I loaded a copy of MS Project onto my computer, input some tasks for a
small boatbuilding project, captured some screen images, and put them in
files on my website as an illustration of what a project managment program
does. The files show the list of tasks and the critical path network
diagram as they would appear on the screen. If anyone would like to take a
look go to my website (address below) and click on Boats, Boatbuilding,
Project Planning.

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William R. Watt wrote:
I loaded a copy of MS Project onto my computer, input some tasks for a
small boatbuilding project, captured some screen images, and put them in
files on my website as an illustration of what a project managment program
does. The files show the list of tasks and the critical path network
diagram as they would appear on the screen. If anyone would like to take a
look go to my website (address below) and click on Boats, Boatbuilding,
Project Planning.

I did the same thing before starting Rutu. Scared the hell out of me.
Fortunately, the schedule part had little to do with reality but the
critical path analysis has helped keep me on track.

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Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

I find that i'm messed up not by the interrelation between tasks, nor by
working around long-lead procurement, but by what project analysts call
'resource ;loading', meaning that all the tasks depend on one resource, ME. In
truth, all the tasks with ME in 'em could be critical path if i don't get to
'em.
I don't need PM tools, just more competent help.

Glenn Ashmore wrote:

William R. Watt wrote:
I loaded a copy of MS Project onto my computer, input some tasks for a
small boatbuilding project, captured some screen images, and put them in
files on my website as an illustration of what a project managment program
does. The files show the list of tasks and the critical path network
diagram as they would appear on the screen. If anyone would like to take a
look go to my website (address below) and click on Boats, Boatbuilding,
Project Planning.

I did the same thing before starting Rutu. Scared the hell out of me.
Fortunately, the schedule part had little to do with reality but the
critical path analysis has helped keep me on track.

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

the hardest part to deal with in these programs is the work day. they
usually assume an 8 hour day. with sophisticated programs you can tailor
the costs (overtime rates, holidays, etc) and schedule to the labour union
contracts. but then you plan for everyone working a 40 hour week and they
end up working 60 hour weeks. throws the plan off.

for a one person project its better just to calculate the total amount of
hours and forget the scheduling part of the program. I got MS Project to
do it by using hours as the time unit and setting the work day to 24
hours. the program is designed to display a wall calendar with the tasks
on it, and a bar chart of the tasks laid over a date grid which is almost
the same thing. I couldn't get them to display properly with my time
units. maybe if I spent more time trying things. there are actually very
simple "shareware" programs written by students and amateur computer
programmers which are better for one-man projects. they even run on old DOS
computers without colour graphics.

Its the exercise of dividing the work up into separate tasks, estimating
how long they should take, and figuring out what order they have to be
done in that helps the most. that's why I only put screen shots of the
task list and paths (critical path diagram) on my website. that
information would be helpful included in boat plans people sell. The part
about assigning people to each task and laying the project out on a
calendar aren't very relevant for the amateur boatbuilder. Planners do
that on big boatbulding projects like submarines and cruise liners. They
update the data as the project progresses and compare the work to the
plan. That saves them a lot of time and money.


Jim Conlin ) writes:
I find that i'm messed up not by the interrelation between tasks, nor by
working around long-lead procurement, but by what project analysts call
'resource ;loading', meaning that all the tasks depend on one resource, ME. In
truth, all the tasks with ME in 'em could be critical path if i don't get to
'em.
I don't need PM tools, just more competent help.

"The Mythical Man Month" described how, on the IBM OS/360 opertating system
project in the 1960's, adding more people made the project take longer and
cost more.


Glenn Ashmore wrote:

William R. Watt wrote:
I loaded a copy of MS Project onto my computer, input some tasks for a
small boatbuilding project, captured some screen images, and put them in
files on my website as an illustration of what a project managment program
does. The files show the list of tasks and the critical path network
diagram as they would appear on the screen. If anyone would like to take a
look go to my website (address below) and click on Boats, Boatbuilding,
Project Planning.

I did the same thing before starting Rutu. Scared the hell out of me.
Fortunately, the schedule part had little to do with reality but the
critical path analysis has helped keep me on track.

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com



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MS Project lives on my PCs at work. If I ever found a copy on my home PC I'd
yell a critical path of 4 letter words and toss the whole fricken thing out
into the snow :-). MyPlan ... February - get beer, get books, drink beer and
learn how to build a boat (planning), March - get Scotch, drink Scotch and
approve the project (approval), April - get a pencil and paper and do up the
requirements, functional spec, high level design, low level design, design,
blah blah blah (design), May - go get all stuff, June - build boat
(development), April - do the alpha (solo), beta (c'mon guys, look ... it
floats) testing, June- fire up the bbq, hold the lessons learned get
to-gether.


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I loaded a copy of MS Project onto my computer, input some tasks for a
small boatbuilding project, captured some screen images, and put them in
files on my website as an illustration of what a project managment program
does. The files show the list of tasks and the critical path network
diagram as they would appear on the screen. If anyone would like to take a
look go to my website (address below) and click on Boats, Boatbuilding,
Project Planning.

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This is an interesting approach to the organizing of tasks involved in
building a small boat. If efficiency is the main goal this approach
might prove useful in a purely practical or economic sense.

As a criticism though, I would suggest that the process considers tasks
only on a two dimensional overlapping linear configuration that fails to
take into consideration things like instinct, experience, enjoyment, and
emotion. This third dimension is always present but is difficult to
quantify. Yet it is a key component of the success of any project.

It might be possible to overlay this third dimension onto each task to
get a better picture of the real aspects of the tasks at hand and then
try to interpret how each task relates to another and the project as a
whole. For instance, quantifying a satisfaction quotient for each task
and then determining a human motivational factor for the task might
better represent the reality of performing the task and allow for
planning that reflects the human side of the equation rather than the
purely numerical one.

Failure to factor in these types of influences is the main weak point of
modern industrial time motion analyses, in my opinion.
STeveJ


William R. Watt wrote:
I loaded a copy of MS Project onto my computer, input some tasks for a
small boatbuilding project, captured some screen images, and put them in
files on my website as an illustration of what a project managment program
does. The files show the list of tasks and the critical path network
diagram as they would appear on the screen. If anyone would like to take a
look go to my website (address below) and click on Boats, Boatbuilding,
Project Planning.

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steveJ ) writes:

As a criticism though, I would suggest that the process considers tasks
only on a two dimensional overlapping linear configuration that fails to
take into consideration things like instinct, experience, enjoyment, and
emotion. This third dimension is always present but is difficult to
quantify. Yet it is a key component of the success of any project.

the programs don't even record monetary benefits, only costs, let alone
emotional benefits which are difficult to put a price on, or emotional
costs which can have monetary repurcusions, eg how much does the wife get
in the divorce? you could get creative and put in various emotional
restrictions as milestones (fixed dates) and resource limitations.
experience would show up in the estimates for task durations.

you might try putting benefits in as negative costs. In the early 90's I
wrote a prototype project management program (as an exercise in learning
object oriented programming) which had a layered task structure, included
benefits, and also interest on borrowed money to better plan and monitor
projects. It was just to try out some ideas. I never put a user interface
on it.

the available programs are pretty good for making up a list of tasks and
arranging them in order though. for the amateur builder with little
experience the exercise can provide insight and a pretty good plan. for
the designer selling boat plans to amateurs I think a project plan would
be a helpful thing to include as part of the boatbuilding plan.

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Ranting aside (one full day at the end of each month is spent reconciling on
average 6 plans to which I add my tasks), I have always enjoyed coming up
with the plan. For example, how's this for torture, after reading up on
Gantt a few years back :-) I used a VAX text editor to create a plan, and
track progress through the good old histogram approach as in ...

Task1 (xxxxx)
Task2 (xxxxx)

Ok ... so, I recommend if you have MS Project, and you're like to give it a
try for scheduling something, hit the old F1 Help, and work your way through
the tutorial ... and when you're done, imo, you will have the big picture,
and by doing so, have found tasks you might well have not thought of ...
measure twice, cut once.

Ok, so on with the program ,,,

struct Boat {float well_duh; long about_32_ft; .... };






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steveJ ) writes:

As a criticism though, I would suggest that the process considers tasks
only on a two dimensional overlapping linear configuration that fails to
take into consideration things like instinct, experience, enjoyment, and
emotion. This third dimension is always present but is difficult to
quantify. Yet it is a key component of the success of any project.

the programs don't even record monetary benefits, only costs, let alone
emotional benefits which are difficult to put a price on, or emotional
costs which can have monetary repurcusions, eg how much does the wife get
in the divorce? you could get creative and put in various emotional
restrictions as milestones (fixed dates) and resource limitations.
experience would show up in the estimates for task durations.

you might try putting benefits in as negative costs. In the early 90's I
wrote a prototype project management program (as an exercise in learning
object oriented programming) which had a layered task structure, included

benefits, and also interest on borrowed money to better plan and monitor
projects. It was just to try out some ideas. I never put a user interface
on it.

the available programs are pretty good for making up a list of tasks and
arranging them in order though. for the amateur builder with little
experience the exercise can provide insight and a pretty good plan. for
the designer selling boat plans to amateurs I think a project plan would
be a helpful thing to include as part of the boatbuilding plan.

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I wasn't so much thinking of those things as "benefits" as much as
FACTORS that will effect the task performance in a way that will effect
time, quality and value. One could perhaps ask the question..what
sequence of construction will be the MOST FUN to perform?...or...what
combination of tasks will be least boring to concentrate on. For
instance, would it be better to break up a long tedious process like
sanding into smaller chunks interspersed with other more interesting
tasks? Would the final project turn out higher quality or be completed
more quickly...or completed at all!
I agree that the program could be useful as an organizational tool for
writing sequential instructions.

William R. Watt wrote:
steveJ ) writes:


As a criticism though, I would suggest that the process considers tasks
only on a two dimensional overlapping linear configuration that fails to
take into consideration things like instinct, experience, enjoyment, and
emotion. This third dimension is always present but is difficult to
quantify. Yet it is a key component of the success of any project.


the programs don't even record monetary benefits, only costs, let alone
emotional benefits which are difficult to put a price on, or emotional
costs which can have monetary repurcusions, eg how much does the wife get
in the divorce? you could get creative and put in various emotional
restrictions as milestones (fixed dates) and resource limitations.
experience would show up in the estimates for task durations.

you might try putting benefits in as negative costs. In the early 90's I
wrote a prototype project management program (as an exercise in learning
object oriented programming) which had a layered task structure, included
benefits, and also interest on borrowed money to better plan and monitor
projects. It was just to try out some ideas. I never put a user interface
on it.

the available programs are pretty good for making up a list of tasks and
arranging them in order though. for the amateur builder with little
experience the exercise can provide insight and a pretty good plan. for
the designer selling boat plans to amateurs I think a project plan would
be a helpful thing to include as part of the boatbuilding plan.

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