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Jet Ski overheating problem
Terry,
Very well said, but save your bandwidth. (Teaching a pig to sing and such.) Billy believes he was the right(maybe the requirement) to take any vessel anywhere close aboard at flank speed. He is convinced that, if a vessel has any machinery onboard, it does not qualify as a vessel undersail regardless of the situation. He has proven he is not capable of interpreting Colregs the same way as the OMI to whom I wrote the pages of my license examinations. I just wish he had said where he is so we could all avoid him. Matt Colie - See prior sigs - I'm tired of this. Terry Spragg wrote: at least it was on topic! NI! Terry K Bill McKee wrote: Was on topic, but sailboats can not turn as wanted, the rest of the world be damned. Bill McKee wrote: Throttle off, no control, turning radius about a boat length. Well, if you put it that way, it sounds like it should be right, and logically, it is exactly correct, and if you read what you wrote, you may see why it is so funny, that you bite your own tail. Sailboats can not just turn, (or not turn,) as wanted. They are overpowered by the wind all the time. The wind blows sailboats around like leaves sometimes. As a mariner, you are expected to understand that, anticipate it, and survive the hazards anyway. Overtaking vessels must keep clear, sail or power. If they cannot, they must slow down to a safe speed, even stop. Chewy beans. You are expected and required to understand sail and power, and all their constraints, or stay home. Sailboats flop about out of control from time to time, motor on or off, whenever the sails are up and the wind is alive, it is the nature of the game: 15 HP auxiliary engines, thousand HP wild winds, waves, sails, ropes, winches, flying fish, nature, etc, etc. You understand, don't you? If not, you should not be in command on the water. What you don't seem to grasp is that no one except possibly you, would purposely hit someone with a car or boat, just because they were ****ed off and somehow surmise that they are in the right, have the right of way, and therefore, have a license to kill anyone who does not stay out of your way, regardless. This attitude you seemingly cherish may well cause you to spend the latter years of your life locked in a cell being raped by real nasty *******s with really big muscles and real nasty diseases. On the evidence you provide, I would bet two cents you are prettier than you are smart. On the water, all the regulations in the world are there to settle lawsuits after damages occur, and to impress on mariners that collisions are to be avoided by any means, at all costs, regardless of the causes. The reason why should be obvious. A collision at sea can ruin your whole life. Like being bitten by a dog, it can change your attitude forever, the hard way. Don't feel too bad, even real sea captains sometimes hit other ships, and blow cities like Halifax all to hell, because they make little mistakes early on, and suddenly find they cannot avoid the other guy's similar idiocy. We are all human, right? 'Course, those arrogant guys usually end up losing their nice cushy seat at the Captain's table, and deservedly so. Some commit suicide once their role in disaster becomes obvious. These men have consciences, at least. Some of their very cushy seats disappear below the titanic icy waves as they sit in them, along with thousands of their passengers. Icebergs and the wind just don't care. It is left to us to be responsible, considerate, cautious and courteous. Some grow up earlier than others. Some never make it. Fair winds to you, and the best of luck, for all our sakes. Your skills, knowledge and attitude probably won't help you, your passengers, or locals much. Old sailors would treat you like a rock awash, if you would just keep still. Otherwise, we fear for you. Terry K |
Jet Ski overheating problem
"Matt Colie" wrote in message ... Terry, Very well said, but save your bandwidth. (Teaching a pig to sing and such.) Billy believes he was the right(maybe the requirement) to take any vessel anywhere close aboard at flank speed. He is convinced that, if a vessel has any machinery onboard, it does not qualify as a vessel undersail regardless of the situation. He has proven he is not capable of interpreting Colregs the same way as the OMI to whom I wrote the pages of my license examinations. I just wish he had said where he is so we could all avoid him. Matt Colie - See prior sigs - I'm tired of this. Terry Spragg wrote: at least it was on topic! NI! Terry K Bill McKee wrote: Was on topic, but sailboats can not turn as wanted, the rest of the world be damned. Bill McKee wrote: Throttle off, no control, turning radius about a boat length. Well, if you put it that way, it sounds like it should be right, and logically, it is exactly correct, and if you read what you wrote, you may see why it is so funny, that you bite your own tail. Sailboats can not just turn, (or not turn,) as wanted. They are overpowered by the wind all the time. The wind blows sailboats around like leaves sometimes. As a mariner, you are expected to understand that, anticipate it, and survive the hazards anyway. Overtaking vessels must keep clear, sail or power. If they cannot, they must slow down to a safe speed, even stop. Chewy beans. You are expected and required to understand sail and power, and all their constraints, or stay home. Sailboats flop about out of control from time to time, motor on or off, whenever the sails are up and the wind is alive, it is the nature of the game: 15 HP auxiliary engines, thousand HP wild winds, waves, sails, ropes, winches, flying fish, nature, etc, etc. You understand, don't you? If not, you should not be in command on the water. What you don't seem to grasp is that no one except possibly you, would purposely hit someone with a car or boat, just because they were ****ed off and somehow surmise that they are in the right, have the right of way, and therefore, have a license to kill anyone who does not stay out of your way, regardless. This attitude you seemingly cherish may well cause you to spend the latter years of your life locked in a cell being raped by real nasty *******s with really big muscles and real nasty diseases. On the evidence you provide, I would bet two cents you are prettier than you are smart. On the water, all the regulations in the world are there to settle lawsuits after damages occur, and to impress on mariners that collisions are to be avoided by any means, at all costs, regardless of the causes. The reason why should be obvious. A collision at sea can ruin your whole life. Like being bitten by a dog, it can change your attitude forever, the hard way. Don't feel too bad, even real sea captains sometimes hit other ships, and blow cities like Halifax all to hell, because they make little mistakes early on, and suddenly find they cannot avoid the other guy's similar idiocy. We are all human, right? 'Course, those arrogant guys usually end up losing their nice cushy seat at the Captain's table, and deservedly so. Some commit suicide once their role in disaster becomes obvious. These men have consciences, at least. Some of their very cushy seats disappear below the titanic icy waves as they sit in them, along with thousands of their passengers. Icebergs and the wind just don't care. It is left to us to be responsible, considerate, cautious and courteous. Some grow up earlier than others. Some never make it. Fair winds to you, and the best of luck, for all our sakes. Your skills, knowledge and attitude probably won't help you, your passengers, or locals much. Old sailors would treat you like a rock awash, if you would just keep still. Otherwise, we fear for you. Terry K Bite Me. propulsion motor on, equal power boat. |
Jet Ski overheating problem
Bill McKee wrote:
"Matt Colie" wrote in message Billy believes he was the right(maybe the requirement) to take any vessel anywhere close aboard at flank speed. He is convinced that, if a vessel has any machinery onboard, it does not qualify as a vessel undersail regardless of the situation. He has proven he is not capable of interpreting Colregs the same way as the OMI to whom I wrote the pages of my license examinations. I just wish he had said where he is so we could all avoid him. Bite Me. propulsion motor on, equal power boat. But, that's not what the rules actually say. They are quite explicit, the propulsion machinery must be used. A sailboat warming up its engine, or running it to charge batteries, is still a sailboat. OTOH, if they failed to use it to avoid a collision, they'd have some explaining to do. But that's the case whether or not it was running. Further, the sailboat's responsibilities are its concern. It's your responsibility to treat a vessel that looks like a sailboat as a sailboat. That includes not passing within 15 feet at 25 mph. |
Jet Ski overheating problem
next.victim wrote:
.. Mr. McKee, I would be forced to determine that what has previously been said is completely accurate, and given this case, I would have to find a judgement against you. Please go to: http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navru...les/Rule03.htm below is exerted from the above: For the purpose of these Rules and this Chapter [Inld], except where the context otherwise requires: (a) The word "vessel" includes every description of watercraft, including non-displacement craft, WIG craft [Intl], and seaplanes, used or capable of being used as a means of transportation on water. (b) The term "power-driven vessel" means any vessel propelled by machinery. (c) The term "sailing vessel" means any vessel under sail provided that propelling machinery, if fitted, is not being used. Unquote- I find the above parts b & c to be clear and compelling. In the case of being used, the only interpretation possible for “propelling machinery” would be the case that said machinery was actually providing the driving force to propel said vessel. I my have no authority here, but I strongly recommend that you deal with your issues as you have presented yourself to be a clear and present hazzard as the operator of a vessel underpower. Name withheld by authors request Bill is one of those 'know it alls' that can never admit their own ignorance. Captain Nemo himself couldn't convince him the difference between 'stand on' and 'giveway'. The only safe solution is a lifelong ban from operating a power boat on public waterways. He should think about re-locating to Derby, Kansas where he'd have all the roadside ditches and farm ponds to himself....that is unless Skipper decides to buy another boat. |
Jet Ski overheating problem
"Bill McKee" wrote in message
nk.net... "Matt Colie" wrote in message ... Terry, Very well said, but save your bandwidth. (Teaching a pig to sing and such.) Billy believes he was the right(maybe the requirement) to take any vessel anywhere close aboard at flank speed. He is convinced that, if a vessel has any machinery onboard, it does not qualify as a vessel undersail regardless of the situation. He has proven he is not capable of interpreting Colregs the same way as the OMI to whom I wrote the pages of my license examinations. I just wish he had said where he is so we could all avoid him. Matt Colie - See prior sigs - I'm tired of this. Terry Spragg wrote: at least it was on topic! NI! Terry K Bill McKee wrote: Was on topic, but sailboats can not turn as wanted, the rest of the world be damned. Bill McKee wrote: Throttle off, no control, turning radius about a boat length. Well, if you put it that way, it sounds like it should be right, and logically, it is exactly correct, and if you read what you wrote, you may see why it is so funny, that you bite your own tail. Sailboats can not just turn, (or not turn,) as wanted. They are overpowered by the wind all the time. The wind blows sailboats around like leaves sometimes. As a mariner, you are expected to understand that, anticipate it, and survive the hazards anyway. Overtaking vessels must keep clear, sail or power. If they cannot, they must slow down to a safe speed, even stop. Chewy beans. You are expected and required to understand sail and power, and all their constraints, or stay home. Sailboats flop about out of control from time to time, motor on or off, whenever the sails are up and the wind is alive, it is the nature of the game: 15 HP auxiliary engines, thousand HP wild winds, waves, sails, ropes, winches, flying fish, nature, etc, etc. You understand, don't you? If not, you should not be in command on the water. What you don't seem to grasp is that no one except possibly you, would purposely hit someone with a car or boat, just because they were ****ed off and somehow surmise that they are in the right, have the right of way, and therefore, have a license to kill anyone who does not stay out of your way, regardless. This attitude you seemingly cherish may well cause you to spend the latter years of your life locked in a cell being raped by real nasty *******s with really big muscles and real nasty diseases. On the evidence you provide, I would bet two cents you are prettier than you are smart. On the water, all the regulations in the world are there to settle lawsuits after damages occur, and to impress on mariners that collisions are to be avoided by any means, at all costs, regardless of the causes. The reason why should be obvious. A collision at sea can ruin your whole life. Like being bitten by a dog, it can change your attitude forever, the hard way. Don't feel too bad, even real sea captains sometimes hit other ships, and blow cities like Halifax all to hell, because they make little mistakes early on, and suddenly find they cannot avoid the other guy's similar idiocy. We are all human, right? 'Course, those arrogant guys usually end up losing their nice cushy seat at the Captain's table, and deservedly so. Some commit suicide once their role in disaster becomes obvious. These men have consciences, at least. Some of their very cushy seats disappear below the titanic icy waves as they sit in them, along with thousands of their passengers. Icebergs and the wind just don't care. It is left to us to be responsible, considerate, cautious and courteous. Some grow up earlier than others. Some never make it. Fair winds to you, and the best of luck, for all our sakes. Your skills, knowledge and attitude probably won't help you, your passengers, or locals much. Old sailors would treat you like a rock awash, if you would just keep still. Otherwise, we fear for you. Terry K Bite Me. propulsion motor on, equal power boat. Read the nav rules.... you're wrong. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
Jet Ski overheating problem
"next.victim" wrote in message ... Bill McKee wrote: "Matt Colie" wrote in message ... Terry, Very well said, but save your bandwidth. (Teaching a pig to sing and such.) Billy believes he was the right(maybe the requirement) to take any vessel anywhere close aboard at flank speed. He is convinced that, if a vessel has any machinery onboard, it does not qualify as a vessel undersail regardless of the situation. He has proven he is not capable of interpreting Colregs the same way as the OMI to whom I wrote the pages of my license examinations. I just wish he had said where he is so we could all avoid him. Matt Colie - See prior sigs - I'm tired of this. Terry Spragg wrote: at least it was on topic! NI! Terry K Bill McKee wrote: Was on topic, but sailboats can not turn as wanted, the rest of the world be damned. Bill McKee wrote: Throttle off, no control, turning radius about a boat length. Well, if you put it that way, it sounds like it should be right, and logically, it is exactly correct, and if you read what you wrote, you may see why it is so funny, that you bite your own tail. Sailboats can not just turn, (or not turn,) as wanted. They are overpowered by the wind all the time. The wind blows sailboats around like leaves sometimes. As a mariner, you are expected to understand that, anticipate it, and survive the hazards anyway. Overtaking vessels must keep clear, sail or power. If they cannot, they must slow down to a safe speed, even stop. Chewy beans. You are expected and required to understand sail and power, and all their constraints, or stay home. Sailboats flop about out of control from time to time, motor on or off, whenever the sails are up and the wind is alive, it is the nature of the game: 15 HP auxiliary engines, thousand HP wild winds, waves, sails, ropes, winches, flying fish, nature, etc, etc. You understand, don't you? If not, you should not be in command on the water. What you don't seem to grasp is that no one except possibly you, would purposely hit someone with a car or boat, just because they were ****ed off and somehow surmise that they are in the right, have the right of way, and therefore, have a license to kill anyone who does not stay out of your way, regardless. This attitude you seemingly cherish may well cause you to spend the latter years of your life locked in a cell being raped by real nasty *******s with really big muscles and real nasty diseases. On the evidence you provide, I would bet two cents you are prettier than you are smart. On the water, all the regulations in the world are there to settle lawsuits after damages occur, and to impress on mariners that collisions are to be avoided by any means, at all costs, regardless of the causes. The reason why should be obvious. A collision at sea can ruin your whole life. Like being bitten by a dog, it can change your attitude forever, the hard way. Don't feel too bad, even real sea captains sometimes hit other ships, and blow cities like Halifax all to hell, because they make little mistakes early on, and suddenly find they cannot avoid the other guy's similar idiocy. We are all human, right? 'Course, those arrogant guys usually end up losing their nice cushy seat at the Captain's table, and deservedly so. Some commit suicide once their role in disaster becomes obvious. These men have consciences, at least. Some of their very cushy seats disappear below the titanic icy waves as they sit in them, along with thousands of their passengers. Icebergs and the wind just don't care. It is left to us to be responsible, considerate, cautious and courteous. Some grow up earlier than others. Some never make it. Fair winds to you, and the best of luck, for all our sakes. Your skills, knowledge and attitude probably won't help you, your passengers, or locals much. Old sailors would treat you like a rock awash, if you would just keep still. Otherwise, we fear for you. Terry K Bite Me. propulsion motor on, equal power boat. Mr. McKee, I would be forced to determine that what has previously been said is completely accurate, and given this case, I would have to find a judgement against you. Please go to: http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navru...les/Rule03.htm below is exerted from the above: For the purpose of these Rules and this Chapter [Inld], except where the context otherwise requires: (a) The word "vessel" includes every description of watercraft, including non-displacement craft, WIG craft [Intl], and seaplanes, used or capable of being used as a means of transportation on water. (b) The term "power-driven vessel" means any vessel propelled by machinery. (c) The term "sailing vessel" means any vessel under sail provided that propelling machinery, if fitted, is not being used. Unquote- I find the above parts b & c to be clear and compelling. In the case of being used, the only interpretation possible for “propelling machinery” would be the case that said machinery was actually providing the driving force to propel said vessel. I my have no authority here, but I strongly recommend that you deal with your issues as you have presented yourself to be a clear and present hazzard as the operator of a vessel underpower. Name withheld by authors request And your motor is not propelling machinery? |
Jet Ski overheating problem
"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message nk.net... "Matt Colie" wrote in message ... Terry, Very well said, but save your bandwidth. (Teaching a pig to sing and such.) Billy believes he was the right(maybe the requirement) to take any vessel anywhere close aboard at flank speed. He is convinced that, if a vessel has any machinery onboard, it does not qualify as a vessel undersail regardless of the situation. He has proven he is not capable of interpreting Colregs the same way as the OMI to whom I wrote the pages of my license examinations. I just wish he had said where he is so we could all avoid him. Matt Colie - See prior sigs - I'm tired of this. Terry Spragg wrote: at least it was on topic! NI! Terry K Bill McKee wrote: Was on topic, but sailboats can not turn as wanted, the rest of the world be damned. Bill McKee wrote: Throttle off, no control, turning radius about a boat length. Well, if you put it that way, it sounds like it should be right, and logically, it is exactly correct, and if you read what you wrote, you may see why it is so funny, that you bite your own tail. Sailboats can not just turn, (or not turn,) as wanted. They are overpowered by the wind all the time. The wind blows sailboats around like leaves sometimes. As a mariner, you are expected to understand that, anticipate it, and survive the hazards anyway. Overtaking vessels must keep clear, sail or power. If they cannot, they must slow down to a safe speed, even stop. Chewy beans. You are expected and required to understand sail and power, and all their constraints, or stay home. Sailboats flop about out of control from time to time, motor on or off, whenever the sails are up and the wind is alive, it is the nature of the game: 15 HP auxiliary engines, thousand HP wild winds, waves, sails, ropes, winches, flying fish, nature, etc, etc. You understand, don't you? If not, you should not be in command on the water. What you don't seem to grasp is that no one except possibly you, would purposely hit someone with a car or boat, just because they were ****ed off and somehow surmise that they are in the right, have the right of way, and therefore, have a license to kill anyone who does not stay out of your way, regardless. This attitude you seemingly cherish may well cause you to spend the latter years of your life locked in a cell being raped by real nasty *******s with really big muscles and real nasty diseases. On the evidence you provide, I would bet two cents you are prettier than you are smart. On the water, all the regulations in the world are there to settle lawsuits after damages occur, and to impress on mariners that collisions are to be avoided by any means, at all costs, regardless of the causes. The reason why should be obvious. A collision at sea can ruin your whole life. Like being bitten by a dog, it can change your attitude forever, the hard way. Don't feel too bad, even real sea captains sometimes hit other ships, and blow cities like Halifax all to hell, because they make little mistakes early on, and suddenly find they cannot avoid the other guy's similar idiocy. We are all human, right? 'Course, those arrogant guys usually end up losing their nice cushy seat at the Captain's table, and deservedly so. Some commit suicide once their role in disaster becomes obvious. These men have consciences, at least. Some of their very cushy seats disappear below the titanic icy waves as they sit in them, along with thousands of their passengers. Icebergs and the wind just don't care. It is left to us to be responsible, considerate, cautious and courteous. Some grow up earlier than others. Some never make it. Fair winds to you, and the best of luck, for all our sakes. Your skills, knowledge and attitude probably won't help you, your passengers, or locals much. Old sailors would treat you like a rock awash, if you would just keep still. Otherwise, we fear for you. Terry K Bite Me. propulsion motor on, equal power boat. Read the nav rules.... you're wrong. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com And the motor is not a propelling machinery? |
Jet Ski overheating problem
LOL! here's one of my favorite threads about boaters AND jet-ski'rs
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.b...77853f26 193c |
Jet Ski overheating problem
Wow - this is amazing.
Terry, my analogy below was bad as it turns out. You might have a better chance getting the pig to sing..... Billy, could you PLEASE give us all some idea of where you might be so I can NEVER go there? Matt Colie - See Prior sig Bill McKee wrote: "next.victim" wrote in message ... Bill McKee wrote: "Matt Colie" wrote in message ... Terry, Very well said, but save your bandwidth. (Teaching a pig to sing and such.) Billy believes he was the right(maybe the requirement) to take any vessel anywhere close aboard at flank speed. He is convinced that, if a vessel has any machinery onboard, it does not qualify as a vessel undersail regardless of the situation. He has proven he is not capable of interpreting Colregs the same way as the OMI to whom I wrote the pages of my license examinations. I just wish he had said where he is so we could all avoid him. Matt Colie - See prior sigs - I'm tired of this. Terry Spragg wrote: at least it was on topic! NI! Terry K Bill McKee wrote: Was on topic, but sailboats can not turn as wanted, the rest of the world be damned. Bill McKee wrote: Throttle off, no control, turning radius about a boat length. Well, if you put it that way, it sounds like it should be right, and logically, it is exactly correct, and if you read what you wrote, you may see why it is so funny, that you bite your own tail. Sailboats can not just turn, (or not turn,) as wanted. They are overpowered by the wind all the time. The wind blows sailboats around like leaves sometimes. As a mariner, you are expected to understand that, anticipate it, and survive the hazards anyway. Overtaking vessels must keep clear, sail or power. If they cannot, they must slow down to a safe speed, even stop. Chewy beans. You are expected and required to understand sail and power, and all their constraints, or stay home. Sailboats flop about out of control from time to time, motor on or off, whenever the sails are up and the wind is alive, it is the nature of the game: 15 HP auxiliary engines, thousand HP wild winds, waves, sails, ropes, winches, flying fish, nature, etc, etc. You understand, don't you? If not, you should not be in command on the water. What you don't seem to grasp is that no one except possibly you, would purposely hit someone with a car or boat, just because they were ****ed off and somehow surmise that they are in the right, have the right of way, and therefore, have a license to kill anyone who does not stay out of your way, regardless. This attitude you seemingly cherish may well cause you to spend the latter years of your life locked in a cell being raped by real nasty *******s with really big muscles and real nasty diseases. On the evidence you provide, I would bet two cents you are prettier than you are smart. On the water, all the regulations in the world are there to settle lawsuits after damages occur, and to impress on mariners that collisions are to be avoided by any means, at all costs, regardless of the causes. The reason why should be obvious. A collision at sea can ruin your whole life. Like being bitten by a dog, it can change your attitude forever, the hard way. Don't feel too bad, even real sea captains sometimes hit other ships, and blow cities like Halifax all to hell, because they make little mistakes early on, and suddenly find they cannot avoid the other guy's similar idiocy. We are all human, right? 'Course, those arrogant guys usually end up losing their nice cushy seat at the Captain's table, and deservedly so. Some commit suicide once their role in disaster becomes obvious. These men have consciences, at least. Some of their very cushy seats disappear below the titanic icy waves as they sit in them, along with thousands of their passengers. Icebergs and the wind just don't care. It is left to us to be responsible, considerate, cautious and courteous. Some grow up earlier than others. Some never make it. Fair winds to you, and the best of luck, for all our sakes. Your skills, knowledge and attitude probably won't help you, your passengers, or locals much. Old sailors would treat you like a rock awash, if you would just keep still. Otherwise, we fear for you. Terry K Bite Me. propulsion motor on, equal power boat. Mr. McKee, I would be forced to determine that what has previously been said is completely accurate, and given this case, I would have to find a judgement against you. Please go to: http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navru...les/Rule03.htm below is exerted from the above: For the purpose of these Rules and this Chapter [Inld], except where the context otherwise requires: (a) The word "vessel" includes every description of watercraft, including non-displacement craft, WIG craft [Intl], and seaplanes, used or capable of being used as a means of transportation on water. (b) The term "power-driven vessel" means any vessel propelled by machinery. (c) The term "sailing vessel" means any vessel under sail provided that propelling machinery, if fitted, is not being used. Unquote- I find the above parts b & c to be clear and compelling. In the case of being used, the only interpretation possible for “propelling machinery” would be the case that said machinery was actually providing the driving force to propel said vessel. I my have no authority here, but I strongly recommend that you deal with your issues as you have presented yourself to be a clear and present hazzard as the operator of a vessel underpower. Name withheld by authors request And your motor is not propelling machinery? |
Jet Ski overheating problem
Wow - this is amazing.
Terry, my analogy below was bad as it turns out. You might have a better chance getting the pig to sing..... Billy, could you PLEASE give us all some idea of where you might be so I can NEVER go there? Matt Colie - See Prior sig Bill McKee wrote: "next.victim" wrote in message ... Bill McKee wrote: "Matt Colie" wrote in message ... Terry, Very well said, but save your bandwidth. (Teaching a pig to sing and such.) Billy believes he was the right(maybe the requirement) to take any vessel anywhere close aboard at flank speed. He is convinced that, if a vessel has any machinery onboard, it does not qualify as a vessel undersail regardless of the situation. He has proven he is not capable of interpreting Colregs the same way as the OMI to whom I wrote the pages of my license examinations. I just wish he had said where he is so we could all avoid him. Matt Colie - See prior sigs - I'm tired of this. Terry Spragg wrote: at least it was on topic! NI! Terry K Bill McKee wrote: Was on topic, but sailboats can not turn as wanted, the rest of the world be damned. Bill McKee wrote: Throttle off, no control, turning radius about a boat length. Well, if you put it that way, it sounds like it should be right, and logically, it is exactly correct, and if you read what you wrote, you may see why it is so funny, that you bite your own tail. Sailboats can not just turn, (or not turn,) as wanted. They are overpowered by the wind all the time. The wind blows sailboats around like leaves sometimes. As a mariner, you are expected to understand that, anticipate it, and survive the hazards anyway. Overtaking vessels must keep clear, sail or power. If they cannot, they must slow down to a safe speed, even stop. Chewy beans. You are expected and required to understand sail and power, and all their constraints, or stay home. Sailboats flop about out of control from time to time, motor on or off, whenever the sails are up and the wind is alive, it is the nature of the game: 15 HP auxiliary engines, thousand HP wild winds, waves, sails, ropes, winches, flying fish, nature, etc, etc. You understand, don't you? If not, you should not be in command on the water. What you don't seem to grasp is that no one except possibly you, would purposely hit someone with a car or boat, just because they were ****ed off and somehow surmise that they are in the right, have the right of way, and therefore, have a license to kill anyone who does not stay out of your way, regardless. This attitude you seemingly cherish may well cause you to spend the latter years of your life locked in a cell being raped by real nasty *******s with really big muscles and real nasty diseases. On the evidence you provide, I would bet two cents you are prettier than you are smart. On the water, all the regulations in the world are there to settle lawsuits after damages occur, and to impress on mariners that collisions are to be avoided by any means, at all costs, regardless of the causes. The reason why should be obvious. A collision at sea can ruin your whole life. Like being bitten by a dog, it can change your attitude forever, the hard way. Don't feel too bad, even real sea captains sometimes hit other ships, and blow cities like Halifax all to hell, because they make little mistakes early on, and suddenly find they cannot avoid the other guy's similar idiocy. We are all human, right? 'Course, those arrogant guys usually end up losing their nice cushy seat at the Captain's table, and deservedly so. Some commit suicide once their role in disaster becomes obvious. These men have consciences, at least. Some of their very cushy seats disappear below the titanic icy waves as they sit in them, along with thousands of their passengers. Icebergs and the wind just don't care. It is left to us to be responsible, considerate, cautious and courteous. Some grow up earlier than others. Some never make it. Fair winds to you, and the best of luck, for all our sakes. Your skills, knowledge and attitude probably won't help you, your passengers, or locals much. Old sailors would treat you like a rock awash, if you would just keep still. Otherwise, we fear for you. Terry K Bite Me. propulsion motor on, equal power boat. Mr. McKee, I would be forced to determine that what has previously been said is completely accurate, and given this case, I would have to find a judgement against you. Please go to: http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navru...les/Rule03.htm below is exerted from the above: For the purpose of these Rules and this Chapter [Inld], except where the context otherwise requires: (a) The word "vessel" includes every description of watercraft, including non-displacement craft, WIG craft [Intl], and seaplanes, used or capable of being used as a means of transportation on water. (b) The term "power-driven vessel" means any vessel propelled by machinery. (c) The term "sailing vessel" means any vessel under sail provided that propelling machinery, if fitted, is not being used. Unquote- I find the above parts b & c to be clear and compelling. In the case of being used, the only interpretation possible for “propelling machinery” would be the case that said machinery was actually providing the driving force to propel said vessel. I my have no authority here, but I strongly recommend that you deal with your issues as you have presented yourself to be a clear and present hazzard as the operator of a vessel underpower. Name withheld by authors request And your motor is not propelling machinery? |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message ink.net... (b) The term "power-driven vessel" means any vessel propelled by machinery. And your motor is not propelling machinery? Try reading (b) again. And your motor is not propelling machinery? I guess a power boat like mine is not a power boat when the motor is turned off or not in gear. So you hit a drift fishing "Power boat" who has his motor off or in not in gear, who is at fault. |
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"Matt Colie" wrote in message ... Wow - this is amazing. Terry, my analogy below was bad as it turns out. You might have a better chance getting the pig to sing..... Billy, could you PLEASE give us all some idea of where you might be so I can NEVER go there? Matt Colie - See Prior sig Bill McKee wrote: "next.victim" wrote in message ... Bill McKee wrote: "Matt Colie" wrote in message ... Terry, Very well said, but save your bandwidth. (Teaching a pig to sing and such.) Billy believes he was the right(maybe the requirement) to take any vessel anywhere close aboard at flank speed. He is convinced that, if a vessel has any machinery onboard, it does not qualify as a vessel undersail regardless of the situation. He has proven he is not capable of interpreting Colregs the same way as the OMI to whom I wrote the pages of my license examinations. I just wish he had said where he is so we could all avoid him. Matt Colie - See prior sigs - I'm tired of this. Terry Spragg wrote: at least it was on topic! NI! Terry K Bill McKee wrote: Was on topic, but sailboats can not turn as wanted, the rest of the world be damned. Bill McKee wrote: Throttle off, no control, turning radius about a boat length. Well, if you put it that way, it sounds like it should be right, and logically, it is exactly correct, and if you read what you wrote, you may see why it is so funny, that you bite your own tail. Sailboats can not just turn, (or not turn,) as wanted. They are overpowered by the wind all the time. The wind blows sailboats around like leaves sometimes. As a mariner, you are expected to understand that, anticipate it, and survive the hazards anyway. Overtaking vessels must keep clear, sail or power. If they cannot, they must slow down to a safe speed, even stop. Chewy beans. You are expected and required to understand sail and power, and all their constraints, or stay home. Sailboats flop about out of control from time to time, motor on or off, whenever the sails are up and the wind is alive, it is the nature of the game: 15 HP auxiliary engines, thousand HP wild winds, waves, sails, ropes, winches, flying fish, nature, etc, etc. You understand, don't you? If not, you should not be in command on the water. What you don't seem to grasp is that no one except possibly you, would purposely hit someone with a car or boat, just because they were ****ed off and somehow surmise that they are in the right, have the right of way, and therefore, have a license to kill anyone who does not stay out of your way, regardless. This attitude you seemingly cherish may well cause you to spend the latter years of your life locked in a cell being raped by real nasty *******s with really big muscles and real nasty diseases. On the evidence you provide, I would bet two cents you are prettier than you are smart. On the water, all the regulations in the world are there to settle lawsuits after damages occur, and to impress on mariners that collisions are to be avoided by any means, at all costs, regardless of the causes. The reason why should be obvious. A collision at sea can ruin your whole life. Like being bitten by a dog, it can change your attitude forever, the hard way. Don't feel too bad, even real sea captains sometimes hit other ships, and blow cities like Halifax all to hell, because they make little mistakes early on, and suddenly find they cannot avoid the other guy's similar idiocy. We are all human, right? 'Course, those arrogant guys usually end up losing their nice cushy seat at the Captain's table, and deservedly so. Some commit suicide once their role in disaster becomes obvious. These men have consciences, at least. Some of their very cushy seats disappear below the titanic icy waves as they sit in them, along with thousands of their passengers. Icebergs and the wind just don't care. It is left to us to be responsible, considerate, cautious and courteous. Some grow up earlier than others. Some never make it. Fair winds to you, and the best of luck, for all our sakes. Your skills, knowledge and attitude probably won't help you, your passengers, or locals much. Old sailors would treat you like a rock awash, if you would just keep still. Otherwise, we fear for you. Terry K Bite Me. propulsion motor on, equal power boat. Mr. McKee, I would be forced to determine that what has previously been said is completely accurate, and given this case, I would have to find a judgement against you. Please go to: http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navru...les/Rule03.htm below is exerted from the above: For the purpose of these Rules and this Chapter [Inld], except where the context otherwise requires: (a) The word "vessel" includes every description of watercraft, including non-displacement craft, WIG craft [Intl], and seaplanes, used or capable of being used as a means of transportation on water. (b) The term "power-driven vessel" means any vessel propelled by machinery. (c) The term "sailing vessel" means any vessel under sail provided that propelling machinery, if fitted, is not being used. Unquote- I find the above parts b & c to be clear and compelling. In the case of being used, the only interpretation possible for “propelling machinery” would be the case that said machinery was actually providing the driving force to propel said vessel. I my have no authority here, but I strongly recommend that you deal with your issues as you have presented yourself to be a clear and present hazzard as the operator of a vessel underpower. Name withheld by authors request And your motor is not propelling machinery? So my "power boat" is not a power boat for rules when the motor is turned off and I am drifting? |
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message nk.net... So my "power boat" is not a power boat for rules when the motor is turned off and I am drifting? Bill, have you read the Collision Regulations and do you not understand them? Have you read the correct terminology that is fully explained in these regulations? If not, why don't you get a copy of them and read them from cover to cover so that you are better informed before you write such questions as you wrote above. Everything that you are asking is fully explained in the Collision Regulations. For example, your question that you are now asking is explained in Rule 3 General Definitions (a) Got that Bill? Jim C. |
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message ink.net... And your motor is not propelling machinery? I guess a power boat like mine is not a power boat when the motor is turned off or not in gear. So you hit a drift fishing "Power boat" who has his motor off or in not in gear, who is at fault. Bill, like I said before, you need to read the Collision Regulations before you ask dumb questions like you are asking. All of the answers for your questions can be found in the Collision Regulations. You, perhaps, should take a Power Squadron course so that they can help you understand how to read the regulations so that your questions don't even need to be asked. Well, anyway Bill, read Rule 18 for the answer to your question. If you don't understand rule 18, then perhaps you might give up boating and just watch it on TV. Jim C. |
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message ink.net... And your motor is not propelling machinery? No, Bill, a motor is not propelling machinery, nor is a propeller, propelling machinery, but used together, they become propelling machinery. Just for kicks, let's get a bit more complicated. The only way you can be certain (reasonably) under the Rules, that a sail vessel is also being powered by some mechanical means other than the sails, is, in daylight, a cone, apex down; at night, she's lit as a power driven vessel; or radio communications. Barring any of those (excluding some sailboat making 10k in a 1k breeze... possible exceptions noted) you should consider the sailboat just that ..... a sailboat, and I send you back to rule 2. otn |
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message nk.net... So my "power boat" is not a power boat for rules when the motor is turned off and I am drifting? Technically correct, but, once again I send you to rule 2 otn |
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"Jim Carter" wrote in message .. . "Bill McKee" wrote in message nk.net... So my "power boat" is not a power boat for rules when the motor is turned off and I am drifting? Bill, have you read the Collision Regulations and do you not understand them? Have you read the correct terminology that is fully explained in these regulations? If not, why don't you get a copy of them and read them from cover to cover so that you are better informed before you write such questions as you wrote above. Everything that you are asking is fully explained in the Collision Regulations. For example, your question that you are now asking is explained in Rule 3 General Definitions (a) Got that Bill? Jim C. Can you answer my question? Is a power boat a power boat with the engine off or in neutral? Got that Jim? |
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"otnmbrd" wrote in message nk.net... "Bill McKee" wrote in message ink.net... And your motor is not propelling machinery? No, Bill, a motor is not propelling machinery, nor is a propeller, propelling machinery, but used together, they become propelling machinery. Just for kicks, let's get a bit more complicated. The only way you can be certain (reasonably) under the Rules, that a sail vessel is also being powered by some mechanical means other than the sails, is, in daylight, a cone, apex down; at night, she's lit as a power driven vessel; or radio communications. Barring any of those (excluding some sailboat making 10k in a 1k breeze... possible exceptions noted) you should consider the sailboat just that ..... a sailboat, and I send you back to rule 2. otn And a stupid guy who is motoring with his sails up is going to run day signals or lights? LOL! |
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message ink.net... Can you answer my question? Is a power boat a power boat with the engine off or in neutral? Got that Jim? How old are you Bill? Are you still in grade school? Do you have trouble reading? Are you a little bit stupid? Do you have a copy of the Collision Regulations in front of you so you can actually read them? If you do, try this. Go to the page where is shows "Rule 3". Then read section (a) Got that Bill? Tell me what is written there. Then tell me if you understand what that means. Now go to section (b), and tell me what you see in this section. Do you understand what this means? Finally, go to section (c) and read this. Understand what you have just read and can you explain it to your simple brain? If not, then go take a safe boating course, because, you need one. Jim C. |
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message ink.net... "Jim Carter" wrote in message .. . "Bill McKee" wrote in message nk.net... So my "power boat" is not a power boat for rules when the motor is turned off and I am drifting? Bill, have you read the Collision Regulations and do you not understand them? Have you read the correct terminology that is fully explained in these regulations? If not, why don't you get a copy of them and read them from cover to cover so that you are better informed before you write such questions as you wrote above. Everything that you are asking is fully explained in the Collision Regulations. For example, your question that you are now asking is explained in Rule 3 General Definitions (a) Got that Bill? Jim C. Can you answer my question? Is a power boat a power boat with the engine off or in neutral? It is a raft. Got that Jim? |
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Beat me to it! I hate to join a choir late, but...
Bill McKee wrote: "Matt Colie" wrote in message ... Wow - this is amazing. Terry, my analogy below was bad as it turns out. You might have a better chance getting the pig to sing..... Billy, could you PLEASE give us all some idea of where you might be so I can NEVER go there? Matt Colie - See Prior sig Bill McKee wrote: "next.victim" wrote in message ... Bill McKee wrote: "Matt Colie" wrote in message ... Terry, Very well said, but save your bandwidth. (Teaching a pig to sing and such.) Billy believes he was the right(maybe the requirement) to take any vessel anywhere close aboard at flank speed. He is convinced that, if a vessel has any machinery onboard, it does not qualify as a vessel undersail regardless of the situation. He has proven he is not capable of interpreting Colregs the same way as the OMI to whom I wrote the pages of my license examinations. I just wish he had said where he is so we could all avoid him. Matt Colie - See prior sigs - I'm tired of this. Terry Spragg wrote: at least it was on topic! NI! Terry K Bill McKee wrote: Was on topic, but sailboats can not turn as wanted, the rest of the world be damned. Bill McKee wrote: Throttle off, no control, turning radius about a boat length. Well, if you put it that way, it sounds like it should be right, and logically, it is exactly correct, and if you read what you wrote, you may see why it is so funny, that you bite your own tail. Sailboats can not just turn, (or not turn,) as wanted. They are overpowered by the wind all the time. The wind blows sailboats around like leaves sometimes. As a mariner, you are expected to understand that, anticipate it, and survive the hazards anyway. Overtaking vessels must keep clear, sail or power. If they cannot, they must slow down to a safe speed, even stop. Chewy beans. You are expected and required to understand sail and power, and all their constraints, or stay home. Sailboats flop about out of control from time to time, motor on or off, whenever the sails are up and the wind is alive, it is the nature of the game: 15 HP auxiliary engines, thousand HP wild winds, waves, sails, ropes, winches, flying fish, nature, etc, etc. You understand, don't you? If not, you should not be in command on the water. What you don't seem to grasp is that no one except possibly you, would purposely hit someone with a car or boat, just because they were ****ed off and somehow surmise that they are in the right, have the right of way, and therefore, have a license to kill anyone who does not stay out of your way, regardless. This attitude you seemingly cherish may well cause you to spend the latter years of your life locked in a cell being raped by real nasty *******s with really big muscles and real nasty diseases. On the evidence you provide, I would bet two cents you are prettier than you are smart. On the water, all the regulations in the world are there to settle lawsuits after damages occur, and to impress on mariners that collisions are to be avoided by any means, at all costs, regardless of the causes. The reason why should be obvious. A collision at sea can ruin your whole life. Like being bitten by a dog, it can change your attitude forever, the hard way. Don't feel too bad, even real sea captains sometimes hit other ships, and blow cities like Halifax all to hell, because they make little mistakes early on, and suddenly find they cannot avoid the other guy's similar idiocy. We are all human, right? 'Course, those arrogant guys usually end up losing their nice cushy seat at the Captain's table, and deservedly so. Some commit suicide once their role in disaster becomes obvious. These men have consciences, at least. Some of their very cushy seats disappear below the titanic icy waves as they sit in them, along with thousands of their passengers. Icebergs and the wind just don't care. It is left to us to be responsible, considerate, cautious and courteous. Some grow up earlier than others. Some never make it. Fair winds to you, and the best of luck, for all our sakes. Your skills, knowledge and attitude probably won't help you, your passengers, or locals much. Old sailors would treat you like a rock awash, if you would just keep still. Otherwise, we fear for you. Terry K Bite Me. propulsion motor on, equal power boat. A GIANT NOPE! See (c) below, Read it carefully, it was written by a maritime lawyer. Mr. McKee, I would be forced to determine that what has previously been said is completely accurate, and given this case, I would have to find a judgement against you. Please go to: http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navru...les/Rule03.htm below is exerted from the above: For the purpose of these Rules and this Chapter [Inld], except where the context otherwise requires: (a) The word "vessel" includes every description of watercraft, including non-displacement craft, WIG craft [Intl], and seaplanes, used or capable of being used as a means of transportation on water. (b) The term "power-driven vessel" means any vessel propelled by machinery. (c) The term "sailing vessel" means any vessel under sail provided that propelling machinery, if fitted, is not being used. Unquote- I find the above parts b & c to be clear and compelling. In the case of being used, the only interpretation possible for “propelling machinery” would be the case that said machinery was actually providing the driving force to propel said vessel. I my have no authority here, but I strongly recommend that you deal with your issues as you have presented yourself to be a clear and present hazzard as the operator of a vessel underpower. Name withheld by authors request And your motor is not propelling machinery? Only if it is engaged and capable of overcoming the power of the wind. So my "power boat" is not a power boat for rules when the motor is turned off and I am drifting? That's right. You become a vessel not under command, I believe. To the outside world, you could be injured, ill, asleep, or having fallen off miles before your boat ran out of gas, a pedestrian. You will be given every consideration and possibly a tow home, a coffee, and a chance to use the head, even a warm berth along with a warm blankey, even a medicinal dose of brandy, splints for your broken bones, even the "breath of life", provided the tanker can get stopped before mashing you. Unfortunately, sailboats probably do not carry enough fuel to replenish your tanks sufficiently to get you home, else you might get some of it, too. At sea, Billy, pedestrians have the absolute, inarguable right of way;-) To run over one, even in the dark, is manslaughter if he dies, even if he does make an unexpected turn in front of you. Negligent manslaughter, if you were not keeping an adequate lookout, or were running at excessive speed under the circumstances, which is almost the same as murder. The regulations govern men, not boats. Those who can manouver best have the most responsibility to avoid hazards. It makes sense, if you think about it, and if you read the rules carefully and with an open mind you will see it plain. You are right, sailing vessels cannot turn whenever they want. Nor can they always prevent turns whenever they want, thanks to the wind and other obstacles. Surely your position is not that sailors do not have the same right to enjoy the water as do power boaters? It is said among sailors that essentially we ignore power boats simply because we have no choise, being at their mercey. We sailors cannot outrun, avoid, or catch high powered boats except possibly double reefed in a steady gale where you might be puking up your guts amidst the rollers, unable to maintain any speed at all whilst struggling to survive in your fair weather speedboat. Circumstances rule boats. Men do what they can. The rest is common sense. The colregs are common sense, written by lawyers, maritime lawyers at that, and are therefore unintelligible to most mere mortal landlubbers. Don't feel bad. Furthermore, the regs have been argued by better men than us, for hundreds of years, and reflect the findings of numerous lawsuits, trials, boards of inquiry, courts martial, et al. They must be read with painful attention to the merest comma. You must realize too, that power boat regulations are somewhat junior to those governing sail, which I gather you could never understand, since you do not appreciate the realities of sail, nor probably of power for that matter. Your jet boat is a dangerous toy. You must understand that sailboats, even with their engines engaged, try as they might, may not actually be being propelled under control of the engine, but may well be in the teeth of the unco-operative wind and may be struggling with control. It is a part of sailing, like rocks awash. Even if they were after you, you could always stay out of reach, eh? Terry K |
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ink.net: "otnmbrd" wrote in message news: snip , and I send you back to rule 2. otn And a stupid guy who is motoring with his sails up is going to run day signals or lights? LOL! G Didn't really expect you to grasp the point being made. otn |
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"otnmbrd" wrote in message nk.net... "Bill McKee" wrote in message hlink.net... And your motor is not propelling machinery? No, Bill, a motor is not propelling machinery, nor is a propeller, propelling machinery, but used together, they become propelling machinery. Just for kicks, let's get a bit more complicated. The only way you can be certain (reasonably) under the Rules, that a sail vessel is also being powered by some mechanical means other than the sails, is, in daylight, a cone, apex down; at night, she's lit as a power driven vessel; or radio communications. Barring any of those (excluding some sailboat making 10k in a 1k breeze... possible exceptions noted) you should consider the sailboat just that ..... a sailboat, and I send you back to rule 2. otn And a stupid guy who is motoring with his sails up is going to run day signals or lights? LOL! Well, maybe not if he has a stupid greedy lawyer, and and you do too, and it all winds up in court, IF there were damages that might have been avoided, or settled beforhand. If he's smart enough to know that there is sufficient wind (in his locality) that he may be deflected from his intended course by the wind, and is using his trolling motor, he may hoist a powering cone to let you know that he is probably able to manouver better than he could without an engine, but you should be able to tell, anyway, just from looking, that he has a sail in the air, seems to be going too fast for the wind, and may get farted on by the wind. If he has a need for the engine in light airs, he probably has a big suit of sails up, and is most vulnerable to a gust or turbulence from trees half a mile away, etc. Got it? He may be almost out of gas, can't charge his battery, and needs to hoist a sail, so needs to turn into the wind soon, because of tides and rocks awash. He may need 6 feet of water, or could soon be a pedestrian. He may not have any juke box money, either, because he spent it all on charts. You do have charts on board? A smart powerboater would have no question in his mind; sail in the air is a hazard, keep very clear, if you can or slow down, under pain of responsibility. It's usually not a personal problem, is it? You got gas, you got a steering wheel, eh? Your wrists are not as limp as your brain, are they? Or is that your dick sticking up through your collar? Now, stop chewing your own tail, or you'll grow hair on your nose and go blind. Which brings us back to that age old question, "Why do old sea dogs lick their own balls?" Remember, to start with, only half of them do. Consider yourself bitten. Terry K |
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Terry,
This has been amazingly amuzing, shall we divert this here to a new case? Billy is fishing from his drifting jetski (or what ever) and a sailboat with no sails is approaching with no change in bearing. He is not worried because he can see smoke at he transom. After all he is fishing so the sailboat is the burden vessel here. What little Billy has not bothered to notice is the the line (he calls it rope) that is drifting in front of the sailboat. He is also absolutely certain that Colregs part 3.d means that he has no requirement to avoid the closing vessel. If you can only read one line at time, it might be an honest mistake. Questions: 1 - What is proper way for the anchored ketch to avoid a collision. 2 - Why is there no standing lookout in a part 202.50 anchorage? 3 - Who is tending the barbaque? (instead of watching for boats drifting into the anchorage? Matt Colie Terry Spragg wrote: Beat me to it! I hate to join a choir late, but... Bill McKee wrote: "Matt Colie" wrote in message ... Wow - this is amazing. Terry, my analogy below was bad as it turns out. You might have a better chance getting the pig to sing..... Billy, could you PLEASE give us all some idea of where you might be so I can NEVER go there? Matt Colie - See Prior sig Bill McKee wrote: "next.victim" wrote in message ... Bill McKee wrote: "Matt Colie" wrote in message ... Terry, Very well said, but save your bandwidth. (Teaching a pig to sing and such.) Billy believes he was the right(maybe the requirement) to take any vessel anywhere close aboard at flank speed. He is convinced that, if a vessel has any machinery onboard, it does not qualify as a vessel undersail regardless of the situation. He has proven he is not capable of interpreting Colregs the same way as the OMI to whom I wrote the pages of my license examinations. I just wish he had said where he is so we could all avoid him. Matt Colie - See prior sigs - I'm tired of this. Terry Spragg wrote: at least it was on topic! NI! Terry K Bill McKee wrote: Was on topic, but sailboats can not turn as wanted, the rest of the world be damned. Bill McKee wrote: Throttle off, no control, turning radius about a boat length. Well, if you put it that way, it sounds like it should be right, and logically, it is exactly correct, and if you read what you wrote, you may see why it is so funny, that you bite your own tail. Sailboats can not just turn, (or not turn,) as wanted. They are overpowered by the wind all the time. The wind blows sailboats around like leaves sometimes. As a mariner, you are expected to understand that, anticipate it, and survive the hazards anyway. Overtaking vessels must keep clear, sail or power. If they cannot, they must slow down to a safe speed, even stop. Chewy beans. You are expected and required to understand sail and power, and all their constraints, or stay home. Sailboats flop about out of control from time to time, motor on or off, whenever the sails are up and the wind is alive, it is the nature of the game: 15 HP auxiliary engines, thousand HP wild winds, waves, sails, ropes, winches, flying fish, nature, etc, etc. You understand, don't you? If not, you should not be in command on the water. What you don't seem to grasp is that no one except possibly you, would purposely hit someone with a car or boat, just because they were ****ed off and somehow surmise that they are in the right, have the right of way, and therefore, have a license to kill anyone who does not stay out of your way, regardless. This attitude you seemingly cherish may well cause you to spend the latter years of your life locked in a cell being raped by real nasty *******s with really big muscles and real nasty diseases. On the evidence you provide, I would bet two cents you are prettier than you are smart. On the water, all the regulations in the world are there to settle lawsuits after damages occur, and to impress on mariners that collisions are to be avoided by any means, at all costs, regardless of the causes. The reason why should be obvious. A collision at sea can ruin your whole life. Like being bitten by a dog, it can change your attitude forever, the hard way. Don't feel too bad, even real sea captains sometimes hit other ships, and blow cities like Halifax all to hell, because they make little mistakes early on, and suddenly find they cannot avoid the other guy's similar idiocy. We are all human, right? 'Course, those arrogant guys usually end up losing their nice cushy seat at the Captain's table, and deservedly so. Some commit suicide once their role in disaster becomes obvious. These men have consciences, at least. Some of their very cushy seats disappear below the titanic icy waves as they sit in them, along with thousands of their passengers. Icebergs and the wind just don't care. It is left to us to be responsible, considerate, cautious and courteous. Some grow up earlier than others. Some never make it. Fair winds to you, and the best of luck, for all our sakes. Your skills, knowledge and attitude probably won't help you, your passengers, or locals much. Old sailors would treat you like a rock awash, if you would just keep still. Otherwise, we fear for you. Terry K Bite Me. propulsion motor on, equal power boat. A GIANT NOPE! See (c) below, Read it carefully, it was written by a maritime lawyer. Mr. McKee, I would be forced to determine that what has previously been said is completely accurate, and given this case, I would have to find a judgement against you. Please go to: http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navru...les/Rule03.htm below is exerted from the above: For the purpose of these Rules and this Chapter [Inld], except where the context otherwise requires: (a) The word "vessel" includes every description of watercraft, including non-displacement craft, WIG craft [Intl], and seaplanes, used or capable of being used as a means of transportation on water. (b) The term "power-driven vessel" means any vessel propelled by machinery. (c) The term "sailing vessel" means any vessel under sail provided that propelling machinery, if fitted, is not being used. Unquote- I find the above parts b & c to be clear and compelling. In the case of being used, the only interpretation possible for “propelling machinery” would be the case that said machinery was actually providing the driving force to propel said vessel. I my have no authority here, but I strongly recommend that you deal with your issues as you have presented yourself to be a clear and present hazzard as the operator of a vessel underpower. Name withheld by authors request And your motor is not propelling machinery? Only if it is engaged and capable of overcoming the power of the wind. So my "power boat" is not a power boat for rules when the motor is turned off and I am drifting? That's right. You become a vessel not under command, I believe. To the outside world, you could be injured, ill, asleep, or having fallen off miles before your boat ran out of gas, a pedestrian. You will be given every consideration and possibly a tow home, a coffee, and a chance to use the head, even a warm berth along with a warm blankey, even a medicinal dose of brandy, splints for your broken bones, even the "breath of life", provided the tanker can get stopped before mashing you. Unfortunately, sailboats probably do not carry enough fuel to replenish your tanks sufficiently to get you home, else you might get some of it, too. At sea, Billy, pedestrians have the absolute, inarguable right of way;-) To run over one, even in the dark, is manslaughter if he dies, even if he does make an unexpected turn in front of you. Negligent manslaughter, if you were not keeping an adequate lookout, or were running at excessive speed under the circumstances, which is almost the same as murder. The regulations govern men, not boats. Those who can manouver best have the most responsibility to avoid hazards. It makes sense, if you think about it, and if you read the rules carefully and with an open mind you will see it plain. You are right, sailing vessels cannot turn whenever they want. Nor can they always prevent turns whenever they want, thanks to the wind and other obstacles. Surely your position is not that sailors do not have the same right to enjoy the water as do power boaters? It is said among sailors that essentially we ignore power boats simply because we have no choise, being at their mercey. We sailors cannot outrun, avoid, or catch high powered boats except possibly double reefed in a steady gale where you might be puking up your guts amidst the rollers, unable to maintain any speed at all whilst struggling to survive in your fair weather speedboat. Circumstances rule boats. Men do what they can. The rest is common sense. The colregs are common sense, written by lawyers, maritime lawyers at that, and are therefore unintelligible to most mere mortal landlubbers. Don't feel bad. Furthermore, the regs have been argued by better men than us, for hundreds of years, and reflect the findings of numerous lawsuits, trials, boards of inquiry, courts martial, et al. They must be read with painful attention to the merest comma. You must realize too, that power boat regulations are somewhat junior to those governing sail, which I gather you could never understand, since you do not appreciate the realities of sail, nor probably of power for that matter. Your jet boat is a dangerous toy. You must understand that sailboats, even with their engines engaged, try as they might, may not actually be being propelled under control of the engine, but may well be in the teeth of the unco-operative wind and may be struggling with control. It is a part of sailing, like rocks awash. Even if they were after you, you could always stay out of reach, eh? Terry K |
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Bill McKee wrote:
"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message hlink.net... (b) The term "power-driven vessel" means any vessel propelled by machinery. And your motor is not propelling machinery? Try reading (b) again. And your motor is not propelling machinery? I guess a power boat like mine is not a power boat when the motor is turned off or not in gear. So you hit a drift fishing "Power boat" who has his motor off or in not in gear, who is at fault. Billy. How old are you? Is it time for school yet? When a bicycle runs into a parked car who is at fault? |
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Bill McKee wrote:
"Jim Carter" wrote in message .. . "Bill McKee" wrote in message link.net... So my "power boat" is not a power boat for rules when the motor is turned off and I am drifting? Bill, have you read the Collision Regulations and do you not understand them? Have you read the correct terminology that is fully explained in these regulations? If not, why don't you get a copy of them and read them from cover to cover so that you are better informed before you write such questions as you wrote above. Everything that you are asking is fully explained in the Collision Regulations. For example, your question that you are now asking is explained in Rule 3 General Definitions (a) Got that Bill? Jim C. Can you answer my question? Is a power boat a power boat with the engine off or in neutral? Got that Jim? Power boat, underway but not making way. |
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Matt Colie wrote:
Terry, This has been amazingly amuzing, shall we divert this here to a new case? Billy is fishing from his drifting jetski (or what ever) and a sailboat with no sails is approaching with no change in bearing. He is not worried because he can see smoke at he transom. After all he is fishing so the sailboat is the burden vessel here. What little Billy has not bothered to notice is the the line (he calls it rope) that is drifting in front of the sailboat. He is also absolutely certain that Colregs part 3.d means that he has no requirement to avoid the closing vessel. If you can only read one line at time, it might be an honest mistake. Questions: 1 - What is proper way for the anchored ketch to avoid a collision. 2 - Why is there no standing lookout in a part 202.50 anchorage? 3 - Who is tending the barbaque? (instead of watching for boats drifting into the anchorage? Matt Colie That's "barbeque", Billy. I bet we could go on and on, but well,,, (Yawn) nawwww... I would just let him get close, then spray him with gasoline from my legal fire arm garden sprayer, or give him a "backside" from the poop cannon, Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk... Terry K |
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"Gary" wrote in message news:eP8gf.551819$oW2.504551@pd7tw1no... Bill McKee wrote: "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message thlink.net... (b) The term "power-driven vessel" means any vessel propelled by machinery. And your motor is not propelling machinery? Try reading (b) again. And your motor is not propelling machinery? I guess a power boat like mine is not a power boat when the motor is turned off or not in gear. So you hit a drift fishing "Power boat" who has his motor off or in not in gear, who is at fault. Billy. How old are you? Is it time for school yet? When a bicycle runs into a parked car who is at fault? If in California the car may be at fault. ;) Let's ask the question about bikes and pedestrians. Refer to California. 1)You are driving down the street and a bike is coming down the other street and runs the stop sign and you collide. Who is at fault? 2)You are driving down the street and a bike is coming down the other street on the side walk and runs the stop sign and you collide. Who is at fault? 3) You are driving down the street and a pedestrian runs out from between 2 cars and you collide. Who is at fault? |
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"Peter Wiley" wrote in message . .. In article . net, Bill McKee wrote: "otnmbrd" wrote in message nk.net... "Bill McKee" wrote in message nk.net... And what did the civil court award to the PWC? And you figure your motor is not propelling equipment? I don't know what he figures, but unless my motor, running or not, is turning my propeller whilst sailing for the express purpose of moving my vessel, then I am a sailboat. otn Better do a little research. Bwahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaa. This from a moron operator of a PWC, to a licensed all oceans ships master and pilot? Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. I'd tell Bill to get a clue, but he couldn't manage that if it was stuck to his forehead with duct tape. PDW He is an incompetant master and pilot, and is only trying to project that he has a 100 ton license. |
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"Terry Spragg" wrote in message ... Matt Colie wrote: Terry, This has been amazingly amuzing, shall we divert this here to a new case? Billy is fishing from his drifting jetski (or what ever) and a sailboat with no sails is approaching with no change in bearing. He is not worried because he can see smoke at he transom. After all he is fishing so the sailboat is the burden vessel here. What little Billy has not bothered to notice is the the line (he calls it rope) that is drifting in front of the sailboat. He is also absolutely certain that Colregs part 3.d means that he has no requirement to avoid the closing vessel. If you can only read one line at time, it might be an honest mistake. Questions: 1 - What is proper way for the anchored ketch to avoid a collision. 2 - Why is there no standing lookout in a part 202.50 anchorage? 3 - Who is tending the barbaque? (instead of watching for boats drifting into the anchorage? Matt Colie That's "barbeque", Billy. I bet we could go on and on, but well,,, (Yawn) nawwww... I would just let him get close, then spray him with gasoline from my legal fire arm garden sprayer, or give him a "backside" from the poop cannon, Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk... Terry K http://www.spinnaker-sailing.com/les.../k_lessone.htm |
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"Terry Spragg" wrote in message ... Matt Colie wrote: Terry, This has been amazingly amuzing, shall we divert this here to a new case? Billy is fishing from his drifting jetski (or what ever) and a sailboat with no sails is approaching with no change in bearing. He is not worried because he can see smoke at he transom. After all he is fishing so the sailboat is the burden vessel here. What little Billy has not bothered to notice is the the line (he calls it rope) that is drifting in front of the sailboat. He is also absolutely certain that Colregs part 3.d means that he has no requirement to avoid the closing vessel. If you can only read one line at time, it might be an honest mistake. Questions: 1 - What is proper way for the anchored ketch to avoid a collision. 2 - Why is there no standing lookout in a part 202.50 anchorage? 3 - Who is tending the barbaque? (instead of watching for boats drifting into the anchorage? Matt Colie That's "barbeque", Billy. I bet we could go on and on, but well,,, (Yawn) nawwww... I would just let him get close, then spray him with gasoline from my legal fire arm garden sprayer, or give him a "backside" from the poop cannon, Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk... Terry K http://ist-socrates.berkeley.edu/~wp...g/StartUp.html |
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"Terry Spragg" wrote in message ... Matt Colie wrote: Terry, This has been amazingly amuzing, shall we divert this here to a new case? Billy is fishing from his drifting jetski (or what ever) and a sailboat with no sails is approaching with no change in bearing. He is not worried because he can see smoke at he transom. After all he is fishing so the sailboat is the burden vessel here. What little Billy has not bothered to notice is the the line (he calls it rope) that is drifting in front of the sailboat. He is also absolutely certain that Colregs part 3.d means that he has no requirement to avoid the closing vessel. If you can only read one line at time, it might be an honest mistake. Questions: 1 - What is proper way for the anchored ketch to avoid a collision. 2 - Why is there no standing lookout in a part 202.50 anchorage? 3 - Who is tending the barbaque? (instead of watching for boats drifting into the anchorage? Matt Colie That's "barbeque", Billy. I bet we could go on and on, but well,,, (Yawn) nawwww... I would just let him get close, then spray him with gasoline from my legal fire arm garden sprayer, or give him a "backside" from the poop cannon, Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk... Terry K http://www.kget.com/guides/outdoor/s...3-15172006E3DA |
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Bill McKee wrote:
"Gary" wrote in message news:eP8gf.551819$oW2.504551@pd7tw1no... Bill McKee wrote: "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Bill McKee" wrote in message rthlink.net... (b) The term "power-driven vessel" means any vessel propelled by machinery. And your motor is not propelling machinery? Try reading (b) again. And your motor is not propelling machinery? I guess a power boat like mine is not a power boat when the motor is turned off or not in gear. So you hit a drift fishing "Power boat" who has his motor off or in not in gear, who is at fault. Billy. How old are you? Is it time for school yet? When a bicycle runs into a parked car who is at fault? If in California the car may be at fault. ;) Let's ask the question about bikes and pedestrians. Refer to California. 1)You are driving down the street and a bike is coming down the other street and runs the stop sign and you collide. Who is at fault? 2)You are driving down the street and a bike is coming down the other street on the side walk and runs the stop sign and you collide. Who is at fault? 3) You are driving down the street and a pedestrian runs out from between 2 cars and you collide. Who is at fault? I don't know anything about California law but I know the International Regulations for Preventing Collisions at sea. You don't. |
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"Bill McKee" wrote in
news: "otnmbrd" wrote in message news: I don't know what he figures, but unless my motor, running or not, is turning my propeller whilst sailing for the express purpose of moving my vessel, then I am a sailboat. otn Better do a little research. Bwahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaa. This from a moron operator of a PWC, to a licensed all oceans ships master and pilot? Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. I'd tell Bill to get a clue, but he couldn't manage that if it was stuck to his forehead with duct tape. PDW He is an incompetant master and pilot, and is only trying to project that he has a 100 ton license. ROFLMAO otn |
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"Bill McKee" wrote Bwahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaa. This from a moron operator of a PWC, to a licensed all oceans ships master and pilot? Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. I'd tell Bill to get a clue, but he couldn't manage that if it was stuck to his forehead with duct tape. PDW He is an incompetant master and pilot, and is only trying to project that he has a 100 ton license. One can only hope that the two of you meet up someday.......on the ocean. Scotty |
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In article . net, Bill
McKee wrote: "otnmbrd" wrote in message nk.net... "Bill McKee" wrote in message nk.net... And what did the civil court award to the PWC? And you figure your motor is not propelling equipment? I don't know what he figures, but unless my motor, running or not, is turning my propeller whilst sailing for the express purpose of moving my vessel, then I am a sailboat. otn Better do a little research. Bwahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaa. This from a moron operator of a PWC, to a licensed all oceans ships master and pilot? Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. I'd tell Bill to get a clue, but he couldn't manage that if it was stuck to his forehead with duct tape. PDW |
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