would you care to tell us
the turning radius of your boat at that speed, or how how well you can
control it if you release the throttle?

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Would you care to tell us
the turning radius of your boat at that speed, or how how well you can
control it if you release the throttle?

As with all jet BOATS (PWC or otherwise)... when you completely let off of
the throttle you lose the majority of your steering capability. Not all..
but most. That's why PWC riders match their throttle position to their
speed, to maintain steering capability. Of course, the PWC manufacturers
realized that this was a shortcoming and invented things like OPAS
(Off-Power Steering Assist).

Sailboats on the other hand... well that's a sad story. When they become
becalmed or lose sail they lose all navigational abilities (short of firing
up their engines.. if they have them). They're nothing more than floating
buoys at the whim and will of the currents. And that's why, on a sadly
regular basis, they block navigation channels, run into piers and moorings,
and go aground. And that's also why I spend a substantial portion of my
boating season tugging these poor guys around the lake.... with my lowly
PWC.

After all... we're all BOATERS... and it's the right thing to do.

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"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
Bill McKee wrote:

Was on topic, but sailboats can not turn as wanted, the rest of the world
be damned.

And yet, you claim the right to pass within a few feet of a boat doing 30
mph, the rest of the world be damned. Would you care to tell us the
turning radius of your boat at that speed, or how how well you can control
it if you release the throttle?

Throttle off, no control, turning radius about a boat length.

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Billy knows he has the right to do what ever he pleases - he has a
credit rating.

Really, this thread has been a big eye openner, I used to think water
lice were just annoying because the drivers (not pilot or helmsman)
didn't know any better.

By-the-by billy look it up, a couple of years ago a day schooner master
fired his relic pistol at a pwc that had gotten too close. The Coast
Guard investigated and cited him for not properly storing the gun powder
he had on board.

Matt Colie a proud Waterman and Licensed Mariner



Bill McKee wrote:
"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..

Bill McKee wrote:


Was on topic, but sailboats can not turn as wanted, the rest of the world
be damned.

And yet, you claim the right to pass within a few feet of a boat doing 30
mph, the rest of the world be damned. Would you care to tell us the
turning radius of your boat at that speed, or how how well you can control
it if you release the throttle?


Throttle off, no control, turning radius about a boat length.

Jet Ski overheating problem
 

And what did the civil court award to the PWC? And you figure your motor is
not propelling equipment?

"Matt Colie" wrote in message
...
Billy knows he has the right to do what ever he pleases - he has a credit
rating.

Really, this thread has been a big eye openner, I used to think water lice
were just annoying because the drivers (not pilot or helmsman) didn't know
any better.

By-the-by billy look it up, a couple of years ago a day schooner master
fired his relic pistol at a pwc that had gotten too close. The Coast
Guard investigated and cited him for not properly storing the gun powder
he had on board.

Matt Colie a proud Waterman and Licensed Mariner



Bill McKee wrote:
"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..

Bill McKee wrote:


Was on topic, but sailboats can not turn as wanted, the rest of the
world be damned.

And yet, you claim the right to pass within a few feet of a boat doing 30
mph, the rest of the world be damned. Would you care to tell us the
turning radius of your boat at that speed, or how how well you can
control it if you release the throttle?


Throttle off, no control, turning radius about a boat length.

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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
nk.net...
And what did the civil court award to the PWC? And you figure your motor
is not propelling equipment?

I don't know what he figures, but unless my motor, running or not, is
turning my propeller whilst sailing for the express purpose of moving my
vessel, then I am a sailboat.

otn

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"otnmbrd" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
nk.net...
And what did the civil court award to the PWC? And you figure your motor
is not propelling equipment?

I don't know what he figures, but unless my motor, running or not, is
turning my propeller whilst sailing for the express purpose of moving my
vessel, then I am a sailboat.

otn


Better do a little research.

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"Bill McKee" wrote in
ink.net:


"otnmbrd" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
nk.net...
And what did the civil court award to the PWC? And you figure your
motor is not propelling equipment?

I don't know what he figures, but unless my motor, running or not, is
turning my propeller whilst sailing for the express purpose of moving
my vessel, then I am a sailboat.

otn


Better do a little research.


Show proof as to why.

otn

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"Bill McKee" wrote


Better do a little research.


OH , THE IRONY !!!!!!!!


SBV

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"otnmbrd" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
nk.net...
And what did the civil court award to the PWC? And you figure your
motor
is not propelling equipment?

I don't know what he figures, but unless my motor, running or not, is
turning my propeller whilst sailing for the express purpose of moving my
vessel, then I am a sailboat.

otn
According to Admiralty Law, and the Collision Regulations, you are correct
in saying that your vessel is a sailboat when the engine is running but not
propelling the vessel.

James D. Carter
"The Boat"
Bayfield

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at least it was on topic!

NI!

Terry K

Bill McKee wrote:
Was on topic, but sailboats can not turn as wanted, the rest of the world be
damned. Bill McKee wrote:

Throttle off, no control, turning radius about a boat length.


Well, if you put it that way, it sounds like it should be right, and
logically, it is exactly correct, and if you read what you wrote,
you may see why it is so funny, that you bite your own tail.
Sailboats can not just turn, (or not turn,) as wanted. They are
overpowered by the wind all the time. The wind blows sailboats
around like leaves sometimes. As a mariner, you are expected to
understand that, anticipate it, and survive the hazards anyway.

Overtaking vessels must keep clear, sail or power. If they cannot,
they must slow down to a safe speed, even stop. Chewy beans.

You are expected and required to understand sail and power, and all
their constraints, or stay home.

Sailboats flop about out of control from time to time, motor on or
off, whenever the sails are up and the wind is alive, it is the
nature of the game: 15 HP auxiliary engines, thousand HP wild winds,
waves, sails, ropes, winches, flying fish, nature, etc, etc. You
understand, don't you? If not, you should not be in command on the
water.

What you don't seem to grasp is that no one except possibly you,
would purposely hit someone with a car or boat, just because they
were ****ed off and somehow surmise that they are in the right,
have the right of way, and therefore, have a license to kill anyone
who does not stay out of your way, regardless.

This attitude you seemingly cherish may well cause you to spend the
latter years of your life locked in a cell being raped by real nasty
*******s with really big muscles and real nasty diseases. On the
evidence you provide, I would bet two cents you are prettier than
you are smart.

On the water, all the regulations in the world are there to settle
lawsuits after damages occur, and to impress on mariners that
collisions are to be avoided by any means, at all costs, regardless
of the causes. The reason why should be obvious. A collision at sea
can ruin your whole life. Like being bitten by a dog, it can change
your attitude forever, the hard way.

Don't feel too bad, even real sea captains sometimes hit other
ships, and blow cities like Halifax all to hell, because they make
little mistakes early on, and suddenly find they cannot avoid the
other guy's similar idiocy. We are all human, right?

'Course, those arrogant guys usually end up losing their nice cushy
seat at the Captain's table, and deservedly so. Some commit suicide
once their role in disaster becomes obvious. These men have
consciences, at least. Some of their very cushy seats disappear
below the titanic icy waves as they sit in them, along with
thousands of their passengers.

Icebergs and the wind just don't care. It is left to us to be
responsible, considerate, cautious and courteous. Some grow up
earlier than others. Some never make it.

Fair winds to you, and the best of luck, for all our sakes. Your
skills, knowledge and attitude probably won't help you, your
passengers, or locals much. Old sailors would treat you like a rock
awash, if you would just keep still.

Otherwise, we fear for you.

Terry K