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dh@. October 22nd 05 08:08 PM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 
The last time I rode my Jet Ski it gave me a problem
with overheating. The cause is that there wasn't much
of a stream of water running through it to cool it. The
stream from the outlet hole was very inconsistent, and
looked like it might be clogged by something. I ran it
up on a beach too fast the day before, and was afraid
that might cause a problem. If that's what is likely to
have done it, and there is a way of cleaning out whatever
may be causing a clog, can anyone tell me how to do it?

October 23rd 05 01:03 AM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 

dh@. wrote in message ...
The last time I rode my Jet Ski it gave me a problem
with overheating. The cause is that there wasn't much
of a stream of water running through it to cool it. The
stream from the outlet hole was very inconsistent, and
looked like it might be clogged by something. I ran it
up on a beach too fast the day before, and was afraid
that might cause a problem. If that's what is likely to
have done it, and there is a way of cleaning out whatever
may be causing a clog, can anyone tell me how to do it?


You answered your own question. You need to clean the beach sand out of the
engine cooling passages. Get a maintenance manual for that model and it will
clearly describe the cooling system. Follow the path of the cooling water
in, disconnect the hoses, flush out the crud, reassemble.



[email protected] October 23rd 05 03:38 AM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 
Yes. You need to take your jet ski to an acid dip facility and leave
it in over night. Encourage your friends to do the same.


[email protected] October 24th 05 04:21 AM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 
I'm appalled and ashamed (for you) that you would act this
way. You are the kind that gives the rest of us a bad reputation.


Oh my, I am so ashamed of myself.

Lighten up, and get thee to the dip facility also. Jet ski operators
have made their own bad reputations.


John October 24th 05 06:02 AM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 
Most of the elitist geniuses here don't know how to care for their own
boats. They're too busy wishing their wives would let them have a
jetski. The last two posts shows you the quality of advice here.
You'll have better luck at rec.sport.jetski.

John


Peter HK October 24th 05 07:08 AM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 

wrote in message
oups.com...
I'm appalled and ashamed (for you) that you would act this
way. You are the kind that gives the rest of us a bad reputation.


Oh my, I am so ashamed of myself.

Lighten up, and get thee to the dip facility also. Jet ski operators
have made their own bad reputations.


You might enjoy Michael Leunig's poem "Ode to a jet ski person"

"Jet-ski person, selfish fink

May your silly jet-ski sink.

May you hit a pile of rocks,

Oh hoonish, summer coastal pox.




Noisy smoking dickhead fool,

On your loathsome leisure tool,

Give us all a jolly lark

And sink beside a hungry shark.




Scream as in its fangs you go:

Your last attention-seeking show.

While on the beach we all join in

With "three cheers for the dorsal fin!"



Peter Wiley October 24th 05 12:24 PM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 

Try epoxy in the water intake.

In article , dh@. wrote:

The last time I rode my Jet Ski it gave me a problem
with overheating. The cause is that there wasn't much
of a stream of water running through it to cool it. The
stream from the outlet hole was very inconsistent, and
looked like it might be clogged by something. I ran it
up on a beach too fast the day before, and was afraid
that might cause a problem. If that's what is likely to
have done it, and there is a way of cleaning out whatever
may be causing a clog, can anyone tell me how to do it?


Peter Wiley October 24th 05 12:25 PM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 

I hate jet skis too.

PDW

In article , Nomen Nescio
] wrote:

"

Yes. You need to take your jet ski to an acid dip facility
and leave it in over night. Encourage your friends to do
the same.


This is hateful, childish, and just plain mean spirited.

There is NO place for this kind of behavior here, or anywhere
else that may be connected with sailing, cruising, or water
sports.

A fellow mariner asked a legitimate question, to which you
chose to respond in a snide and insulting way. Just because
you don't like his choice of vessel, you think you have the
right to be dismissive and rude. That is plain wrong.

I'm appalled and ashamed (for you) that you would act this
way. You are the kind that gives the rest of us a bad reputation.

-


Scotty October 24th 05 01:22 PM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 
''a fellow mariner'' ? Hoo hee, that's funny!

SBV


"Nomen Nescio" ] wrote
A fellow mariner asked a legitimate question, to which you
chose to respond in a snide and insulting way. Just because





[email protected] October 25th 05 12:17 AM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 
You might enjoy Michael Leunig's poem "Ode to a jet ski person"

Enjoy it, chuckle?

That is pure genius.

Thanks for sharing, perhaps it will encourage the meat head crowd to
get a mirror but I doubt it.

Three cheers for the dorsal fin indeed.

About five years ago there was an incident where the driver of a high
powered jet ski was struck in the head by a duck at about 70 mph (on a
small lake, of course). The intrepid jet skiier did not survive, but
everyone's sympathy was for the duck.


Jim October 25th 05 03:06 AM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 
This guy does not ask real questions.

Nomen Nescio wrote:

"

Yes. You need to take your jet ski to an acid dip facility
and leave it in over night. Encourage your friends to do
the same.



This is hateful, childish, and just plain mean spirited.

There is NO place for this kind of behavior here, or anywhere
else that may be connected with sailing, cruising, or water
sports.

A fellow mariner asked a legitimate question, to which you
chose to respond in a snide and insulting way. Just because
you don't like his choice of vessel, you think you have the
right to be dismissive and rude. That is plain wrong.

I'm appalled and ashamed (for you) that you would act this
way. You are the kind that gives the rest of us a bad reputation.

-



[email protected] October 26th 05 08:03 PM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 
Hoo hee yourself, I promise you that we pwc owners and enthusiasts are
every bit
as much boaters as you, probably more so.

richforman


bowgus October 26th 05 10:08 PM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 
The poster ... the guy with the hot jetski ... cross posted to inappropriate
groups ... e.g. rec.boats.building ??? and that makes the poster a bit of a
complete bozo

This is hateful, childish, and just plain mean spirited.

There is NO place for this kind of behavior here, or anywhere
else that may be connected with sailing, cruising, or water
sports.

A fellow mariner asked a legitimate question, to which you
chose to respond in a snide and insulting way. Just because
you don't like his choice of vessel, you think you have the
right to be dismissive and rude. That is plain wrong.

I'm appalled and ashamed (for you) that you would act this
way. You are the kind that gives the rest of us a bad reputation.




Scotty October 26th 05 11:12 PM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 
ROTFLMAO .......STOP.you're killing me....... hee hooo


wrote in message
ps.com...
Hoo hee yourself, I promise you that we pwc owners and

enthusiasts are
every bit
as much boaters as you, probably more so.

richforman




ladysailor October 27th 05 02:54 AM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 
I have no sympathy for the jet ski enthustiast. Too many times I've
been in a tight situation on a sail boat when these dick heads think
it's funny to ride doughnuts around us. Not to mention the times we've
been at anchor and they scream around our boat just to get a rise out
of our little dog who hates the noise they make.

I'm with the dog, I don't like the noise either!

Lady Sailor


John October 27th 05 05:59 AM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 
Not to mention the times we've
been at anchor and they scream around our boat just to get a rise out

of our little dog who hates the noise they make.


Are you really that self centered to think that other people really
give a **** about your dog's reaction? You can't be serious.


Butch Davis October 27th 05 02:44 PM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 
You miss the point, John. It's not about the dog... it's about a few (maybe
more than a few) jet ski operators who delight in harrasing a woman and her
dog. Generally the people on jet skis are kids and pretty mindless. The
high pitched noise made by some of these things probably cause the dog a lot
of pain and it reacts by barking at the things that are hurting it.

Also, you may be surprised to know that dogs and boating are a pretty nice
combination. A lot of boaters take their dogs along for the companionship
and because a lot of dogs really enjoy a boat ride and a day out with the
owner.

Speaking for myself, I like most dogs a lot more than I like most jet ski
operators. The dogs seem to be smarter and better behaved.

Butch
"John" wrote in message
oups.com...
Not to mention the times we've
been at anchor and they scream around our boat just to get a rise out

of our little dog who hates the noise they make.


Are you really that self centered to think that other people really
give a **** about your dog's reaction? You can't be serious.




ladysailor October 27th 05 03:55 PM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 
Are you really that self centered to think that other people really
give a **** about your dog's reaction? You can't be serious.


Your post is classic John. A perfect window into the mind of a jet ski
operator.

Barb
www.sailinglinks.com


frosty October 27th 05 06:24 PM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 
Butch Davis wrote:
You miss the point, John. It's not about the dog... it's about a few
(maybe more than a few) jet ski operators who delight in harrasing a
woman and her dog. Generally the people on jet skis are kids and
pretty mindless. The high pitched noise made by some of these things
probably cause the dog a lot of pain and it reacts by barking at the
things that are hurting it.
Also, you may be surprised to know that dogs and boating are a pretty
nice combination. A lot of boaters take their dogs along for the
companionship and because a lot of dogs really enjoy a boat ride and
a day out with the owner.

Speaking for myself, I like most dogs a lot more than I like most jet
ski operators. The dogs seem to be smarter and better behaved.


Speaking as a boater, with dogs, who also owns three PWC... I agree.

--
frosty



[email protected] October 27th 05 06:44 PM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 
But it's true Scotty, I don't know why I'm letting you engage me in
this stupid discussion, slow day at work I guess, but I can tell you,
I've been riding pwc's full time for eight years now and know I'm as
much of a boater as anyone else out there on the water, and so are my
many very experienced, capable pwcing friends (many of whom have bigger
boats as well)....with a lot of the same issues, responsibilities,
interests, concerns, and passions, as anybody in a bigger boat. What
I've noticed and must tell myself to keep in mind, is that I pretty
much never get this kind of obnoxious, elitist, prejudiced, smug,
superior anti-pwc attitude from any fellow boaters that I actually
encounter out on the water, on the beaches, at the docks, at boating
safety classes, etc.....only from usenet assholes......I always feel
like a welcome member of the boating community just like anybody else
on the water, except on boating newsgroups. Sure, sometimes they're
surprised to see us at different places out there, like crossing over
to Block Island from Montauk or cruising the Hudson River in our dry
suits in 50-degree temperatures this last weekend, but pretty much
always friendly and respectful.

richforman


Jonathan Ganz October 27th 05 07:18 PM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 
In article .com,
John wrote:
Not to mention the times we've
been at anchor and they scream around our boat just to get a rise out

of our little dog who hates the noise they make.


Are you really that self centered to think that other people really
give a **** about your dog's reaction? You can't be serious.


I've seen similar in this area. Some bozo on a jetski doing donuts
around a boat at anchor with a dog barking its head off. There was no
other reason for the guy doing it. I'm sure he thought it was equally
funny when the local sherrif gave him a ticket for going over the 5mph
posted speed limit.


--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com



dh@. October 27th 05 10:29 PM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 
On 26 Oct 2005 18:54:01 -0700, "ladysailor" wrote:

I have no sympathy for the jet ski enthustiast. Too many times I've
been in a tight situation on a sail boat when these dick heads think
it's funny to ride doughnuts around us. Not to mention the times we've
been at anchor and they scream around our boat just to get a rise out
of our little dog who hates the noise they make.

I'm with the dog, I don't like the noise either!

Lady Sailor


Sometimes sailboats are a pain in the ass too. I've gotten
chapped at more than one of them in my houseboat. I'm willing
to bet you've been cussed a few times yourself.

dh@. October 27th 05 10:38 PM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 
On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 03:20:03 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio ]
wrote:

"

Yes. You need to take your jet ski to an acid dip facility
and leave it in over night. Encourage your friends to do
the same.


This is hateful, childish, and just plain mean spirited.

There is NO place for this kind of behavior here, or anywhere
else that may be connected with sailing, cruising, or water
sports.

A fellow mariner asked a legitimate question, to which you
chose to respond in a snide and insulting way. Just because
you don't like his choice of vessel, you think you have the
right to be dismissive and rude. That is plain wrong.

I'm appalled and ashamed (for you) that you would act this
way. You are the kind that gives the rest of us a bad reputation.


A person doesn't need an open mind to participate in ngs.
I have a Jet Ski. And a houseboat. And a runabout. And
4 kayaks. They all have their different uses...their good and
bad points. I've gotten ****ed of at a lot of pwc riders. And
at houseboats, cruisers for sure, sailboats, and certainly at
runabouts. They all can be fun, or dangerous. Their operators
can be courteous or inconsiderate. People who just hate
pwcs don't seem like the type who would be thoughtful or
considerate, regardless of what type boat they're operating.

dh@. October 27th 05 10:41 PM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 
On 23 Oct 2005 22:02:49 -0700, "John" wrote:

Most of the elitist geniuses here don't know how to care for their own
boats. They're too busy wishing their wives would let them have a
jetski. The last two posts shows you the quality of advice here.
You'll have better luck at rec.sport.jetski.

John


Thanks.

ladysailor October 28th 05 12:07 AM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 
No d, I can't say that we've ever been cussed at. But then, we don't
go out of our way to **** people off by buzzing around them, cutting
them off and racing through marina's causing large wakes.

Barb
www.sailinglinks.com


Scotty October 28th 05 01:25 AM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 
Ok, I'll admit about 90% of the jet skiers I see are no problem.
I even wave to some of them. It's that other 10% that zip around
anchorage's and run in circles and ride boat wakes and generally
are just so damn annoying that it's easy to just want to
eliminate the whole bunch. but then, that wouldn't be fair,now,
would it?

SV



wrote in message
oups.com...
But it's true Scotty, I don't know why I'm letting you engage

me in
this stupid discussion, slow day at work I guess, but I can

tell you,
I've been riding pwc's full time for eight years now and know

I'm as
much of a boater as anyone else out there on the water, and so

are my
many very experienced, capable pwcing friends (many of whom

have bigger
boats as well)....with a lot of the same issues,

responsibilities,
interests, concerns, and passions, as anybody in a bigger boat.

What
I've noticed and must tell myself to keep in mind, is that I

pretty
much never get this kind of obnoxious, elitist, prejudiced,

smug,
superior anti-pwc attitude from any fellow boaters that I

actually
encounter out on the water, on the beaches, at the docks, at

boating
safety classes, etc.....only from usenet assholes......I always

feel
like a welcome member of the boating community just like

anybody else
on the water, except on boating newsgroups. Sure, sometimes

they're
surprised to see us at different places out there, like

crossing over
to Block Island from Montauk or cruising the Hudson River in

our dry
suits in 50-degree temperatures this last weekend, but pretty

much
always friendly and respectful.

richforman




[email protected] October 28th 05 04:19 PM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 
On behalf of the pwc community, let me say that obviously anyone who
does those things
is idiotic, irresponsible and probably a newbie or a kid. But no one I
ride with, and I ride with lots
of fellow pwc touring/cruising enthusiasts, would do anything like that
once they have maybe a
season's experience under their belt to figure out what's going on (We
usually learn our lessons early on by getting
ticketed by the marine law-enforcement agents who usually seem to
perform more enforcement with pwc's than with
other boats acting just as stupidly and dangerously....and actually
it's good because after you've been
pulled over or ticketed once or twice for a no wake zone or not having
the required safety equipment on board, you learn
the rules pretty fast!....'Course when I started riding eight years
ago, that was before they had the mandatory
education/certification requirement that NYS now has for all pwc
operators, so I would guess that newbies are
more educated and prepared from the get-go now....I know accident and
injury statistics have gone down). Anyway, it is unfair stereotyping
to try to paint the entire pwc world as exhibiting that kind of
behavior. I guarantee you if you saw me or any of my riding friends on
the water you wouldn't see anything like the kind of behavior you
mention.

richforman


ladysailor October 28th 05 05:25 PM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 
You make some good points Rich. To be fair I should mention that we
left the US three years ago and have been sailing the Western Coast of
Mexico since. Here the rules and policing of pwc's is far different,
read non existent. It's good to know that things are shaping up
north of us should we ever sail the US again.

Barb
www.sailinglinks.com


Terry Spragg October 28th 05 06:30 PM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 
ladysailor wrote:

Some Bud Yelse wrote:
I ran over gravel in my seadoo. How can I unstick my impellor?

Some Co-Troller Yelse wrote:
Flush it with gas, use zippo to see inside if it's unclogged.
..
..(Paraphrased) Other insults redacted -TK
..
A real Seadoo Bunny wrote:
No d, I can't say that we've ever been cussed at. But then, we don't
go out of our way to **** people off by buzzing around them, cutting
them off and racing through marina's causing large wakes.

Barb
www.sailinglinks.com


You can jump my wake, if chasing sailors is your crush.

Once or twice, anyway. Maybe I could give you a tow, if you want to
come aboard for a coffee.

One of my best feelings was when we towed under sail a family of 5
in a small speedboat at near hull speed. As it happened, they were
flooded, not out of gas. After half an hour of coaching, the
skipper began to understand starting a hot engine with a manual
choke. Who said sailors don't need to be gearheads? At least they
were all wearing lifejackets. Foreigners, visiting a wedding. A
rented motorboat excursion thrill, worried grandma and all. They got
to the wedding on time.

Didj'a ever climb the rigging from from one boat to another? I have
a ladder on my transom that can be used for docking my dinghy. It
makes it easy to get back and forth, even under way, with hand
lines. Pulling a rope on a seadoo bow shouldn't be any more
difficult than pulling my old dinghy close up behind, even at
sailing speed.

Could you climb from your cockpit to the bow of your sea scooter if
it was tied to my stern ladder articulation whilst under sail?

Would a flooded flexy framed inflatable sailcloth bumkin shape make
a seadoo easier to tow at sailing speed? What a plan for a fast
dinghy! An inflatable "trailer" for a seadoo might make it a winner
as a sailor's second boat. Fun? It could also tow, even push a
becalmed pure sailboat back to it's mooring.

Strangely, it seems the most expensive part of a sailboat is an
engine. Why can not an engine for a sail boat cost less than for an
obnoxius sounding wave jumper?

Perhaps an inflatable sailboat with a built in dock for a seadoo, al
la Captain Nemo's submarine dinghy?

How about a submersible swath effect sailboat with no need for a
weighty keel? A seperate steerable tip on a keel should enable a
hydrodynamic steerable keel effect, keeping the keel erect in the
water even under press of sail. Would the hydrodynamic drag be less
than that of a heavy weight keel supporting hull? Why could not a
submarine be towed by a kite hooked to it's periscope?

Add a n inflatable trampoline and a picknic basket and you have a
floating airbed mattress and tent you could portage, except for the
heavy engine. No mast, even. Maybe 10 HP would do?

The reason sailing is getting so expensive is a marketing ploy to
pare down the number of adventurous people on the water, while
extracting the most money from the rich aspiring boat snobs. They
would pose less of a crowd control problem if their propellors did
not hurt manatees.

You could even have a bicycle based excercise machine to recharge
the Hall effect brake regenerator rotor motor batteries for the 3 hp
impellor, if the inflatable solar cells weren't getting enough sun,
and there wasn't enough wind to sail, and if you couldn't afford or
find gas or diesel. Or, you could pay to join an excercise club?

How much power do you really need to tow a skiier, even as slowly as
possible?

Don't I remember a ski tow drone with remote control tow cables
being in the news 20 years ago with a 20 horse motor? Remember the
pogo foil water scooter? They have international races, now, like a
scooter steeplchase.

Is this an overheating thread?

Reverse flush your impellor! turn it a little in reverse by hand.
Take the spark plugs out to make it easy to turn. Get a firefighting
hose fixture on the outlet of your seadoo, volunteer as a helicopter
smoke jumper into a lake or river near a forest fire or village in
need of water. Anchor just offshore to fight the fire and tie the
boatette to a tree. Tow a Zeanon water filter in a flexy bag.

No, I'm not the Terry Spragg who invented the water bag for towing
glaciers to Saudi Arabia. Somebody called me once, looking for him.

Your free sample of ideas from -SofDevCo- © "Brains for rent."

Job opportuniy: Need freelance marketing executive, or government
grant for feasability study. Undetectable kickbacks not guaranteed.
-You could be our first customer.

College research theses entertained. Non-disclosure agreement required.

Terry K




Terry Spragg October 28th 05 09:12 PM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 
wrote:

On behalf of the pwc community, let me say that obviously anyone who
does those things
is idiotic, irresponsible and probably a newbie or a kid. But no one I
ride with, and I ride with lots
of fellow pwc touring/cruising enthusiasts, would do anything like that
once they have maybe a
season's experience under their belt to figure out what's going on (We
usually learn our lessons early on by getting
ticketed by the marine law-enforcement agents who usually seem to
perform more enforcement with pwc's than with
other boats acting just as stupidly and dangerously....and actually
it's good because after you've been
pulled over or ticketed once or twice for a no wake zone or not having
the required safety equipment on board, you learn
the rules pretty fast!....'Course when I started riding eight years
ago, that was before they had the mandatory
education/certification requirement that NYS now has for all pwc
operators, so I would guess that newbies are
more educated and prepared from the get-go now....I know accident and
injury statistics have gone down). Anyway, it is unfair stereotyping
to try to paint the entire pwc world as exhibiting that kind of
behavior. I guarantee you if you saw me or any of my riding friends on
the water you wouldn't see anything like the kind of behavior you
mention.

richforman


I second that emotion.

Most PWCers I see seem intent on getting to their favorite fishing
spot, and then home in time to cook their catch for supper. No
bother, really.

It's usually the kids... Wannabe hells rangers waterbikers, it seems.

Terry K


The_Giz October 30th 05 01:08 AM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 
I'm absolutely convinced that about 10% of every boating "class" is idiots
and fools. That includes fishermen, yachtsmen, cruisers, skiboats, rec
boats, pontoons, and almost anything else that you can think of.

Don't believe me? Spend a couple of hours at your local ramp and just watch
the selfish, assinine, arrogant, ignorant insanity displayed by the diverse
cross-section of enthusiasts. It's amazing.

I've lived on a lake for many, many years and there's no protected class of
(non-professinal, civilian) "smart boaters".

Giz


"Scotty" wrote in message
...
Ok, I'll admit about 90% of the jet skiers I see are no problem.
I even wave to some of them. It's that other 10% that zip around
anchorage's and run in circles and ride boat wakes and generally
are just so damn annoying that it's easy to just want to
eliminate the whole bunch. but then, that wouldn't be fair,now,
would it?

SV



wrote in message
oups.com...
But it's true Scotty, I don't know why I'm letting you engage

me in
this stupid discussion, slow day at work I guess, but I can

tell you,
I've been riding pwc's full time for eight years now and know

I'm as
much of a boater as anyone else out there on the water, and so

are my
many very experienced, capable pwcing friends (many of whom

have bigger
boats as well)....with a lot of the same issues,

responsibilities,
interests, concerns, and passions, as anybody in a bigger boat.

What
I've noticed and must tell myself to keep in mind, is that I

pretty
much never get this kind of obnoxious, elitist, prejudiced,

smug,
superior anti-pwc attitude from any fellow boaters that I

actually
encounter out on the water, on the beaches, at the docks, at

boating
safety classes, etc.....only from usenet assholes......I always

feel
like a welcome member of the boating community just like

anybody else
on the water, except on boating newsgroups. Sure, sometimes

they're
surprised to see us at different places out there, like

crossing over
to Block Island from Montauk or cruising the Hudson River in

our dry
suits in 50-degree temperatures this last weekend, but pretty

much
always friendly and respectful.

richforman






The_Giz October 30th 05 01:14 AM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 
"I have no sympathy for the jet ski enthustiast."

And I have no sympathy for you or your dog.

If the PWC'ers are violating the local laws or ordinances then they are
criminals and should be dealt with. We don't hate cars and drivers because
some people use them illegally.

If they are following the letter of the law and you just "don't like the
noise"... then the problem is with YOU. Unless you own your own lake,
you're not guaranteed "quiet and solitude".

It should probably also be noted that the new generation of PWC's are
amazingly quiet... usually quieter than any other powered "boat" out there.

Giz



"ladysailor" wrote in message
ups.com...
I have no sympathy for the jet ski enthustiast. Too many times I've
been in a tight situation on a sail boat when these dick heads think
it's funny to ride doughnuts around us. Not to mention the times we've
been at anchor and they scream around our boat just to get a rise out
of our little dog who hates the noise they make.

I'm with the dog, I don't like the noise either!

Lady Sailor




Capt. JG October 30th 05 02:15 AM

Jet Ski overheating problem
 
"The_Giz" wrote in message
...
"I have no sympathy for the jet ski enthustiast."

And I have no sympathy for you or your dog.

If the PWC'ers are violating the local laws or ordinances then they are
criminals and should be dealt with. We don't hate cars and drivers
because some people use them illegally.


Well, some of us do, but on general principles.

If they are following the letter of the law and you just "don't like the
noise"... then the problem is with YOU. Unless you own your own lake,
you're not guaranteed "quiet and solitude".


There is a presumption of quiet enjoyment in most anchorages. And, what
happened to the spirit of the law, rather than just the letter of the law?
The point is that being a good neighbor has more to do with the former than
the latter.

It should probably also be noted that the new generation of PWC's are
amazingly quiet... usually quieter than any other powered "boat" out
there.


I guess I don't get out enough. I have yet to run over, I mean run into, I
mean see/hear one of these.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com




Skip Gundlach October 30th 05 10:04 AM

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Capt. JG wrote:


I guess I don't get out enough. I have yet to run over, I mean run into, I
mean see/hear one of these.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com


Hi, Jon,

Yes, it's true. I just sold my lake home near Atlanta, on the way out
the door, so to speak, to cutting the cord.

The last few days I was there, after spending most of the summer and
prior two seasons working on the Flying Pig, thus not having a chance
to see it, either, I saw several of the new breed of jetskis (well,
technically, PWC - I can't speak to what actual Jetskis are like).

Much to my surprise, I could scarcely hear them. They made every bit
as much wake at slow speed, and were every bit as zippy at high speed,
as the PWC they looked like, but - while I could tell it was running -
it sounded a bit like a high quality I/O with a better than usual
muffling job.

It reminded me much more of a car than a boat noise...

FWIW, on Lanier, where I used to live, we have gotten a bit more of the
new breed rider than the old of late, which is refreshing to think
about. Even though I'm not going to be on that lake again, most
likely, ever, it's encouraging to see the evolution.

And, in my runabout, if I see a jumper, I enjoy(ed) giving them a
suitable wake, in an appropriate area. Some of them are definitely
balletic. OTOH, the only two boats I have left which can do that are
for sale and won't go "on the boat" with us, so I suspect I'll have to
enjoy others' provisions, if there are any, in our cruising grounds
:{))

L8R

Skip, recovering from nasal and sinus surgery on the way to active
shoulder rehab so I can get back to final refit and cut the cord

Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig
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"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you
didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails.
Explore.
Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain


[email protected] October 30th 05 03:23 PM

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Scotty wrote:
Ok, I'll admit about 90% of the jet skiers I see are no problem.
I even wave to some of them. It's that other 10% that zip around
anchorage's and run in circles and ride boat wakes and generally
are just so damn annoying that it's easy to just want to
eliminate the whole bunch. but then, that wouldn't be fair,now,
would it?

SV



Probably about comparable to the corresponding percentage for
recreational boaters in general, wouln't you agree? Thanks Scotty.
Oh and thanks on behalf of all of us for those friendly waves...

richforman


wrote in message
oups.com...
But it's true Scotty, I don't know why I'm letting you engage

me in
this stupid discussion, slow day at work I guess, but I can

tell you,
I've been riding pwc's full time for eight years now and know

I'm as
much of a boater as anyone else out there on the water, and so

are my
many very experienced, capable pwcing friends (many of whom

have bigger
boats as well)....with a lot of the same issues,

responsibilities,
interests, concerns, and passions, as anybody in a bigger boat.

What
I've noticed and must tell myself to keep in mind, is that I

pretty
much never get this kind of obnoxious, elitist, prejudiced,

smug,
superior anti-pwc attitude from any fellow boaters that I

actually
encounter out on the water, on the beaches, at the docks, at

boating
safety classes, etc.....only from usenet assholes......I always

feel
like a welcome member of the boating community just like

anybody else
on the water, except on boating newsgroups. Sure, sometimes

they're
surprised to see us at different places out there, like

crossing over
to Block Island from Montauk or cruising the Hudson River in

our dry
suits in 50-degree temperatures this last weekend, but pretty

much
always friendly and respectful.

richforman



John October 30th 05 07:25 PM

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I'm guessing what you saw was what is becoming typical in PWC's - four
cycle engines. Was it Lake Tahoe that was 4 cycle engines only?
You also made a good point. Why is boat owners act like they own their
wake. Your wake and the jetskiers who jump them are behind you. The
only piece of water you own is the one your boat is on at the time and
the water in your right away. Are boaters really worried that a jetski
is going to hit them even though the jetski is waiting for the wake,
and are traveling perpendicular to your boat's path..behind you!

Giz, I totally agree with you. If jetskiers do anything illegal they
deserve an expensive ticket. And, if you want a lake that you can
dictate who boats and who doesn't, buy the lake.

JG, please feel free to point out where in the law there is a
"presumption of quiet enjoyment" ? If a sailboater finds your inboard
too noisey, then would you stop boating. Consider to your own reasoning
before you answer. I don't care how quiet your boat is, it's stil
noise. You advertised your ignorance well when you said: "I have yet
to run over, mean run into, I mean see/hear one of these."

John


Mark November 2nd 05 09:24 AM

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"ladysailor" wrote in message
ups.com...
I have no sympathy for the jet ski enthustiast. Too many times I've
been in a tight situation on a sail boat when these dick heads think
Lady Sailor


Nah, Your no lady.



ladysailor November 2nd 05 05:41 PM

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You're right, I take off my hat and gloves when I'm being harassed by
obnoxious morons and turn straight away into a ****ed off sailor.


Bill McKee November 2nd 05 08:19 PM

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"ladysailor" wrote in message
ups.com...
You're right, I take off my hat and gloves when I'm being harassed by
obnoxious morons and turn straight away into a ****ed off sailor.


Probably like a lot if sailors, you turn when ever you want, and then yell
at a power boat for impeding you.



DSK November 2nd 05 08:36 PM

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Bill McKee wrote:
Probably like a lot if sailors, you turn when ever you want, and then yell
at a power boat for impeding you.


Probably like a lot of motorboaters, you have no clue what's involved in
sailing, and think that all boats can be driven like a car.

DSK



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